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Nezchan posted:

All right now, this is all fun but cool it on the insults please.

Yea, because making fun of me is fine since you are mod. And you insulted users before and somehow that was fine. You can't engage in honest discussion and you always run away when you can't win so I'm just stating the truth. You can't deal with facts so you prefer to ignore them. If you call being dishonest and ignorant insults, then it just proves my point.

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I can see you're very upset about this. I'm sorry I offended you.

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I agree with you, but the problem is majority of those feminist don't bother specifying which feminist ideology they talk about. They just say feminism, because there is only 1 definition of feminism. Equality for women.

Only feminism I ever heard about is everything is sexist and misogynist. Men are lower being and should have no rights and all the power in the world should be given to women. Men are scum and assholes by default and they should do everything every women tells them. They should get ride of their toxic masculinity because it is oppressive to women. And women are oppressed in every single aspect of their life by male patriarchy that day and night work to make life of every women on earth into hell and we need to fight it. Not to mention habit of making up facts or twisting stuff in order to fit their agenda, like saying that women get paid less on average than men which is not true. Also of course ignoring or dismissing any problems or inequalities men have because they are privilege sex. So basically equality for women, means to them more rights even if the stuff is already equal between sexes and they have no problem demanding more and making it unequal for men, because they are women so they deserve it and men had their fun already. At least all of it apply to feminist activist in America that focus on America, because those are the ones I only heard about, probably since they seems to be the loudest.

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But you do know that feminism is (mainly?) about equality.
What you're supposedly describing isn't feminism. It's like when someone completely twists around a concept. The problem isn't the concept, but the people doing bullshit in its name. I don't get why you'd put down feminism as a whole because of that.
You seem to disagree with what feminism shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify, but have cultivated this weird prejudiced bias against it to entirely invalidate and mock feminism as a whole, as if inequality between genders doesn't exist, it's all a myth people have made up in their heads, and those protesting and standing up for women are a bunch of greedy selfish liars. There's something very... "blind", in denial and insulting about what you claim it to be.

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Side note, why is it that feminism's credibility is always so heavily attacked? When someone speaks up, or tries to speak up, so many people rush to silent them, making fun of them, acting as if they're delusional or somehow claiming threatening shit. Why is advocating for equality made to be synonymous to unfounded hysteria?

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Side note, why is it that feminism's credibility is always so heavily attacked? When someone speaks up, or tries to speak up, so many people rush to silent them, making fun of them, acting as if they're delusional or somehow claiming threatening shit. Why is advocating for equality made to be synonymous to unfounded hysteria?

When your interests are vested in the status quo, you don't like it when people rock the boat.

You accuse them of trying to sink the ship, when all they're doing is trying to do is steer it in a different direction.

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Side note, why is it that feminism's credibility is always so heavily attacked? When someone speaks up, or tries to speak up, so many people rush to silent them, making fun of them, acting as if they're delusional or somehow claiming threatening shit. Why is advocating for equality made to be synonymous to unfounded hysteria?

Nowadays Feminism isn't even about equality of both genders anymore. It's about favoring woman because of this Privilege bullshit. Now, If you're born with certain gene's you have no right to criticize women but they have the right to criticize you. Feminism need to go back to "This is about rights rights for both men & woman" instead of "This is only about woman & all men are misogynistic and I know that for a fact because one guy was an asshole to me". It's so god-damn preposterous. Feminism isn't being attacked, It's being criticized.

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To be fair is mostly due the internet giving a lot of extremists a place where they can spout their own twisted ideals about what feminism should be and more often than not, attack all of those who don't blindly agree with them, "poisoning the well" so to speak and creating an equal extremist opposition in response.

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Meursault posted:

I agree with you, but the problem is majority of those feminist don't bother specifying which feminist ideology they talk about. They just say feminism, because there is only 1 definition of feminism. Equality for women.

But you do know that feminism is (mainly?) about equality.
What you're supposedly describing isn't feminism. It's like when someone completely twists around a concept. The problem isn't the concept, but the people doing bullshit in its name. I don't get why you'd put down feminism as a whole because of that.

That is true. I know the original idea of feminism raised in times where there was a huge inequality between men and women and thanks to hard work of those feminist it changed for better and women are basically on equal footing right now with men (at least in America). The issue is there is a lot people calling themselves feminist and doing stuff in name of feminism but what they are preaching is exactly what I said. Whenever you call them on it they will tell you back that feminism is about equal rights for women and if you are against it then you are a anit-feminist or w/e and hate women, but they will ignore the fact they are not doing it for equal rights anymore. They act as if nothing in those decades changed and women are as oppressed as they were so they have to fight for women's equality, but instead of focusing on stuff that is still bad, they focus on stuff that is no longer a issue. So while original idea was about equal rights, nowadays a lot people also adapt that train of thoughts as a part of being a feminist hence the meaning of feminist changed and you can't say it is mainly about equality since that is no longer the cause. So it is not me putting down feminism, but rather people who call themselves feminist activist are preaching that is what feminism is and I'm disagreeing with it. And since I never saw any feminist who actually tried to change something that actually needs changing (most of the time those people don't call themselves feminists) to me whenever you talk about feminism, that is what feminism is like. It's fault of those people associating themselves with feminism to give it such negative image.

You seem to disagree with what feminism shouldn't be used as an excuse to justify, but have cultivated this weird prejudiced bias against it to entirely invalidate and mock feminism as a whole

As I said before, nobody ever specify what feminism they talk about, you guys as well. So whenever they talk about it and you mention it, I have the same image in my head. Sure I won't attack people just because they said they are feminist or something, but because of stuff I already heard, I'm not really optimistic about talking to them and usually what they say is exactly the same things and ideas I heard so many times and disagreed with. And the biggest issue is that usually when the topic comes trying to talk it over is impossible. All I ever get is a stream of assumptions and never got any actual facts or responds to my questions. That is if the topic will even start at all, since whenever the topic of feminism comes up everyone immediately back up from conversation because "it will turn into argument". If feminism is so good why it's better to avoid talking about it? This way it is feminists that are living in the bubble and not want to challenge their ideas, not the other way around. I'm more than fine with discussion it and challenging myself, because my knowledge is limited, but I never get a chance to, because appearntly feminism is a dangerous topic.

, as if inequality between genders doesn't exist, it's all a myth people have made up in their heads, and those protesting and standing up for women are a bunch of greedy selfish liars. There's something very... "blind", in denial and insulting about what you claim it to be.

That depends about what inequality we are talking about. Because every time those feminist brings them up they talk about stuff that is already fixed or never was a issue to begin with. Again I'm talking only about America and I know very well not every country in entire world has equal rights for both genders, but the way those feminist acts is as if nothing was equal in America and everything needs fixing and they keep on focusing on things that are fine already. Show me example of inequality in America that is still a issue then sure, I'll agree, but so far I was only show stuff that was already fixed or wasn't true in the first place, but somehow those feminist still see it as problem that needs to be fixed. They really give a impression feminism is all about entitlement. There is no more serious issues in America, but we are feminist and we need to complain about something, so let's make up a bunch of shit and if we get more rights then cool. How many feminist tries to help other countries, like Muslim countries where actual patriarchy exist, not a made up one? It is also worth mentioning that by definition feminism was created to fight for equal rights for women, so it isn't really about equality, cos feminism don't care about men's issues, as long as women's rights are equal. Sure I bet some feminist do care, but if so why men domestic abuses, rapes etc. are ridiculed by them and there is no save shelters and help centers for men? That is a existing issues, but somehow feminists doesn't help with that. So again, give me some examples then we can talk, because for now the only blind people I see are those feminists you protect, because they happily ignore those issues since they are not theirs.

If you can show me someone labeled as feminist who actually does something important, then I have no problem changing my perception of feminism, but as I said, so far the only examples I ever heard of are those really negative ones so that is my only idea about feminist activists.

Meursault posted:

Side note, why is it that feminism's credibility is always so heavily attacked? When someone speaks up, or tries to speak up, so many people rush to silent them, making fun of them, acting as if they're delusional or somehow claiming threatening shit. Why is advocating for equality made to be synonymous to unfounded hysteria?

Most examples of it I'm aware of doesn't actually try to advocate equality, but women superiority or attacks things that are already fixed or were never a issue or are not the problem. I'm sure nobody (well, majority of people at least) is against equality and if a feminist talked about a real issue people would be agreeing with it, at least I would, but most of the time they are not. Again it is issue of you need to give me a example, because all I heard of were justified in people shooting them down.

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When your interests are vested in the status quo, you don't like it when people rock the boat.

You accuse them of trying to sink the ship, when all they're doing is trying to do is steer it in the right direction.

I really hope we are talking about 2 different things, because alternative is terrifying.

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Nowadays Feminism isn't even about equality of both genders anymore. It's about favoring woman because of this Privilege bullshit. Now, If you're born with certain gene's you have no right to criticize women but they have the right to criticize you. Feminism need to go back to "This is about rights rights for both men & woman" instead of "This is only about woman & all men are misogynistic and I know that for a fact because one guy was an asshole to me". It's so god-damn preposterous. Feminism isn't being attacked, It's being criticized.

I just said the same thing and I was laughed at by 3 feminists that it isn't the truth and stuff like that doesn't exist, so good luck.

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its funny seeing anti-feminists talk about feminism being anti-man cuz i'd say the closest it ever comes to that is when TERFs were at their peak and used anti-male rhetoric to justify depriving trans women of basic human rights. i mean compared to a few decades ago i'd say modern feminists are a lot gentler towards men.

anyway i was gonna write up a whole thing but instead i'll just say if you are going to complain about feminists generalizing about men based on anecdotal data then you don't fucking get to generalize about feminism based on your own.

(of course at least feminists often have actual data we can point to regarding many of the issues we face)

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[...] extremists [...] spout their own twisted ideals about what ___ should be and more often than not, attack all of those who don't blindly agree with them, "poisoning the well" so to speak and creating an equal extremist opposition in response.

The story of humanity in a paragraph.

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VivianGames posted:

its funny seeing anti-feminists talk about feminism being anti-man cuz i'd say the closest it ever comes to that is when TERFs were at their peak and used anti-male rhetoric to justify depriving trans women of basic human rights. i mean compared to a few decades ago i'd say modern feminists are a lot gentler towards men.

anyway i was gonna write up a whole thing but instead i'll just say if you are going to complain about feminists generalizing about men based on anecdotal data then you don't fucking get to generalize about feminism based on your own.

(of course at least feminists often have actual data we can point to regarding many of the issues we face)

Good thing none of you are able to show me any of those data and prefer to just tell me how wrong I am. I asked for just 1 example of feminists doing good for the world and you can't even give me that. If those extreme feminists are so rare or non existent, the why I only hear about them and nothing about those real feminists that really work to better the world? Also about only feminists providing data, that is so not true. Most of the time feminists give no data or the data they use is false/they misinterpret it on purpose. The best example is pay gap which they use for everything and which is actually wrong. Or this thread where I'm asking to show me facts and neither of you did it.

Also good to get labeled again based just on assumptions. Why I even bother making a long post explaining my position for you to just take quick look at it and assume I'm anti-feminist when I explicitly said I'm not against idea, but how it is used right now and I don't see anyone using it right. Also good to know you magically know I'm using anecdotal data when I didn't even link any. As always feminists are right and anyone who disagree with them is wrong. Also good to know you don't use internet if you say nowadays feminist aren't anti-men at all.

I wanted actual discussion and some answer, but I see as always only thing I got is dismissal and ridicule. You just proved to me all feminists are the same. No I will know for sure feminism is cancer and I should avoid it.

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maybe i just don't think you're worth the effort

maybe i don't put in effort for every rando online who decides feminism is up for debate

just saying don't complain about others using anecdotes when you're doing the same

EDIT: I'll even be so kind as to explain that I'm not personally equipped for getting emotionally invested in this little debate in a thread about a porn anime. I can't keep my cool and I've played this song and dance enough times to know how it goes anyway.

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just saying don't complain about others using anecdotes when you're doing the same

These feminists are shitting on men for being men, You don't develop a mindset about someone for being born with certain genes. My POV on feminists is based on how I've seen them act, Not because they are women.

You're telling me that I'm being hypocritical? Ya'll are complaining about sexism while stereotyping all men as sexist shitheads. I wonder who the hypocritical one is....

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is a fucking yuri reader really the best place to be arguing about this? cant you guys take this somewhere else please?

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I'm shutting down comments on this shitshow. It's profoundly off topic from the article itself, and from experience I can't see this going anywhere healthy. You've all said your piece, now it's time to move on.

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