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Why is it that people you’d expect to be OK with (or at least familiar with) the fluidity and ambiguity of genders and sexualities in real life become obsessive about rigid categories in fictional stories where authors are free to use fantasy/supernatural/imaginative elements to jumble those categories up even more?
Because het and men are evil and should be purge. Dynasty is safe space for yuri fans. Didn't you already learn it reading forum comments?
Let's tag it yaoi then.
pseudo-historical?Well, there is a
Fake historytag.
I was making joke on psuedo-incest but later I did think fake history would fit better. Had no idea we actually have tag like that though.
There’s no part of human history that can’t be improved with an overlay of cute Japanese girls.
There's nothing that can't be improved with addition of cute girls.
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Thirdly I really don't like how condescending this whole post is you're acting like I only defended what Yikuph was saying and Darui because I was uninformed, did you ever consider that just maybe I have a different opinion than you on what is considered "pressuring"?
Except even staff considered their posts going over the line and taking a track record of a lot of people posting on dynasty with barely reading anything past few posts or at all, the option of you simply not reading previous comments was more likely. I was actually being polite since I considered your posts a honest mistake.
"the discussion is turning into a manipulative dialogue of either:
1. Update the series, circumstances and real life be damned
2. Give up the series"Literally nobody here is doing this, nor is anyone "fishing for people to back them up" unless you literally are drmario there's no reason to get so pissy about people simply asking about a series and then thinking about alternative ways to keep reading while drmario is busy, also you haven't seen Darui's work so no you can't say the quality would not be "satisfactory"
Ok if you are not going to even read past posts to see for yourself whatever someone is pressuring scanlators or not, you shouldn't be responding or actively defending anyone. I let it slide the first time, but you did it again.
What's the deal no one continuing translation?
That doesn't really sound too pleasant. Something like "Is this series dropped?" would be much better, but even if you don't find this one offensive then...
If the current group won't continue translating they should let everyone know it's okay to continue. So anyone can pick it up the translation.
That is blatant pressuring group to either hurry up and drop it so someone else can work on it. And especially not good coming from someone who don't even want to pick it up, but rather just want to read more for free. Also remember we kinda have a rule against pestering groups about new releases etc. but if you don't think that count...
Not pressuring, I simply want to know if they gave up translation already or are they going to make me wait another half year for another chapter.
...then this one should have you cover. Sure. Totally not complaining and pressuring scanlators at all.
Okay that's pressuring (not what I intended) but it's not that fucking rude, stop being a prude ass. It's reasonable for reader to wonder what happen with translation especially series this good and the raw is gotten so far. Again I am not trying to get disrespectful to the translator. I'm just casual reader wondering what happens with translation.
Yea, not rude at all, except it was. You don't know what "prude" means. You (and Rosenakahara) are right. It is reasonable to politely ask for any update on series. But you weren't polite. You actively pushed for group to either respond saying they will hurry up or drop series on the spot so someone else can work on it, so you don't have to wait longer for it and read it as soon as possible. That is pretty ungrateful and inpatient of you.
So Rosenakahara next time you try to defend anyone, at least read what they actually posted, because Yikuph is doing exactly what Meursault said, while being totally blind to how entitled they were acting.
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This reminds me of a manga where as a kid the main character hung out with this woman and her husband and fell in love with the woman, probably jokingly he told the main character (knowing about her crush) to take care of his wife if he died because he'd rather her have her than some man.
Eventually he did died and the main character and the woman started a relationship, most of the rest of the story was them figuring out the transition from their old relationship to their new one.
That sounds interesting, do you perhaps remember the tittle?
pseudo-historical ?
A crime is a crime no matter how cutely drawn it is. And no matter how beautiful the woman is, a predator is a predator. Period.
And no matter how realistic fiction is, it is still fiction.
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how do you guys get these insights?
do you read alot? watch lots of dramas? experience? or just high EQ?
I read/watch a lot and like to think about stuff.
Happy Sugar Life first ep was actually good, the op,the ed and the voice actors (Hanakana :3) were all great, and the animiation and the facial expressions were nice, the only thing that bothered me was the ending spoiler at the beginning, why do directors (or whoever is in charge of this) have this annoying habit of spoiling the ending in the first minutes of a show?! what do they gain by this i wonder.
I actually read the manga long ago and nearly forgot everything that happened, did that scene happen in the manga or are they going for an Anime-Original ending?
Most likely to hook you on the series as fast as possible. In the current times unless you catch audience attentions literally the second show starts, you risk of people not even reaching half of the episode.
Thank you my friend, you sure have enlightened me. Thank you.
No problem. You're welcome.
I don't see anything similar to a love confession, not to mention a confession directed towards Kaoru. I simply view it as if Uta was just letting it go and not keeping it to herself.
But this. Head to page 30 and 31.
U: (making sad face)
U: Kaoru-san.
U: (thought) I'm sorry.This does NOT mean Uta has confessed. Maybe she apologized because she couldn't follow Kaoru's advice? Just saying.
Well I know this scene is up to interpretation, but honestly. The whole problem is that if Uta confessed to her sister-in-law it will turn their family life upside down. If she is rejected, they still have to live together, if she is accepted, she basically made Kaoru cheat/divorce with Reiichi and again make their family as it is right now fall apart. She doesn't want it to happen because in either situation the status quo will change and she will be feeling guilty about it. Confessing won't lead to anything good and it will be very selfish of her. And in light of all of that the person she fallen in love tells her to confess anyway. So after being comforted by her, she finds courage to do something she was avoiding all this time, confess. She pushes her warm, hugging hand, she looks determinate into her eyes. She is about to confess. Her thinking "I'm sorry" most likely refers to the fact, that by doing so she will ruin everything. She will ruin her life, Kaoru's life, Reiichi's life. Nothing will be the same again. The fact confessing is a terrible idea didn't change. But she is going to do it anyway, and so she is apologizing for deciding to being selfish despite her better judgment. "I'm sorry for doing this to you". You are right, there was no confession, because the scene of confession was cut out. There is also possibility instead of confessing with words, Uta actually kissed Kaoru which is why she is later touching her lips after finally giving up pretence. Which can also be next or additional meaning of Uta saying "I'm sorry".
Now turn to Chapter 15, Page 08. Kaoru saw some suspicious things. Who knows if it's Uta's diary (or diaries)? Just saying :v
It isn't. It is clearly shown on the next page. Uta had a bunch of books about universities with dorms, making it clear Uta plans to leave the house. That is exactly why Kaoru brings it up to her later. Hell Uta actually realizes she knows about it because of looking at her desk:
U: "... Wait a minute. Did you look at my desk?"
K: "Ah.. I'm sorry. I just happened to see a study guide lying on your desk..."
So much for re-reading those chapters looking for details, when you missed something that is blatantly mentioned in the dialogue.
At page 18 we see a slightly disturbed Uta after she knows Kaoru has checked her table. Big Sis is Watching ya. This fortifies my theory above.
No it doesn't. And she is more sad than disturbed. She wanted to leave house without anyone knowing so she wanted to keep it secret. The fact Kaoru noticed it puts Uta in very bad spot, especially after how she confessed last time, making her reason obvious and making it awkward. And that is exactly what happens. Kaoru says Uta still can stay with them, as she was until now, which surprised her, but immediately after it she puts a worried face and thanks her. She feels guilty, because Kaoru tries to act as if nothing changed, but Uta knows it won't last. Remember that until this point Uta did not try to leave house. She tried to suppress her feelings and make it work. But now that she confessed, she knows she can't stay here so she is in hurry to leave.
Also next thing you missed on the same page. Kaoru asks about charm and Uta answers she bought 1 for academic achievement. Kaoru is about to say she thought she will buy different one, most likely love charm, but she holds back and very quickly changes topic. You could say Kaoru thought that would be something that teenager her age would rather buy, but then remembered she is in love with married person so she felt it would be awkward to say and hold back, but I personally feel it was because Uta confessed. Kaoru wanted to make that innocent comment, but then remembered mid sentence she is Uta's love interest and realized how her saying it would be ultra awkward, so she stopped midway and quickly changed topic to something else, to cover her slip up. Which made her unwittingly mention the first thing that came to mind without realizing consequences of saying it. She brought looking for university because it was probably on her mind since she saw it, but forgot it will give away she was looking around Uta's room which can make Uta feel angry. And the reason I'm pretty sure Uta confessed is, because when Uta says how she doesn't want to be burden and leave the house, Kaoru only repeats that she shouldn't worry about it and she can stay. Kaoru was never against Uta living here, in fact she was perfectly fine with it and Uta knew it. There was no real reason for Uta to leave, especially in hurry. But now Uta suddenly wants to leave very fast saying she is a burden. Something had to change. Kaoru doesn't ask why she wants to leave or tell her she is not a burden. She only reminds her that she can stay. To me it clearly tells me, that Kaoru is both aware that burden Uta mentioned is her feelings for her and that the reason she is in such hurry is that she realizes that her feelings can only make Kaoru uncomfortable. Kaoru doesn't try to convince Uta to stay because Kaoru understands how complicated the situation is, but because she doesn't want to turn her back to Uta, she still at least reassured her she can still stay here despite the confession.
"Well, if THE PERSON is as ORDINARY as what I imagined..."
So "She should have fallen in love with someone MORE INTERESTING, instead of a boring person like me" is not so right. She hopes for someone as ORDINARY as her imagination, right? "Ordinary" in this context should be understood as "morally correct" instead of "normal and boring".
I already explained it to Onyx, and you get it more or less correct. It isn't as much about being boring or interesting. It is about common and uncommon scenarios. Falling for teacher in your school or for a co-worker in your work place are common (normal) scenarios. Falling for your brother's wife is not something that happens all the time, so it is very uncommon (not normal) scenario. There is no real implication about it being moral or immoral.
There's one thing that contradicts OniXX's theory and mine. If she knows about the unrequited love, why making subjunctive mood? (read: "Perhaps", "Unless" and "If"). She knows about it, why speculate?
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TL;DR #2: Kaoru used "Perhaps" in her sentences. Why speculate who's Uta's love interest when you know it's you? Translation errors?
Again, I and other people already explained it and it is really easy to understand from context, even if written a bit clumsy, but fine, here I go again. After Uta confessed at the end of last chapter in w/e way (words/kiss/something else) Kaoru is pretty much in denial. She might even rejected/told Uta to act as if nothing happened after confession. So entire chapter is played out as if nothing happened, but you see subtle clues that both of them feel awkward about some subjects and are aware things are not 100% back to normal, especially with Uta's rush to leave the house, as I explained above. So Kaoru was trying to not think about it, once Uta left for work she is indulging into her fantasies. "The person she fallen for, who could it be? Maybe teacher from school? Yes that make sense! Or maybe someone from work? Yes that wouldn't be that surprising!" and after doing it for a while, she stops and basically thinks to herself "Who I'm trying to kid. She totally is in love with me." At this point she stopped trying to run away from reality and entire gravity of their situation finally sunk in.
The tense isn't really a mistranslation, it can be a bit misleading at places, but once she finally admits it all was just fantasies, it should be clear she was just in denial about Uta's feelings. I agree the sentence that mattered the most could be translated a bit different as Kaoru is very direct there. Copying myself from post you clearly didn't read:
I looked at raws again and that sentence is a bit mistranslated. It technically has the same meaning, but as we see plenty people either don't understand it or have different interpretations what she meant by it. The original line is much more direct in referring to those 2 scenarios she came up with and would go something like that "If it went according to such typical scenarios (she literally used word "wild fantasies"), we could keep being a family." with "being a family" I assume she refers to Uta leaving house and breaking the current family apart, as in, even if she leaves they are still family, but she would destroy the family as they are right now.
I'm honestly tired of having to repeat myself every 2 pages. In case you don't agree with me, group's translator actually agrees with my interpretation of this chapter. So it is pretty much confirmed something happened between them during trip and Kaoru is now aware of Uta's feelings.
Not to mention he's a cheater, which is, in my opinion, unacceptable.
That actually is not confirmed so far. He clearly is hiding something from Kaoru and is afraid/doesn't want her to know about it. He actually was about to tell her, when he thought he doesn't have other option, but because she had/faked short memory lose, he felt like he got away with it and never brought it up again. And again when Kaoru tried to confront him about it, he cut conversation off at the first chance he got. He is not innocent and he has some secret, but we don't really know what it is.
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Can I safely assume none of you are rolling for Da-vinci? I kinda wanted to run a meme arts team with her + Nero at the summer event, and none of my friends have her.
Yea, wasn't really interested in her. Tried 1 ticket, got some 3 star CE trash.
I have been earning and spending resources so fast it feels as if I was playing an RTS.
I was fine for the longest of time, but recently I dropped so many servants, especially 5 stars and I was finally investing in maxing a lot of skills of servants I use/like so I finally almost run out of QP.
Also, I can double Waver meme now yaaaaayy
Nice. I could do it since a long time though x3
I need a QP donation
Same T__T
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I'd honestly be happy if the whole one-word character description thing died off anyway, given how much it encourages stereotyping characters and not looking deeper into them.
Yea, 100% agree with that.
But alas, that ain't ever gonna happen.
Sadly.
No, the thing that put people off is the other questionable decision they did- making a completely new scenario for the anime. Apparently the mindset was that it would cater to both newcomers to the series and viewers familiar with the source material. For the former, it was supposed to pique their interest enough to make them want to play the game or read the manga; while for the latter the all new scenario was supposed to surprise them and intrigue them.
I heard they decided to not just follow game's plot faithfully, which can be seen as a actually good idea as you said above and I heard it being recommended for that exact reason. I had no idea the anime ended up being pretty rushed and not many people liked their approach to the series. Also lol, only 10 episodes? For Fate anime? Wtf?
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I always assumed that one of the classic tsundere models was the female lead from Love Hina, and oh BOY was she all about the hitting and abusing. Was there a classic model prior to that?
Not that I'm a big fan of the abusive tsundere model or anything, and it sucks that a generation of lazy writers have used tsundere as an entire character description rather than a trait. But still, I think at least slapstick violence has been pretty common in the idea all along.
You got a point. Admittedly I don't really know all the details and I just kinda heard about this idea briefly. It sounded reasonable, so I just went with it, but now that you mentioned it, I totally forgot about Love Hina and it does complicate things a bit. Not only it is older than most examples I could give, in fact the rabbit hole goes deeper as you even have Rumiko Takahashi's works like Urusei Yatsura and Ranma ½ which had similar characters. And there are probably other ones I don't know about. They are comedy focused series though and I suppose the "hitting you because you said/did something slightly off or misunderstanding" is supposed to be funny (for me it usually wears down very fast), so violence being exaggerated was the point, but I guess they do count as the first seeds of idea of tsunderes.
There are examples more in line what I was talking about though. I never saw Asuka from Evangelion as tsundere, but she supposedly is so she would count as the most realistic example. You have characters like Rin from Fate, Taiga from Toradora and Shana from Shakugan no Shana who are more about verbal abuse and if there was any physical one, it wasn't too extreme and character would tone down in general with time. Louise from Zero no Tsukaima, while in general fitting with the rest, was a bit different from what I remember in the fact that despite her and Saitou clearly loving each other they still shoehorned all other girls into his harem and make other girls go for him so he is constantly put into situations that make Louise angry, so even if she did warm up to him with time, the violence didn't really go down from what I remember. And Zero no Tsukaima was more a comedy anime as well, so next thing differentiating it from the rest.
What link all those though is the fact characters are always fleshed out. They are never tsunderes first, whatever second. I can't really say how much characters in those comedy series were fleshed out because I either didn't see them or I don't remember. So I guess in the end they all count as tsundere, just one version is more for comedy and other is more for serious stories, but with time they merged together and created the current default tsundere which constantly flips between showering you with love and wanting to kill you for your insolence. Because if they didn't, we couldn't get all the "comedy", right? And of course new authors instead on focusing first on developing their characters and then make them fit to be tsunderes, they just copied the superficial traits and didn't give theirs characters any thought. Hence we got the flood of generic tsunderes.
I'd be inclined to say that ignoring those comedy series, the first proper tsundere was Asuka from Evangelion. Maybe there is some character that is older than her that is also well developed, but well, I don't know them. I'm saying that, because one thing I'm at least sure is that, Hideaki Anno created deadpan character stereotype by accident with character of Rei. She was meant to be creepy. Her lack of emotions was supposed to be off putting. Yet somehow people loved it and she become one of the most favorite anime characters of all time. So if Asuka was first tsundere and then idea of tsundere was twisted beyond recognition, it would be pretty fitting irony.
She's a classic tsundere, no hitting, no abusing at all
How is that a classic tsundere?
The idea is actually not that bad, it could have potential.
Well, the classic before they make the "hitting and abusing" tsundere classic. Gosh I miss them
xP
Joking aside, I understand what you mean completely. Tsundere originally was supposed to be hostile towards mc and only after warming up to them and falling for them, they would show them their genuine loving side. It of course still could happen rarely and take a lot effort and embarrassment from tsundere, but at this point she would visibly become nicer to mc. Sadly somewhere along the line the version where she constantly flips between loving and hating become popular and we are stuck with it as default.
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I feel like nobody really saw this Fate... is weird
Nobody saw it because they choose male MC instead of female and they even went out of their way to show we could get female MC but they killed her off in first episode.
Which is weird because even in japan the female MC is universally the more popular option by far, I guess they just didn't want to show 2 female leads kissing.
Male self insert is just too important. They probably didn't want to risk turning it into yuri and scaring off majority of their male fanbase.
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She's a classic tsundere, no hitting, no abusing at all
How is that a classic tsundere?
The idea is actually not that bad, it could have potential.
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I feel like nobody really saw this Fate... is weird
Nobody saw it because they choose male MC instead of female and they even went out of their way to show we could get female MC but they killed her off in first episode.
This is also an NTR
At least you see a clue to the beginning.
You have very weird definition of NTR. Did you perhaps have some trauma? Did you talk to someone about it?
But tags are not changed, especially the het.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/present#31
Are those halos? How fitting.
Oh wow. Nice! Never noticed it.
Didn't even try with Blue Oni since I'd need to use bean to negate dmg resistance, so there was no way I could get enough dmg to kill him. Tried against Red but he turned out to be way too hard, even more than green. He was really aggressive, often hitting 3 times and criting pretty often, always one 2 times in a row every run. Using just arts and quick cards didn't deal enough dmg and I couldn't rely on crits to make up for it, since he lowers them down, so I ended up starting with buster, even thought it was weak, because bonus dmg still made up for it. Despite that I still failed to deal enough dmg and with how aggressive he was I never could last all turns. Also burn was really annoying as well as it was even more passive dmg + it made guts useless. I could remove it once, but in rare chance I'd survived second np, burn would destroy me. So I deemed it impossible and gave up. At best I got him to around 1,5m.
Have fun nuking Camelot with mah Artemis lol. I'll try to not cheese "him" when the time comes.
I have Artemis too, but since she is 4/4/6 I figured it is better to put my pimped Euryale instead.
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