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WANT MOREEEEE!! when is the next issue? really just can't wait for it >A<)/

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joined Apr 16, 2012

damn what a nice chapter if there will be anime of this manga i will watch this even if it is a hentai i will watch this ... please let the next chapter come fast:)

Rsz_1rsz_1rsz_1girls_from_fate_stay_night
joined Aug 30, 2013

I've been thinking about this that Mei will really look like a guy if her hair was cut short.

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joined Jan 2, 2014

Lol so it wasn't only me who thought she might get run over.

yeah I was like wait parking lot + somewhat yandere girl =bad

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Images
joined Apr 4, 2012

wow this is really going the cliche route. too bad it was good at the start.

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joined Jun 17, 2014

Mei: "For sisters... This is just normal right?"
she just wants it from yuzu X3

Sdfsd
joined May 21, 2013

I used to think so too until I stopped taking it seriously. Just pretend there's a comedy tag! It's a lot more fun that way.

My eyes have been opened.

Random Reader
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joined Nov 30, 2011

I come back from a week long vacation and find that Lemonade ends without any lemonade, Teppu gets added, Baggata Way gets a new chapter and some character growth, and then Citrus gets an update. After spending all day packing, driving from LA to San Fransisco in a UHUAL truck up I-5, and then upacking, I'd say this is a pretty good end to that vacation.

Now to the point. While Teppu's characters are all fully capable of being future serial killers and rapists, Mei is currently the reigning sexual predator and I get the feeling that Citrus is all about making her a human being capable of being a decent member of society and the human species. Matsui is just there to aid in dragging us over the hot, burning coals the author has so kindly set out for us.

Ghost in the Shell
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joined Jul 30, 2013

Yup, Matsui is a means to an end, no doubt. One might assume the usual dragging out the story, but how about this:
Perhaps she is actually intentionally trying to force Mei as well as Yuzu to come to terms with their feelings? I know, I know, chances are very slim and I wouldn't bet on it myself, but I could imagine in the end it plays out as "Yeah, I never really wanted Yuzu for myself, I just wanted to agitate you two so much that you finally speak your feelings."
From what we saw her dealing with the one girl when Matsui was introduced that would fit. Her, unorthodoxly, taking care of other's love lives.

Then again, with the weird and sometimes totally illogical character development in this story I might overthink this...

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joined Apr 8, 2014

Huh. This was an interesting chapter that brought up a few odd points. I was going to start by saying what I thought of Matsuri's character and wondering why people hate her so much, but then Cryssoberyl said most of it for me, so I'll just quote them.

When I first read the RAWs for this chapter (read as in "looked at the pretty pictures") I thought Mei was badass and that Matsuri was just an annoying bitch but reading the translation I have to say that I agree with Matsuri to some extent. Until now Mei has been using Yuzu for her own comfort and didn't give a damn about her feelings. Hopefully that'll change in the next chapters and Mei starts fighting for Yuzu's love.

I think we can definitely say that Mei realizes she's legitimately attracted to Yuzu, both physically and emotionally. But the thing is...

For Mei, sexuality is a tool. It's a useful means of getting what she wants. She went along with the male teacher in order to protect the school. She repeatedly uses sexual gestures toward Yuzu as a way of getting her to do what Mei wants, whether kissing her to keep her quiet or attempting to seduce her to ensure she remains a source of comfort. And the same thing just happened again. Faced off against Matsuri, Mei uses her sexuality as a bludgeon to send a message to Matsuri about what belongs to her.

So even though Mei is truly attracted to Yuzu, with one exception she's only been able to employ it as a kind of bargaining chip for Yuzu's attention. The exception is the kiss at the end of chapter 8. There was no artifice or planning behind what happened there, it was spontaneous, on both sides. Mei was overtaken by genuine desire, and you see her own reaction to it. She's startled.

I don't know how she ended up like this - maybe it was the affair with the teacher, or maybe something earlier - but that's how Mei sees sexuality right now, as a means to an end. Hopefully Yuzu can help her back toward a healthier and more fulfilling sexuality. I have confidence in her.

Thanks as always for the hard work, Yuri Project.

Beyond that, one of the odd things I noticed was Matsuri has been, essentially, extremely honest with Yuzu. Certainly, she's been maninpulative, but if anything she's shown a lack of filters and subtlety in what she's told Yuzu.
She wants a date? She tells Yuzu to go on a date with her.
She's jealous of Mei? She tells Yuzu she can't accept Mei taking her place in Yuzu's life.
She's in love with and sexually attracted to Yuzu? That is exactly what she tells her.
Even her attempts to drive a wedge between Mei and Yuzu have been based on truth. Mei really does use sexuality as a tool and she really has been taking advantage of Yuzu's kindness to gain comfort for her self.
Out of all of this, Matusuri's behavior has been almost commendable. If she really does love Yuzu, and I have no reason to think she doesn't, then I wouldn't expect her to give up at the first sign of trouble and she hasn't. But, more importantly, her tactics have been mostly on the up and up. She hasn't resorted to violence, hasn't lied or started spreading roomers or even tried blackmail. The worst thing she's done, so far, is kiss Yuzu without her permission, which is admittedly bad, but Mei has gone much further than that and Matusuri's rightly noticed that it's a tactic that Yuzu seems to respond too. She actually forms a rather interesting mirror to Mei. While one of them looks bright and upstanding on the outside, she's pretty twisted on the inside. Conversely, the other happily looks degenerate, but seems to be pretty upstanding when it really counts.

At the moment, I'm predicting she'll go to Yuzu and say "See, this is what that girl you love is really like. She's just using you. Please love me instead." Although, she'll probably be much more manipulative about it.

The other odd thing also comes courtesy of Matsuri. Up until meeting Mei, she was, apparently, straight. After getting a rather adult kiss from Mei, she seems to have done a complete 180. It could just be that she had never met anyone she was attracted to before then (poor Matsuri), but that would seem to run counter to her reaction to the teacher in the beginning. I wonder if there's anything too that.

I'm not sure what Matsuri can realistically do with this picture.

  • Showing it to Yuzu wouldn't accomplish much. Yuzu already saw Mei casually using her sexuality, so it won't be news to her. If anything, it might actually make Yuzu wants to help more to rid Mei of this habit. Even if Matsuri is going to try and misrepresent what happened, Yuzu is still going to listen to Mei's version before doing anythging.
  • Blackmailing Mei probably wouldn't work. She'd just brush it off with a "do whatever you want, I don't care".
  • Releasing it has no clear benefit either. It's going to make Matusri looks bad in Yuzu's eyes, and push her toward Mei to help her deal with the fallout. And there's a good chance there'd be no fallout anyway. Mei'd just ignore it by acting her usual cold, dismissing any query from her schoolmates with a "mind your own business". Her grandfather seem to have decided to let her be a teenager for the time being as well, so no intervention from him either.

About the next chapter....

Well, I'm pretty sure that Matsuri is going to blackmail Mei. I think maybe she'll do something like: ok, I want you to push away Yuzu, don't go near her, don't even speak or look at her anymore because if you do I'll show the picture.

Because, we all know that Mei wants to take over the school so maybe if her grandfather look at the picture she's going to lose credibility or maybe Matsuri is thinking of showing it to Yuzu's mother and who knows what's going to happend if she finds out about this two.

So reading the posts of my fellow Citrus fans,I'm not so sure anymore of how Matsuri is going to use that picture, but maybe like some of quote I used maybe she is going to threaten Mei of releasing that picture in the school and maybe the news, you know how Mei's grandfather is an important person and a scandal of that size means great shame for the Aihara family, "Mei Aihara assaults minor" type of stuff, even though Matsuri only had say the truth she can be very cunning too and now I think that she is going big with that picture, after I've read the opinions of all of you and I've re-read this chapter, maybe she is going to play the victim of a supposed abuse, We know that she thought Mei was going to hit her, but either way hitting her or kissing works for her What do you guys think? Think my idea is too far-fetched ?

P.S. Also forgive me I don't know how to add the black lines over the spoilers, if anyone can tell how to do it, I will edit my comment.

I think Matsuri could just upload it on the net anonymously. Come on, she doesn't have to take all the bad remarks by uploading this anonymously and her identity is safely hidden. Only Mei will know who the culprit is and Mei will think of Matsuri. Knowing Mei, she'll ignore this until it dies down, maybe?
Matsuri would act as if nothing happened like "hell I wouldn't do that, do you have any proof?" Yuzu can't accuse her and she'll probably run to Mei to ask some gazillion questions. Why did she do that? Perhaps, gives her lecture. I reckon by doing this, Matsuri is Yuzu or Mei to each other's arms, without realizing. Maybe, "I just did it since Yuzu neechan is not honest with herself, to give her a little push."

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joined Nov 30, 2011

Yup, Matsui is a means to an end, no doubt. One might assume the usual dragging out the story, but how about this:
Perhaps she is actually intentionally trying to force Mei as well as Yuzu to come to terms with their feelings? I know, I know, chances are very slim and I wouldn't bet on it myself, but I could imagine in the end it plays out as "Yeah, I never really wanted Yuzu for myself, I just wanted to agitate you two so much that you finally speak your feelings."
From what we saw her dealing with the one girl when Matsui was introduced that would fit. Her, unorthodoxly, taking care of other's love lives.

Lol I had the same thought after finishing the latest chapter... then I had this thought ...V

Then again, with the weird and sometimes totally illogical character development in this story I might overthink this...

It's just good to know I'm not the only one thinking it cannot be that simple ;p

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joined Sep 8, 2013

All this waiting is killing me.

Fennec
joined May 28, 2012

Those two boys gonna grow up to be Yuri danshi.

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joined Feb 4, 2013

Rather than keep her as a harlot and a villain, it would be more interesting if the story actually addressed why Matsuri is so messed up in the first place. She clearly appears to have been emotionally/sexually damaged at some point in her life, and is unable to form normal relationships with people- hence her casual admittance of 'compensated dating' to Yuzu. She clearly needs help that she's not getting.

Agreed, but with two quibbles.

  1. Matsuri hasn't taken part in compensated dating. By her description, all she's done is right some smutty stories and attach appropriate pictures. That basically just makes her a freelance adult fiction author + porn search, which isn't all that bad. It's also not a particularly bad choice of side job if you're looking to make a quick buck and are creatively inclined. I mean, there's always going to be a market, the writing quality probably doesn't need to be stellar, you can reuse material, it doesn't take much time or effort, and given her stated proclivities she might just be copying pictures from her own collection.

  2. I don't think she's actually all that messed up. In fact, after Harumin, she's probably tied with the VP for second most grounded in this series. I mean the only things we've really seen her do that point to relationship issues are her side job and her manipulations. I've already said why I don't think her side job is bad and I don't think employing cunning is so bad either, though that's probably more a matter of personal taste than anything else. Beyond that, she might be a bit to attached to her old baby sitter (Yuzu), but that'll either turn out well or it'll sort itself out and she'll move on. None of that seems like she really needs help. Maybe just some better parental supervision.

I agree with you here, I personally enjoy Matsuri as a character she is indirectly direct, currently I'm more interested in her back story... as for Harumin, it might be a bit farfetched but she might provide direction to Yuzu when shit finally hits the fan(Matsuri+picture= Yuzu's reaction) seeing as she always runs to Hurumi-mom when anything "Mei related" happens to her, I also think Himeko is gonna get closure to her feelings by pushing Mei towards her feelings..... then again it's Saburo Uta he's already crushed me a couple of times so yeah... but seriously how Awesome was Mei's "with that I've taken back Yuzu's lips" line? I was seriously KYAAAAAkyaaa~ing like and idiot by myself.

joined Jan 30, 2013

May I know why the student council and the student teacher tag got removed? The first one still applies and the second one could be chapter 1 only.

Makiko
joined May 1, 2014

Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Can't wait for the next chapter!!!

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joined Jul 1, 2014

Do you guys think Yuzu's hair is actually dyed? She's never corrected anyone but she's also never said anything in response, either. Since we've never actually seen her real father, maybe he is foreign?

(Just a random thought I have when reading... re-reading... and re-re-reading this manga... over and over.)

P.S.
I love this manga. sooooo much.

P.P.S
Harumin and Glasses-senpai would make a cute couple!

last edited at Jul 1, 2014 7:20PM

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joined Jan 18, 2014

Waaaaaaaaaaaa! Can't wait for the next chapter!!!

haha yes! The wait is killing me XD.

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joined May 16, 2012

don't read the spoiler if you don't want to be spoiled

so is mei going to fuck some dude because she's being blackmail now? if so, seriously speaking hate to see character force to do something they don't want yet they would do for the sake of drama I mean love. So I guess it's either she refuse and fight back or yuzu comes and rescue her again. Anyway I have a hunch harumin onee-chan will make her debut next chapter.

Dark_Tzitzimine
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joined Dec 18, 2013

don't read the spoiler if you don't want to be spoiled

so is mei going to fuck some dude because she's being blackmail now?

What

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joined Apr 10, 2014

don't read the spoiler if you don't want to be spoiled

so is mei going to fuck some dude because she's being blackmail now?

What

O.O!

last edited at Jul 20, 2014 5:54PM

1eafaf94d436491c31016c4e6ce47819
joined May 16, 2012

don't worry I bet it won't happen, but that's the option matsuri given to her meet her "internet friends" on Christmas and stay away from yuzu or else kissing scandal posted online.

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joined Feb 1, 2013

don't read the spoiler if you don't want to be spoiled

so is mei going to fuck some dude because she's being blackmail now?

What

or is Matsuri going to have her way with Mei ? damn NTR in yuri

last edited at Jul 21, 2014 1:36PM

Rsz_1rsz_1rsz_1girls_from_fate_stay_night
joined Aug 30, 2013

I have read the raw Citrus ch 11 and not much of action but oh boy yuzu's childhood friend is so annoying. Just leave yuzu and mei alone!

last edited at Jul 26, 2014 10:19AM

joined Jul 31, 2014

Eh, is it me or is everyone else getting the English translation besides me? qq

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