But I kind of get why some people have problem with promiscuity, open relationships, polyamory and so on, but as always it's not so much that the person has problem with it, but that society forces us to think that only one kind of lifestyle is right. :/

Nope. Monogamy is not forced by society. Some people are just not polyamorous by their nature, it's not a society thing. Also I believe it's easier for a relationship of two people to work rather than more.

Some people indeed are simply not polyamorous by their nature. AND it is true that society heavily pushes a specific image of what an acceptable relationship looks like, and that acceptable relationship is always monogamous. People don't really give credit to just how much they learn from the society around them that becomes the template for their lives, the degree is rather stunning. The downgrading of polyamory to "deviant behaviour" is one of those things.

I agree thought that it's easier to be in a relationship with only two people. Undoubtedly true, and part of why it's easier is society's disapproval of other arrangements.

Not that I necessarily think it's realistic for the characters in this story, since as people have already noted there are a lot of trust issues. Trust is one of the big important factors in a successful poly (or well, any) relationship, and it sounds like that's a rare commodity here.

Omg seriously?? I'm going to have to go back and look at that chapter again.

Okay so I just checked it and the girl looks like she has brown hair

I'm not sureee, it does look kind of brown but I think that might be because it's dark, Nami's hair also looks darker than usual. It's likely dark on purpose so that we can't really tell whether it's pink or brown >.< Maybe Nami has been hooking with up Seju!! omg and now because of this it's quite a possible plot twist!

That is very true Nami's hair did look darker so maybe they are trying to hide that it was Seju! The plot twist continues!!

This is definitely NOT Seju!! lol

Dang so the plot twist doesn't continue!! Hahaha
But it would still be pretty shocking if it was Seju lol

Okay, first of all, I thought it was obvious what I said about Team Gaji was a joke since I added "post twist" in it... I'll try to explain again, according to someone Team Gaji might be a woman because of what they see in her twitter, she makes a yuri manhwa/webcomic, she doesn't see the story as a love triangle and thought about maybe making threesome ending, so the plot twist is that she uses the name Team Gaji because she is in a threeway relationship and WDTFS is more or less based on her life, I even said then that it's at this kind of time that I wanted to know about the life of the person who makes the manga, webcomic, manhwa, whatever, especially those who make yuri, so after saying that and "plot twist" I kind of thought it was obvious I was joking and I don't know anything about Team Gaji...

MacySan, when I was talking about a pervert I meant Sungji, not Sumin, and in your next post, no, it's not necessary to have love between Seju and Sungji for the threesome to work, like I said before it would be Sumin with both, they both love her so they would share, I don't think it is impossible, at least I think Sumin still loves Seju, but it's easier to not work because of their trust issues instead of lack of love, not to mention this is just a possibility, threesome ending can't be discarted since Team Gaji themselves said they thought about maybe doing it, we're still in the middle of the story so we have time for it to happen, especially if they get another extention later.

We finding later that Seju is sleeping with Nami is not in any way a plot twist, it's just an asspull, it just don't make any sense after all the hate she showed.

And Nezchan kind of explained part of what I was going to say, I didn't say that people are brainwashed to be only in monogamous relationship, but it is a fact that people is pretty much brainwashed to believe only monogamy is right, go ask anyone what they think of polyamorous relationships and most will say they don't believe it can work and they will always use same reasons that society teach us, like how only two people is right, or because of god, or how they don't belive you can love more than one person, or soulmates and so on, it's not only with relationship, a lot of things people believe by default is because society pushes all our life that pretty much only one way is right, atheists are a good example, most people simply can't understand how someone can't believe in god because we're pretty much taught since birth that god exists and believing in god is the right choice.

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Omg seriously?? I'm going to have to go back and look at that chapter again.

Okay so I just checked it and the girl looks like she has brown hair

I'm not sureee, it does look kind of brown but I think that might be because it's dark, Nami's hair also looks darker than usual. It's likely dark on purpose so that we can't really tell whether it's pink or brown >.< Maybe Nami has been hooking with up Seju!! omg and now because of this it's quite a possible plot twist!

That is very true Nami's hair did look darker so maybe they are trying to hide that it was Seju! The plot twist continues!!

This is definitely NOT Seju!! lol

Dang so the plot twist doesn't continue!! Hahaha
But it would still be pretty shocking if it was Seju lol

No, no, no, the plot twist continues. Just think about it? Why did the author need to add that scene where she shows Nami? It is very rare to add scenes without a reason. Every single panel has a purpose. It's likely that it just wanted to show that Nami is a playgirl to develop her character but! it's also possible this girl is indeed Seju... wait >:D I know
Update: I have evidence! So I put the images in photoshop and color picked, and YES the brown is indeed a hue of red VERY CLOSE to another hue that I color picked of Seju's hair in a dark environment. Not to mention that the hair is wavy just like Seju's, why would TeamGaji put that type of hair there if she didn't mean to make a statement? She could have used any normal straight brown hair which is pretty standard. It is very possible this is Seju, I say >:D

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Nope, that girl is not Seju, she made an appearance in chapter 30. That brown haired girl is the person whom, according to Sumin, Nami has been sleeping with everyday.

I also think that Sungji is kind of a pervert. She haven't dated anyone before but she said that she did fantasize a little about it, and when she gets into a relationship with Sumin, she was so eager to have sex with her. She even got really upset when Sumin didn't go all the way with her, well that's somewhat understandable (Who likes being blueballed?) but they just dated for a very short time, and it's her first relationship. So, to me, she's a pervert. I can imagine her being wilder than Sumin, later in the future when she has gathered more experience.

Personally, I think that a threesome ending would be interesting. However, for a threesome ending to workout in this story, team gaji must be able to pull of a stellar writing, or else it would be just a huge disaster. Anyway, for the threesome ending, they only said that they considered about it but it doesn't mean that they'll go with it. For now, it's pretty obvious that SungjixSumin is their end game.

For Nami, if she is really going to play a role at all, I expect us to be seeing more of her starting from now. If she only appear every once in while to bug Seju like now, I do question what she's there for.

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Nope, that girl is not Seju, she made an appearance in chapter 30. That brown haired girl is the person whom, according to Sumin, Nami is sleeping with everyday.

Uwaa T_T, lost case I guess. Indeed.

Nope, that girl is not Seju, she made an appearance in chapter 30. That brown haired girl is the person whom, according to Sumin, Nami is sleeping with everyday.

Uwaa T_T, lost case I guess. Indeed.

Aww shoot :( so the plot twist really doesn't continue..

We finding later that Seju is sleeping with Nami is not in any way a plot twist, it's just an asspull, it just don't make any sense after all the hate she showed.

This is already an asspull lol. The girl doesn't even look like Seju, let alone the fact that it's been 30 chapters since that, and if that was Seju, at least we should have got more signs for it.
Not to mention if they were sleeping together, Seju wouldn't behave like that to Nami, especially when they are alone.

I agree that a lot of things are pushed to be right by society, I just don't think monogamy is one of them. Yes, maybe some people are in fact polyamorous but they just don't chose to do it because of the society. I don't think that this is the majority though.
If someone asked me why I'm not polyamorous, I wouldn't say because it's wrong or because of God. I just find it,for me personally, too much to be with more than one person at the same time, and it feels pointless? I mean what's the point, really? Unless you are in lust with them and you like to have fun...beyond that I can't really see any other reason. I don't want this to sound ignorant, but sometimes it feels maybe they are looking for some traits/things that only one person can't have, so they find more than one person and get everything they want from multiple sources.
Also I think the bond is stronger between two people and deeper. At least imo.

It's not so much that society teachs that monogamy is the only one right, but that they also teach that anything else is wrong, like with being straight, it's not so much seen as being right but as the default or "natural" way of things, so even if they don't teach that is the right way they do tend to say in direct or indirect ways that any other way is wrong, hope I said properly what I meant...

As for what is the point? Again it is in part because of society that you can't see it, they teach that love can only be between two people, that it can't be shared, fact that a lot of fiction plays with concept of soulmates or about finding your other half or destined person kind of shows that too, it's not about lust, if you want sex then it's just open relationship or swing, real polyamorous relationship is all about love and trust, I know what you mean about not wanting to sound ignorant MacySan, even if we're open minded sometimes certains things are just hard or impossible for some to understand, either because it's incompatible with our nature or because society basically programed our brains to not accept certain concepts, even if we try sometimes our brains are just "hardwired" to not be able to understand how some people can have certain lifestyles or how they believe in some things.

As for the bond being deeper between two people, I also understand why most people think that, but that don't really has anything to do with how many people are in the relationship, how strong and deep their bond and love are all depends on how much investment they put in the relationship, but because it's between only two people it is easier to mantain since after all it's already hard to have relationship between two people, especially because most people think it's good to have a little jealousy and other bullshit like that, in the end polyamorous relationship is not really different than monogamy, true it have more than two people, but in the end just like monogamous it is all about love and trust, obviously it is harder to have one especially because of how society sees it, it needs way more investment from everyone involved but the rewards are also bigger.

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Yeah I got carried away with the Seju thing I guess >.>
Yes, true society might play a role but society always does play a role. Regarding the ideal body type and fashion too... just because someone likes the standard things that are promoted in society doesn't mean that the reason is because society taught them to.
It's neither good or bad to have jealousy, some people want that in the partner and others don't. For people who are into monogamous relationships there is definitely something attractive about someone wanting you only for them.
The fact is only one person makes it really special because you know it is only that person that can make you feel a certain way. Not that similar things can't happen with polyamory but I think that's how most monogamous people see it.
I also agree with MacySan, because if one person had all the traits you wanted why would you fall for a second one? And I do believe polyamory can work, I can't fathom how because it's hard for me to imagine but I do believe it works for some people and that some people are definitely not meant to be in monogamous relationships. I really do understand why someone would want a polygamous relationship but that doesn't mean that the reason I don't want it for myself is because I don't see how great it would be. If we take it like that, society affects everything even, polyamory, so people who are into that are also affected by society, just in a different way. If societies didn't exist we would just be like cave people and we would just do random things without a care in the world. For example, it is very likely that the reason so many people are straight is because of society since it was not like that in older times (in Ancient Greece men seemed to be bisexual for example) but the reason some people are queer is also partly because of society or environment. Or the reason someone would believe in god or not. We are all a blank page without society so it doesn't make sense to attribute one thing to society but claim that the other one in unrelated.
That doesn't mean that monogamous relationships or jealousy is stupid though and I definitely don't think the 'rewards' in polyamory are bigger. Why would they? Just because you have more of something it doesn't make it better, it only makes it better for the people that wish that. For someone that only needs one person there isn't anything rewarding about being with two. Literally some people just shut down almost to others and they only have one person in their mind.

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God the thread moves so fast, lol.

Interesting discussion about polyamory. I think when it comes to polyamory, it's best to use the classic rule of thumb of pyschology, that nature (genetics) and nurture (society, environment) both come at play. Which one contributes the most ? You'll never know exactly, as each people are wired and "conditioned" differently, it's very hard to come into statistical conclusion.

Another thing that I may also add, polyamory relationship is hard to happen because your partners have to be polyamory as well. Now, what is the probability finding another TWO equally polyamory person as your lovers ? Very low. So then, what is the probability of polyamory relationship can happen ? Even lower. You can't be in a polyamory relationship if one of your partner is monogamous. So polyamory is not a product that is only based on nature or nuture, but also a product of specific condition: equally polyamory partners. That explains why a truly working polyamory relationship is very hard to find. You might be a polyamory, but to be in a working polyamory relationship is on another level.

So back to the story, it is just very hard for me to picture that wdfs would end up as threesome. Honestly, I would love that to happen, because then everyone is happy. Happy = healing, yeay. But there would be a lot of grounds, hills, and seas that the author would have to cover if Team Gaji wants to keep the story intact. Polyamory requires a lot of trust and acceptance from each person in the relationship, how would the author cover that development for SejuxSungji relationship (while keeping the story intact) ?

Well I didn't try to mean that it's all because of society, it's just one of the main factors that affects how we are or view things, fortunately with time more and more people are learning to open their minds to diffent things, but in the end it's various factors that affect how people think, obviously, I said society just because it's something that will continuously affect your life, especially if you decide to go against the "norm", I didn't try to blame everything on society since things are never that simple, that would be stupid and naive, though I admit it might have sounded like that...

Well, for polyamorous relationship I admit that it depends on how it is for it to have a bigger reward or not, if it is just one person having relationship with two or more then I kind of agree since only that one is getting the affection of the others, now if it's for example between 3 people where they all love each other, then it can be more rewarding than relationship between 2, but in the end we can't really judge how rewarding a relationship is or not because it already varies a lot between 2 people, it's pretty much relative to what each person believe or feels so there's nothing really much to discuss as we'll just end up going in circles, and like you said for some people when they finally have someone they love and that love them back, they pretty much don't care at all about the rest of the world.

I also never said that monogamous is stupid, as for jealousy, it's kind of complicated, because most people believe only the bad kind of jealousy exist, there is also the benevolent kind that can make us try to be better, unfortunately most people doesn't seen to have it, so when I said that jealousy is stupid I was talking about the bad kind that even when it is small it can already fuck up your relationship or even your life if you're jealous of someone because of what they have or because of how their life is better than yours, bad jealousy is pretty much a poison.

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So back to the story, it is just very hard for me to picture that wdfs would end up as threesome. Honestly, I would love that to happen, because then everyone is happy. Happy = healing, yeay. But there would be a lot of grounds, hills, and seas that the author would have to cover if Team Gaji wants to keep the story intact. Polyamory requires a lot of trust and acceptance from each person in the relationship, how would the author cover that development for SejuxSungji relationship (while keeping the story intact) ?

I agree with the rest you said but I won't quote or reply cause I think we already said everything that matters on the subject, as for WDTFS ending on threesome, though I think it can happen, I acually doubt Team Gaji would be able to do it well with only 80 chapters as we're already on half of it, maybe if they get another extention of 40? Cause like you said they didn't develop anything between Seju and Sungji, so even if they decide to just share Sumin, it would probably be poorly done with so little time.

And yeah this thread moves fast, same for FF thread, there are no brakes on this train.

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I agree with the rest you said but I won't quote or reply cause I think we already said everything that matters on the subject, as for WDTFS ending on threesome, though I think it can happen, I acually doubt Team Gaji would be able to do it well with only 80 chapters as we're already on half of it, maybe if they get another extention of 40? Cause like you said they didn't develop anything between Seju and Sungji, so even if they decide to just share Sumin, it would probably be poorly done with so little time.

If they were going to have the story end with the three of them together then I would be interested to see how they would go about it if we are already half way through the story, getting an extension I think would be the ideal thing in order for it to not feel like it was rushed. But I think Team Gaji would be able to pull it off, it just seems like it would be more confusing.

Literally some people just shut down almost to others and they only have one person in their mind.

Exactly this. This is what happens when some people fall in love, and it is not something that society teaches them. It just happens.

Although I believe we are not born blank without society. I think there are some parts in humans that are innate. For example, they made some tests in blind babies (who were born blind and have never seen other people's expressions) and when they were caressing them, the babies were smilling.
This shows that smilling is actually something inate, not something we mimic because of society. Of course living in a society and among other people we adapt. So it's a combination of the two.
I believe sexuality is inate, but the way people express it can be influenced by society.

I don't think that WDTFS will end with threesome though. I think maybe Sungji will ask from Sumin to forgive Seju, and maybe help her with her familly

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Thiaguinho-sama

yeah they probably should elaborate further on the cheating thing because it is no doubt one of the most controversial topics in the fandom so far, but i doubt they will. i personally don't really think they need to explain it because i feel that we've been given enough characterization and detail to the story that can explain it. it's just a thing that happened once and there was no emotions involved. Seju must've been upset/sexually frustrated and the alcohol gave her a big push to make that mistake.

and tbh the only reason why i kinda support the OT3 ending is because i want everyone to be happy plus it's hard to deny that it'd be hot as hell . it isn't a very realistic expectation though, i'm aware. it'd be pretty awesome if Team Gaji manage to pull it off convincingly though.

Maybe Seju didn't actually sleep with that bartender guy.. and only set it up like that to make Sumin see that scene and hate her??? Dundundunnn.. cause maybe she wanted to somehow punish herself for the death of Sumins parents?

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Maybe Seju didn't actually sleep with that bartender guy.. and only set it up like that to make Sumin see that scene and hate her??? Dundundunnn.. cause maybe she wanted to somehow punish herself for the death of Sumins parents?

No, that would be so weird. If she had actually done that she wouldn't cling to her still.
I feel like a lot of people are TeamPink because Sungji lacks definition as a character. To be honest I sympathized with her from the beginning so I feel like I can make a lot of guesses about her and she doesn't seem as bland to me. However, after the trip and having her cry after everyone in the company found out Sumin was her girlfriend she has been a bit boring. I hope we will see a change in the next chapter though (please no more Seju POV -.-)

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Maybe the cheating will never be fully explained cause it's hard to give a good explanation? It's kind of easier to leave to each person interpretation, and as it was 10 years ago it doesn't really matter that much anymore, only the consequences it had.

I don't think Seju blames herself for Sumin parents death, but maybe she does, did they ever say it? I don't remember, but even if she did I don't think she would sleep with that guy for that, maybe in part she's waiting for Sumin after all those years because she do feels guilty for her parents? After all Sumin already promised to be her family, so by feeling guilty it would make even more sense why after 10 years she still wants to be on Sumin life.

As for the ending, the logical ending seens to be Sumin x Sungji being Seju family, but I don't really care how the ending is as long as it's good.

Though I'm on Team Pink and Black (threesome ending), I don't really have anything against Sungji, sure she needs to be more fleshed out, but my love for Seju don't affect how I see her, I actually like everyone, the story might have it's problem but I sympathize with everyone, I choose Seju side in part because how her haters are annoying and only focus on the cheating, and because I feel it'll be easier for Sumin to be healed, she seens to be the strong one of the three protagonists, the way Seju is so passive and had to probably endure for all her life her shitty family treating her in such horrible ways makes me think she's the one who really need people on her side.

queerturtle, where is your avatar from? you have link for the original image or name of the artist?

Team Gaji confirmed on ask.fm that she did indeed sleep with the bartender and it was consensual. i know Seju seems masochistic but i'm sure she's not THAT much of a masochist lol.

Faylicia

i don't find Sungji boring though she is a rather tamed character compared to the two ajjummas. the other two are pretty much drama fuel. i'm sure as the story goes on we will see more of her character though, which i'm glad because i'm interested in all of the characters in this manhwa.

please no more Seju POV -.-

that'd have happened had Team Gaji stuck with their original idea for the story. WDTFS was initially going to be a drama-free manhwa about the relationship between a black-haired woman and her blondie (aka a Korean version of Their Story) but they came up with Seju while designing Sumin, which i'm glad because it makes the manhwa more special.

also why do Sungji/Sumin fans say this a lot? it's kinda annoying ngl. we have 3 main characters here and like it or not, their presence/significance in the story will be mostly equal

Thiaguinho-sama

http://imgur.com/wXTElkJ

unfortunately i don't have the name of the artist, and this is not the source of the original.

do you happen to be a Rosalina fan like me? :D

I assume no one asked why she slept with that guy?

Yeah, Seju and Sumin are walking drama, so Sungji end up looking boring, but I don't think she is, they just need to give more depth to her.

Why Sumin x Sungji fans says that? Cause they're biased because of Seju cheating, so they already hate her, now that the story is focusing on Sumin x Sungji they want only that, because of this focus they also seen to forget that Seju and Sumin are the real main characters, Sungji is also one but she came later, kind of how some people forgot that Kuroko is a sociopath serial killer on Murcielago, we need to go back to Seju POV so people will remember that this is story is not about Sumin x Sungji romance, but about Seju and Sumin healing.

Good thing Team Gaji changed the story, a ero FF would be nice, but this is more interesting, it's like that saying that all happy families are the same, but the sad families are sad and happy in their own way.

Thanks queerturtle, I didn't recognize but I do like Rosalina, I might be able to find the source, you want to know it?

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well i don't know if anyone did but the whole situation is pretty self-explanatory if one just sits back and look at it objectively. it's just a result of getting unreasonably blamed for your lover's parents' death + having your relationship on the verge of collapsing with your lover (note: the only person in your life who truly loves you) severely depressed and not allowing + no sex for about 1 month + alcohol + maybe some resentment towards your lover.

Seju is obviously no saint but i swear she gets so much crap from the fandom it's ridiculous. it's already established that she is a significant main character. deal with it people. all the "no more Seju POV", "oh man Seju appears in this chapter so it automatically sucks", "too much Seju this chapter so i won't translate it", etc. is honestly just as cancerous as all the "Seju is an innocent misunderstood angel!!!" crap.

i think all 3 characters are equally important ultimately but it just doesn't seem that way to some as of now because of either bias or that the story and characters aren't fully fleshed out yet.

and yes Thiaguinho-sama, i'd love to know the source.

I was just joking -.-, I get a bit bored with Seju because I'm more interested in how Sumin/Sungji will develop. Not to say that it's not necessary to show her. I just meant I hope the next chapter is not about that. S-seriously... if people take it that much to heart it's a bit... annoying >.>
There aren't even that many Sungji fans in here I think... and I'm definitely not biased about the cheating. I said like a hundred times that I think Sumin should have given her a second opportunity >.<
I think this story is both about Sumin and Seju healing also also Sungji/Sumin romance. Sungji is a very important character. The way the story is told makes me think she is the protagonist. The story starts with her and we basically follow her journey most of the time, only that we see her through Sumin's POV most of the time so we don't know what she's thinking

well i don't know if anyone did but the whole situation is pretty self-explanatory if one just sits back and look at it objectively. it's just a result of getting unreasonably blamed for your lover's parents' death + having your relationship on the verge of collapsing with your lover (note: the only person in your life who truly loves you) severely depressed and not allowing + no sex for about 1 month + alcohol + maybe some resentment towards your lover.

Seju is obviously no saint but i swear she gets so much crap from the fandom it's ridiculous. it's already established that she is a significant main character. deal with it people. all the "no more Seju POV", "oh man Seju appears in this chapter so it automatically sucks", "too much Seju this chapter so i won't translate it", etc. is honestly just as cancerous as all the "Seju is an innocent misunderstood angel!!!" crap.

i think all 3 characters are equally important ultimately but it just doesn't seem that way to some as of now because of either bias or that the story and characters aren't fully fleshed out yet.

I haven't noticed too many people giving Seju crap, but I could just not be paying that close of attention (which is highly likely). Personally I think Seju is a great character, I don't see her as some evil character or anything like that. I think she has done something that I would consider as wrong, but I'm not going to talk crap about her because of it. I am however leaning more towards Sumin and Sungji because I think they go pretty well together.
I do think it's kind of rediculous if people don't want to translate anything just because they are pissed Seju is in it too much..

queerturtle, it's because of how you explained that I think they will never make clear why the cheating happened, giving one or two reasons would be a weak explanation, it makes way more sense being a little of everything like you said, and I made search and didn't find the image yet, I could probably find on Pixiv since it has good chances it's japanese, but it would have countless of images in the way that I would want to save, so I'll probably not do that, but if you want to look on pixiv I can give you Rosalina tag, you're going to have a lot of images to save too, you want?

Faylicia, the problem is that even if you find Sumin x Sungji more interesting, that's not what the story is about, so it just don't make sense not showing Seju, I agree what you said about POV, I suspect that soon after Sumin get better we might start seeing Seju POV, kind of like happened with FF.

GraciousLlama, go read the thread since the beginning, before we saw that Sumin is kind of jerk and how she treated Seju bad for 10 years, there was a group that would always call Seju evil and manipulative every time a new chapter came and people discussed about her, but as soon as Team Gaji showed Sumin true colors they all became quiet, god how I loved when that happened~~

Huh, considering I've just joined this forum recently, I'd like to know if you guys/girls have ever discussed a possible symbolism behind Sumin's tattoo.

Sumin covered the scars with yellow flowers. And, I don't know, but Sumin seems the type of person who would go for any other color, like black or red flowers, but, like, yellow? In the first place, that's not a very common color for a tattoo -it isn't very aesthetic considering skin color... Sooo, could the tattoo actually symbol the fact that a certain graceful blonde will take the place that once belonged to Seju?

I want to cry, because I keep pulling my ship down! (T^T)