Having finished reading the "last" chapter of WAHNW, i fail to see where the yuri part is. I mean, yeah, the older sister might have a thing with Yeonsoo, but the main ship of Dahye x Yeonhwa did not sail. It was less of a yuri manhwa and more of a teenage crime scene investigation. lel

You're wrong, people called it GL not yuri. Best manhwa I ever read.

Yikuph posted:

GL not yuri.

And the difference is?

No difference. Because OP asking silly questions kind like 'what is yuri?'

No difference. Because OP asking silly questions kind like 'what is yuri?'

Boi, I'm about to roast the shit out of you, internet bellend wanking warrior. Nowhere in my post is there any piece of text that could be interpreted that way. I love the manhwa, don't get me wrong. The BDSM shit was fucking nice. All I was saying is that there is not much yuri in it. Basically, no ships sailed at the end ya cumbag.

Triggered hahahahaah

You said you fail you see yuri. Not even triggered, just found it silly how you trying to decide what is yuri and what's not.

You said you fail you see yuri. Not even triggered, just found it silly how you trying to decide what is yuri and what's not.

I was the one triggered lol. And does it count as yuri if there is no ship? I mean, some actions that were taken were yuri as shit, but in the end, no one really got together with anyone.

You said you fail you see yuri. Not even triggered, just found it silly how you trying to decide what is yuri and what's not.

I was the one triggered lol. And does it count as yuri if there is no ship? I mean, some actions that were taken were yuri as shit, but in the end, no one really got together with anyone.

^It's still yuri.

what utter trash, schoolgirl prison fantasy

what utter trash, schoolgirl prison fantasy

This was one nasty piece of work. I'm not usually one to insist that a work have a "moral center" or some character the audience admires, but this just seemed vile.

I agree. This is one of those things that I finished and really regretted reading. It's not just that the message was dark, it's that there didn't seem to be any kind of meaning at all. It was just an awful story about awful people.

There can be lots of kinds of entertainment to be had from a dark series. Like in Murcielago, exploring the depths of Kuroki's depravity is interesting. But this was just... irritating.

Pretty sure that was entirely intentional on the author's part. To me the story parsed as a deliberately ruthless deconstruction of a number of (only too often one way or another romanticising) tropes relating to both bullying and "psychopatic" personality disorders, particularly as regards how the latter are wont to affect other people.

It also seemed to have a fair bit to say about poor parenting and generally adult indifference/obliviousness...

Deliberate or not, it was simply unpleasant to read. I don't read much manwha, but I'd say that any "deconstruction" was pointless. One of the first things I notice reading Korean comics is that the authorities are always presented as completely worthless. Women can be raped in broad daylight with a dozen witnesses and nobody even suggests going to the police. Or if they do go to the police, the rapist will somehow get off with a warning. Bullying at schools is presented similarly, with the school authorities completely unwilling or unable to do anything about even the most obvious of bullies.

Such a deconstruction as this (though even calling it that is too generous) amounts to nothing more than exaggerating something that is already so hyperbolic as to be absurd. These are aspects of these comics that readers are forced to willingly ignore in order to get any kind of enjoyment out of them, and this series decided to just be entirely about the garbage without anything worthwhile to balance it out.

School authorities being ignorant of and/or turning a blind eye to sometimes even quite extreme bullying is an entirely real and universal problem though. Gotten the impression the common East Asian cultural fixation with conformity and keeping up appearances doesn't help one bit there, either. (Eg. Yang Dahye's "honor student" facade was a pretty major plot point through much of the story IIRC.)

It's certainly a deconstruction of certain forms of "bully revenge" fantasies and "heroic sociopath" type tropes, though. Also a psychological horror story with no small degree of social commentary thrown in which themes often go together anyway.

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It’s hard to specify the difference between series with dark themes and extreme characters where the work seems to know what it’s doing and ones where it seems as if shit’s just getting thrown around.

I’m unwilling to look at this one more closely to see if my impression that it’s the latter might be mistaken.

It's much too meticulously crafted to be the latter.

It's much too meticulously crafted to be the latter.

I meant thematically and conceptually—but again, having tried chunks of it twice, I’m not going back there to see if I’m being unfair.

It's definitely not a comfortable read.

It's definitely not a comfortable read.

On that we are agreed.

im glad i read serenade before this