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joined Jan 14, 2020

Actually, developed countries where prostitution is illegal never jail prostitutes themselves, but only those who profit from it and coerce others into it.

The USA is a developed country, and most certainly jails sex workers. Or cops extort sex from them under threat of arrest.

There is a new model, pioneered by Sweden, of only arresting the customers. This is opposed by the sex workers, and has resulted in more violence: the more law abiding customers are scared off, and the workers have less choice of whom to see. And the stigma of sex work continues to be high, including risk of losing their children: "you poor exploited woman" is a less respectful attidude than full legality with unions.

The hypocrisy lies in people who claim to care about sex workers but won't listen to them and deny their agency.

Cow%202
joined Sep 27, 2017

I see the comment section is a mess like usual, and people that have problems with prostitution still aren't avoiding works in this short story collection, and the prostitution tag. So another typical day on Dynasty, or maybe I should say the internet since people constantly refuse to skip/avoid things that they hate, and instead choose to complain that they exist.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

FluffyCow posted:

I see the comment section is a mess like usual, and people that have problems with prostitution still aren't avoiding works in this short story collection, and the prostitution tag. So another typical day on Dynasty, or maybe I should say the internet since people constantly refuse to skip/avoid things that they hate, and instead choose to complain that they exist.

Funny how suddenly, an opinion about prostitution suddenly became "a complaint that this manga exists". Quite a leap there.

I don't see the fantasy prostitution in this manga as a problem. Like I don't see the pedophilia in Itou Hachi's manga as a problem either. Because they are just that: manga. And as such, they are works of fiction and none was ever hurt.

I don't hate works about that, or even love them for that matter. It all depends on what the story has to offer.

But using these works to justify what they depict as legitimate is another thing and somehow, for prostitution, that what I saw here.

I never complained about the work itself. It is what it is.

I just don't like the prostitution industry, how it exploits and hurts people in the real world and how some people pretend legalizing it will solve most of the problem.

But I very much doubt they'd actually be OK with their girlfriend having a side job as a prostitute. Which is, according to them, "a normal job". Yeah. Right.

joined Jan 14, 2020

I just don't like the prostitution industry, how it exploits and hurts people in the real world and how some people pretend legalizing it will solve most of the problem.

And the opinion of actual sex workers is irrelevant to you. "I care about them, I won't listen to them."

they'd actually be OK with their girlfriend having a side job as a prostitute

You think sex workers never have SOs?

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joined Aug 2, 2020

I don't see the fantasy prostitution in this manga as a problem. Like I don't see the pedophilia in Itou Hachi's manga as a problem either. Because they are just that: manga. And as such, they are works of fiction and none was ever hurt.

Heavens, this is kind of a bold statement, don't you think? By saying "none was ever hurt," you simply discard those who may feel personally attacked by situations depicted in fiction. Fiction and reality may be different on paper, but fiction most of times interacts, somehow, with reality.

I don't hate works about that, or even love them for that matter. It all depends on what the story has to offer.

But using these works to justify what they depict as legitimate is another thing and somehow, for prostitution, that what I saw here.

I never complained about the work itself. It is what it is.

If you don't see any problems in fictional pedophilia if the story offers a good plot, then lovey-dovey pedophilia in real life shouldn't be a problem either. See how twisted is your opinion on the matter? Fiction, most of times, is based on reality.

and how some people pretend legalizing it will solve most of the problem.

No one defending legalization of prostitution here said it would solve most of problems, but that it would help solving some of them. Please read more carefully the whole discussion.

But I very much doubt they'd actually be OK with their girlfriend having a side job as a prostitute. Which is, according to them, "a normal job". Yeah. Right.

Ah, yes, the "love = sex" statement. Here, a few articles worthy of reading.

https://medium.com/@stevesmith_64802/dating-a-sex-worker-an-idiots-guide-455cbf6e9781

https://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/a28539010/dating-as-sex-worker/

https://rewire.news/article/2017/11/27/youre-dating-sex-worker-heres-not/

On a side note, Reddit has a subreddit dedicated for sex workers (r/SexWorkers). I found some interesting posts there; you need to have the app to access its contents, though. But hey, it was a nice experience.

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Blanksmall
joined Nov 24, 2017

Heavens, this is kind of a bold statement, don't you think? By saying "none was ever hurt," you simply discard those who may feel personally attacked by situations depicted in fiction. Fiction and reality may be different on paper, but fiction most of times interacts, somehow, with reality.

People are entitled to feel however they want about situations depicted in fiction. And everyone else is entitled to not give a shit whatsoever. There is no right to not be offended, especially by fiction. And then of course, fiction interacting with reality or being based on it doesn't magically make it reality. They're two separate things, which most people are able to distinguish. If someone can't do that, there is a problem that needs to be addressed, but it's not the fault of a fucking story, Tipper.

If you don't see any problems in fictional pedophilia if the story offers a good plot, then lovey-dovey pedophilia in real life shouldn't be a problem either. See how twisted is your opinion on the matter?

The fuck are you even talking about? Nobody said anywhere that not seeing problems with fictional crimes has any bearing on how those crimes should be treated in real life. You just pulled that right out of your ass, because the argument made was the complete opposite.

Maybe stop posting when you're drunk or emotionally unstable.

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joined Aug 2, 2020

People are entitled to feel however they want about situations depicted in fiction. And everyone else is entitled to not give a shit whatsoever. There is no right to not be offended, especially by fiction. And then of course, fiction interacting with reality or being based on it doesn't magically make it reality. They're two separate things, which most people are able to distinguish. If someone can't do that, there is a problem that needs to be addressed, but it's not the fault of a fucking story, Tipper.

As a bi woman myself, and friend of trans and gay people, I can tell how much fiction has offended me and my friends for a couple times. There is a particular BL manga that kind of mock transwomen, for exemple.

The fuck are you even talking about? Nobody said anywhere that not seeing problems with fictional crimes has any bearing on how those crimes should be treated in real life. You just pulled that right out of your ass, because the argument made was the complete opposite.

Oh, was it? That's funny, because I'm pretty sure when you consume this kind of works, you're contributing to the problem itselfーthat's why I don't read any kind of loli and shota worksー, but then again, I pulled this out of my ass. Please educate me, for I am wrong.

I'm pretty stable, thank you very much. And no need to call me names, because I'm not being unpolite here.

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Avatar_54140
joined Sep 6, 2011

As a bi woman myself, and friend of trans and gay people, I can tell how much fiction has offended me and my friends for a couple times. There is a particular BL manga that kind of mock transwomen, for exemple.

What's wrong with mocking any collective? If it is wrong for yours it would be wrong for all the others and everyone would lose that way. I'd recommend a treatment for your severe case of thin skin.

Oh, was it? That's funny, because I'm pretty sure when you consume this kind of works, you're contributing to the problem itselfーthat's why I don't read any kind of loli and shota worksー, but then again, I pulled this out of my ass. Please educate me, for I am wrong.

So you'd buy them if they didn't contribute to the problem? Are you a potential pedo? Don't you see how twisted this kind of argumentation is?

I'm pretty stable, thank you very much. And no need to call me names, because I'm not being unpolite here.

You are being fallacious and dishonest with your arguments and so far no one called you names.

joined Jan 14, 2020

I'm pretty sure when you consume this kind of works, you're contributing to the problem itself

What's your evidence for believing that?

You challenge people to refute a claim you haven't supported or justified in the first place.

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joined Aug 2, 2020

What's wrong with mocking any collective? If it is wrong for yours it would be wrong for all the others and everyone would lose that way. I'd recommend a treatment for your severe case of thin skin.

Heaens, why am I still here? I'll pretend I didn't read this.

So you'd buy them if they didn't contribute to the problem? Are you a potential pedo? Don't you see how twisted this kind of argumentation is?

Excuse me? What part of "I don't read" you didn't understand? Also, I've sold many of comics I owned because they depicted pedophilia in a way or another, even though it wasn't the main focus.

You are being fallacious and dishonest with your arguments and so far no one called you names.

Okay, I read wrong and the person didn't call me "Tippers." Whoops, my bad.

I'm not dumb. Or perhaps am I? Because I don't know why am I still here trying to argue with people who can't accept different points of view. I'm done here, peace out. ✌

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joined Aug 2, 2020

What's your evidence for believing that?

Pedophilia is a major problem here in Brazil. I see it practically everyday on news. The most recent one: https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-americas/2020/08/case-of-10-year-olds-abortion-in-brazil-further-polarizes-the-country/

Also, pedophilia is one of the most searched tags on porn websistes, especially here in Brazil.

Blanksmall
joined Nov 24, 2017

Pardon me for not believing a word that a site affiliated with the Catholic Church says.

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joined Sep 6, 2011

Heaens, why am I still here? I'll pretend I didn't read this.

I'd recommend you do a bit of research about how the free speech doesn't mean much without the right to offend.

Excuse me? What part of "I don't read" you didn't understand? Also, I've sold many of comics I owned because they depicted pedophilia in a way or another, even though it wasn't the main focus.

You don't read them because it contributes to the problem but would do otherwise? Selling your comics instead of disposing of them doesn't contribute to the problem? It is a reduction to absurdity fallacy. Pretty much what you do.

Okay, I read wrong and the person didn't call me "Tippers." Whoops, my bad.

Whatever is wrong with that? Aren't you all in for sexual freedom?

I'm not dumb. Or perhaps am I? Because I don't know why am I still here trying to argue with people who can't accept different points of view. I'm done here, peace out. ✌

Sorry sweet but the one not accepting other points of view is you.

Also, pedophilia is one of the most searched tags on porn websistes, especially here in Brazil.

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joined Aug 2, 2020

Pardon me for not believing a word that a site affiliated with the Catholic Church says.

Just Google about it. A LOT of sites talked about this, I just copied the first link because, sorry, I'm busy with work. And pardon me for living in Brazil. Most of things you read about my country are related to religion at some extent, smh.

But here, an article for you: https://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1809-43412013000200002

And also The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/17/brazil-protest-abortion-recife-hospital

You're welcome.

Yuu
joined Mar 28, 2015

Maybe pedophilia is a huge problem in Brazil, but I can't see how it relates to Japanese works of fiction. It's the same kind of reasoning that blames video games and metal music for just about anything that goes wrong in today's youth. Or is it the 5G towers?

And most of the things I read about Brazil in the news these days is how they are dying from Covid in droves and their government doesn't give a shit, and are somehow even proud of it. I'm not sure it's related to religion though. Just to stupidity (which is not incompatible, mind you).

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joined Jan 14, 2020

What's your evidence for believing that?

Pedophilia is a major problem here in Brazil. I see it practically everyday on news. The most recent one: https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-americas/2020/08/case-of-10-year-olds-abortion-in-brazil-further-polarizes-the-country/

Also, pedophilia is one of the most searched tags on porn websistes, especially here in Brazil.

"Correlation is not causation". Especially here, where if your claims are true, the obvious explanation is that Brazil has a lot of pedophiles, who search for it and act on it, not that pedophile porn causes pedophilia.

Your original claim was "I'm pretty sure when you consume this kind of works, you're contributing to the problem itself", so you would have to provide evidence that e.g. reading lolicon manga contributes to pedophilia. Or back on topic, that reading about prostitution... causes prostitution?

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joined Aug 19, 2018

God, seeing how crazy these comments can get astounds me. You go through some cute, fluffy yuri and a lot of the comments are unified in agreeing that it's cute and fluffy, with a maybe like one or two stragglers. Then you get to this one that has prostitution, and suddenly you see a bunch of arguments and things that have nothing tk do with the story itself. It's scary, but I'm nkt complaining 'cause it's pretty funny

joined May 11, 2018

This was pathetic.

Pooooog103139
joined Nov 12, 2020

Jesus christ, this forum is such a shit show...So many 'all-accepting free spirits' here and there, as usual, not regarding anyone else' but one's own opinions and idiots still responding to such hypocrisy, this shit would've been over if one party was smart and decided to stop replying knowing that there won't be any use arguing kek.

shit like this ruins the whole mood even if it was just after another normal fluffy yuri, sheesh...this story does touch upon obviously sensitive topics, and anyone who thinks the world is going to accept their 'completely logical, true, right, smart and what-should-be-accepted-by-the-modern-society' opinions are just daydreaming idiots who see the world as their utopia, stop being so self-centered and try figuring out that every person is not a mental-clone of yours' genius.

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joined Nov 14, 2016

Jesus christ, this forum is such a shit show...So many 'all-accepting free spirits' here and there, as usual, not regarding anyone else' but one's own opinions and idiots still responding to such hypocrisy, this shit would've been over if one party was smart and decided to stop replying knowing that there won't be any use arguing kek.

shit like this ruins the whole mood even if it was just after another normal fluffy yuri, sheesh...this story does touch upon obviously sensitive topics, and anyone who thinks the world is going to accept their 'completely logical, true, right, smart and what-should-be-accepted-by-the-modern-society' opinions are just daydreaming idiots who see the world as their utopia, stop being so self-centered and try figuring out that every person is not a mental-clone of yours' genius.

Tell me about it.....

Images
joined Aug 19, 2018

Jesus christ, this forum is such a shit show...So many 'all-accepting free spirits' here and there, as usual, not regarding anyone else' but one's own opinions and idiots still responding to such hypocrisy, this shit would've been over if one party was smart and decided to stop replying knowing that there won't be any use arguing kek.

shit like this ruins the whole mood even if it was just after another normal fluffy yuri, sheesh...this story does touch upon obviously sensitive topics, and anyone who thinks the world is going to accept their 'completely logical, true, right, smart and what-should-be-accepted-by-the-modern-society' opinions are just daydreaming idiots who see the world as their utopia, stop being so self-centered and try figuring out that every person is not a mental-clone of yours' genius.

Tell me about it.....

Okay, here goes round 2..........

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