I mean there's top and bottom roles people develop on their own as well. It's honestly a really normal thing. I think saying it models het society is wrong?

Some people are more comfortable letting the other take charge in the bedroom. Some people are more comfortable taking charge. It can be a kink/bdsm thing or whatever but it isn't necessarily. A lot of time when people say a character is a top or a bottom, they're looking at other aspects of the character's personality and thinking about how those would influence the bedroom dynamic.

Don't worry, they've read more yuri than you.

I can taste the salt. I should probably put it in the pile created by LoL, Overwatch and CS GO players.

???

The thing about generic hentai was uncalled for

?????? Is this that "I'm not angry, you're angry" thing?

Weren't you warned about trolling before as well?

Here is the definition of trolling. I thought you might need it, since you kinda got it wrong. As long as it does not piss you off, then it is not trolling. "?????? Is this that "I'm not angry, you're angry" thing?" If you're not angry, then I am not trolling. And anger is a subjective emotion which manifests from different things on different people. It was just a remark, as for some reason you got salty at me pointing out your joke XD.

Trolling: The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

I feel like this is an example of the "Communication Range". Look it up

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Nevri posted:

I don't. One of reasons I like yuri to begin with is that there are no set roles in bed.

This.

The whole topic reminded me of 2 great stories that comment on the whole prince thing:
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/sweet_melancholy#4
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/yuri_yuri_elegy_syndrome_ch04#1

Nevri posted:

I don't. One of reasons I like yuri to begin with is that there are no set roles in bed.

This.

x 2

The whole topic reminded me of 2 great stories that comment on the whole prince thing:
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/sweet_melancholy#4
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/yuri_yuri_elegy_syndrome_ch04#1

Also https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/the_crybaby_prince

Nevri posted:

I don't. One of reasons I like yuri to begin with is that there are no set roles in bed.

This.

x 2

Morishima agrees
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/hanjuku_joshi_ch04#13
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/slave_to_love#11

Don't worry, they've read more yuri than you.

I can taste the salt. I should probably put it in the pile created by LoL, Overwatch and CS GO players.

???

The thing about generic hentai was uncalled for

?????? Is this that "I'm not angry, you're angry" thing?

Weren't you warned about trolling before as well?

Here is the definition of trolling. I thought you might need it, since you kinda got it wrong. As long as it does not piss you off, then it is not trolling. "?????? Is this that "I'm not angry, you're angry" thing?" If you're not angry, then I am not trolling. And anger is a subjective emotion which manifests from different things on different people. It was just a remark, as for some reason you got salty at me pointing out your joke XD.

Trolling: The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

I feel like this is an example of the "Communication Range". Look it up

148 words. "Not mad." This is the internet, the default emotion is mad. I didn't make a joke either, you read too much generic hentai.

At this point we've both been fucking around since the beginning, I think. Let's get a room already and fuck 'til tax day.

But I gotta make this on topic though...quick, who's your favorite neko, tachi, and neko/tachi pairing in that order?

My answer to all three is https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/misuzu_and_hina

Oh, come on you two. We haven't got the budget for a steel cage match, and it's just not the same in a regular ring.

Oh, come on you two. We haven't got the budget for a steel cage match, and it's just not the same in a regular ring.

Can't we just arrange the room with a mattress?

Don't worry, they've read more yuri than you.

I can taste the salt. I should probably put it in the pile created by LoL, Overwatch and CS GO players.

???

The thing about generic hentai was uncalled for

?????? Is this that "I'm not angry, you're angry" thing?

Weren't you warned about trolling before as well?

Here is the definition of trolling. I thought you might need it, since you kinda got it wrong. As long as it does not piss you off, then it is not trolling. "?????? Is this that "I'm not angry, you're angry" thing?" If you're not angry, then I am not trolling. And anger is a subjective emotion which manifests from different things on different people. It was just a remark, as for some reason you got salty at me pointing out your joke XD.

Trolling: The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off, usually via the internet, using dialogue. Trolling does not mean just making rude remarks: Shouting swear words at someone doesn't count as trolling; it's just flaming, and isn't funny. Spam isn't trolling either; it pisses people off, but it's lame.

I feel like this is an example of the "Communication Range". Look it up

148 words. "Not mad." This is the internet, the default emotion is mad. I didn't make a joke either, you read too much generic hentai.

At this point we've both been fucking around since the beginning, I think. Let's get a room already and fuck 'til tax day.

But I gotta make this on topic though...quick, who's your favorite neko, tachi, and neko/tachi pairing in that order?

My answer to all three is https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/misuzu_and_hina

hmmmm. Would have to say tachi-tachi, neko-neko and neko-tachi. Favorite from left to right. And I would have been full on with the hate-fuck, but then you pulled a leng with that Misuzu and Hina link.

https://nekosreview.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/4370226261_b7bf2ec48a_b.jpg

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Oh, come on you two. We haven't got the budget for a steel cage match, and it's just not the same in a regular ring.

Can't we just arrange the room with a mattress?

Profile pic matches XDDD

That said, in real life there are people who prefer to be on the top or bottom on a regular basis.

I think that's a good point. These dynamics didn't materialize out of thin air, they did come from actual people's preferences and are ground in some kind of reality. Although most manga reinforces these roles more rigidly.
But I do acknowledge that yeah, some authors know fuckall about actual wlw and just default to top/bottom roles because that's all they really know.

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Oh, come on you two. We haven't got the budget for a steel cage match, and it's just not the same in a regular ring.

Can't we just arrange the room with a mattress?

Profile pic matches XDDD

I'd let you cut off my arms and legs and have fun with the stumps for the entertainment of others any day, babe ;)

Or the other way around... I'm flexible with the roles, and judging by the topic it's exactly what you're into~

(This shit is getting silly. Being trapped in a hotel room for two weeks has made me go insane or something. I'm out, haha)

(This shit is getting silly. Being trapped in a hotel room for two weeks has made me go insane or something. I'm out, haha)

Be safe, Arc!

Oh, come on you two. We haven't got the budget for a steel cage match, and it's just not the same in a regular ring.

Can't we just arrange the room with a mattress?

Profile pic matches XDDD

I'd let you cut off my arms and legs and have fun with the stumps for the entertainment of others any day, babe ;)

Or the other way around... I'm flexible with the roles, and judging by the topic it's exactly what you're into~

(This shit is getting silly. Being trapped in a hotel room for two weeks has made me go insane or something. I'm out, haha)

I'd rather play with you if you had all limbs intact, but maybe I'm just crazy. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
You have piqued my interest, why is it that you are stuck in a hotel room? Offshore work?

Out of state training on ATMs. Getting myself ready for you by losing a few limbs in the machinery.

Last day, and then I'll be stuck in an arcade for the weekend. Wonder if I'll be neko or tachi in my mahjong games...

Out of state training on ATMs. Getting myself ready for you by losing a few limbs in the machinery.

Last day, and then I'll be stuck in an arcade for the weekend. Wonder if I'll be neko or tachi in my mahjong games...

Ah. I see I see. Informational. Better get my tin foil hat to prepare for your insaneness. I'm wondering how a game of majong without limbs works hmmmmm emoji. Better not lose all your money in the arcade, though I don't mind being your sugar daddy for some pics of your amputated body. Yes, yes, quite.

You pulled me in this roleplay of weirdness and I am not gonna back out, so be prepared.

mint-leaf posted:

That said, in real life there are people who prefer to be on the top or bottom on a regular basis.

I think that's a good point. These dynamics didn't materialize out of thin air, they did come from actual people's preferences and are ground in some kind of reality. Although most manga reinforces these roles more rigidly.

You could argue it comes from het because guy has D and is supposed to do all the work, while girl mostly receive, so it seems natural it would work like that and authors try to mimic it when writing yuri (because they got no other clue). You also have the stereotype and common believe that guys are more sexual driven and women are pure and innocent. Of course you got dominating and passive people on both sides and as it was said already, it all boils down to people's preferences and personality, but you can't deny that kind of default image of sex is pretty widespread.

Also it is much easier to create couple's dynamic when you got 1 clearly dominating and 1 clearly submissive, but that was also pointed out already.

If there could be more manga that realistically explored some of the interesting stuff to do with tachi, neko and riba roles, I get the feeling that some of you would probably interpret it as bullshit that could only have been made up by a straight person.

There's also the tropes in Japanese porns that the girl has to be submissive and whimper like it's a torture to have sex. The whimpering is a massive turn off for me.

I think it permeates the whole sexual relationships in Japan. Even with yuri, like here (though it is subverted in the end).

Porn has a tendency to spill out in real life because as it is more available than ever on the Internet, people start to think it is the normal way to behave in sex and if they don't, they are not "good". As such, the "roles" are reinforced at every turn. Sex drives society.

Well this post did a 180 turn, didn't it? XD

There are a fair amount of deliberate subversions of this trope actually...one good example being my avatar here, who virtually changes phase from solid to liquid when Hatsumi is concerned. This has almost become a stereotype: the tall, scary, silent girl with the huge burning blue eyes and hair down to her knees who turns into a melty teary-eyed puddle of lesbian Jello where her girlfriend is concerned.

...actually, that's a fair description of me.

There are a fair amount of deliberate subversions of this trope actually...one good example being my avatar here, who virtually changes phase from solid to liquid when Hatsumi is concerned. This has almost become a stereotype: the tall, scary, silent girl with the huge burning blue eyes and hair down to her knees who turns into a melty teary-eyed puddle of lesbian Jello where her girlfriend is concerned.

...actually, that's a fair description of me.

I have wanted to see that anime for some time, but I am actually pretty sensitive/emotional, so I can't take bad endings -_- .

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I like it because it helps me imagine the scenario as who's the guy in the relationship.