Seju was drunk. Bartender took her home.
Scenario 1 - she passed out. Bartender proceeded with the sex. This was rape, not cheating, I would argue this was not even her mistake. People don't (and shouldn't) expect to get raped after a few drinks in the bar.
Scenario 2 - she in her drunk state engaged in sexual act with him. This was cheating.
And of course TG left out the details, so we can argue to death.

After seeing drunk Sumin and Nami,
I am leaning toward scenario 2 (parallelism; otherwise, Nami raped Sumin).

And I do believe they had sex, not buying the alcohol poisoning argument. If he was knowledgeable enough to warm her with his body heat, he should had called the ambulance as well, not falling asleep with her.

Foxy lady
Seju could've say no too, but end up naked with that bartender, in his arms. And yes, Sumin didn't intend to sleep with Seju that day. She went there with completely different reason. Seju used the opportunity and tricked her by using her guilt and weak heart, knowing Sungji was coming over. If I wanted to reach, I'd say there was alcohol involved and we all know how Sumin reacts to alcohol. All this, according to what you say, means Sumin did not cheat when in fact she did because as you said, she could've and should've say "no".
Seju had to invite the guy into her place and bed. Her security didn't stop her, which was pointed out by Sumin. Meaning, she had to know what she was doing. If she wasn't herself they would've never let the guy inside.

So you think me and Esoteric are the same person because what? We agree with each other and have similar pov at some point? Hm, in this case, are you and Nora the same person? Because you two have exactly the same pov.

I don't get the sleep part of your comment. I often say when I'm going to sleep or out so people won't feel ignored by me because I don't page catch if there're too many pages.

yoonie
I don't think 2 chapters are enough for Sumin to move on from Sungji back to Seju. We've seen her bad reaction when Sungji broke up with her before and I can't see Sumin doing the breaking, she's too deep.

hlama
You're forgetting the fact Seju had security who had to let the guy in. Do you really think they'd let him in with completely wasted Seju? Because I agree with what Sumin said about it - they would not.

You're forgetting the fact Seju had security who had to let the guy in. Do you really think they'd let him in with completely wasted Seju? Because I agree with what Sumin said about it - they would not

That is your pov and Sumin's pov, personally I dont agree with this, Sumin said this but this has not been proven right. Even a criminal was sentenced with guilt but years later, he is proven innocent. Sumin has accused Seju wrongly based on her own view not just one or two times already so your finality tone in this, I dont agree, like hlama said, TG never said about this incident clearly, it can be interpreted in million ways from million readers and no one would give in. You should understand others' view in this incident too because honestly, there is no one who is absolutely right in this, and if you still believe you're absolutely right, I suggest you to stop arguing, cause no one could change their mind and listen to you.

I don't think 2 chapters are enough for Sumin to move on from Sungji back to Seju. We've seen her bad reaction when Sungji broke up with her before and I can't see Sumin doing the breaking, she's too deep.

Dont be too sure about anything, wdtfs is not not a simple manhwa which you could guess its next move

Sumin is not the person who lets go, if the letting go actually happens. With Sungji, to Sumin, its not just love, its also guilt, alot of guilt. So no, Sumin wont let go.

Like I said, 2 things need to solve for SuminxSeju to go back together, Sumin's lack of trust as well as her low self-esteem and Seju's insecurities. If the last few chaps touch this issue, you'll never know the ending
SuminxSungji? There is nothing about them to solve, they're already up in their couple game, if nothing happens at the SejuxSumin's side then congrats to teamblonde fans, you got your wish xDDDDDDD

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@yoonie

hehe... I was waiting for this... and it's worth the wait. I understand. as I've mentioned here, it is a couple thing. Thank you for the explanation. It is sensible and so damn honest! Wow!... Again, thank you.

I tried my best to understand them. Not sure if I'm doing a good job or not. Tbh, wdtfs is not a manhwa where you could just stand as a reader and jugding all the characters right and wrong from your ideal view of life. Wdtfs tests with morals and beliefs so if you cant read it with an opening mindset, it'll be a waste cause you wont understand Seju or Sumin. And that's a big big shame

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Esoteric
Agree. We're all in this.

yoonie
I'm not too sure. I'm more convinced into Sumin and Sungji ending than Sumin and Seju. Aren't you too? ;)

Esoteric
Agree. We're all in this.

Sorry, deleted my comment. My turn to go to sleep now so i don't want wake up to a big argument lol

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Esoteric
Agree. We're all in this.

Sorry, deleted my comment. My turn to go to sleep now so i don't want wake up to a big argument lol

I saw it and I absolutely didnt have any intention to reply, lol, so dont worry there wont, lol.

Esoteric
Agree. We're all in this.

Sorry, deleted my comment. My turn to go to sleep now so i don't want wake up to a big argument lol

I saw it and I absolutely didnt have any intention to reply, lol, so dont worry there wont, lol.

Not sure if i should be offended or relieved ; )

Esoteric
Agree. We're all in this.

Sorry, deleted my comment. My turn to go to sleep now so i don't want wake up to a big argument lol

I saw it and I absolutely didnt have any intention to reply, lol, so dont worry there wont, lol.

Not sure if i should be offended or relieved ; )

You should go for the latter because like you said and I also know it, it would lead to sth unpleasant and I dont want that.

Esoteric
Agree. We're all in this.

Sorry, deleted my comment. My turn to go to sleep now so i don't want wake up to a big argument lol

That's OK. Good night then!

yoonie0104

You're losing your temper, Nora. Calm down :).

sorry :(

Sometimes People tend to refuse to see, believe or change their mind on something because they don't like it. You tried once, twice and still. I'd say drop it. :D

roamsl

Sometimes People tend to refuse to see, believe or change their mind on something because they don't like it. You tried once, twice and still. I'd say drop it. :D

true, it seems that it went out of hand.. and got personalised a bit

I missed seeing your comments btw.

^
Kind of you to say, but I wouldn't want to indulge myself in a torture or any unnecessarry high blood pressure. Lol

roamsl

it's a rollercoaster XDD.. mhmm 3 days left to see the real meaning of that enigmatic sentence, and probably declare the bet winner :P

Foxy lady May I ask you if you checked the official ch55 or the fan-translated one ?.. there is a panel missing in the non-official one.

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Foxy lady

Thus, they showed chap. 70. They were even crucified of "pornography" for two chapters in a row. But again, the concept of parallelism/analogy was used appealing to one's reasons in seeing the truth unsaid.

hehehe, remember when I mentioned competitiveness earlier ?

I get what you are aiming at. However, I have three points to mention:

1. Knowing lots of women who enjoy being with women sexually, going down on a girl is one of the most intimate sexual acts ever, the bottom will be in a vulnerable situation while the giver is performing an act that requires a good deal of effort even emotionally, a girl would rarely do it on someone that she doesn't like. And some would even refrain from doing it in one night stands, same applies to the receivers (specially a natural top like Sumin)
2. The last woman in ch50, was in no case going down on Sumin but it was the other way around.. Sumin was doing the service, or well, breaking it.
3. Sumin's statement to Seju in ch50 I thought was a payback and a mean of conditioning their relationship to be only about sex, so Seju would not have any other ideas.

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They were even crucified of "pornography" for two chapters in a row.

there is not a single intimate scene that doesn't show a thing beyond what meets the eyes. That's why I kept encouraging yoonie to read them.. WTH wrong with Sungji in ch69 telling Sumin to look clearly at her eh ehem

Now, the resolve I have seen in Sungji's face in chap. 83 is strong and I believe she had realized things first hand. She had witnessed, experienced, tested and she got her answer.

ah, That too, I was wondering if she really felt what I believe Sumin was feeling and thinking in ch81!
I wrote a post that I kept deleting and posting about the concept of sex as a mean to test connectivity.

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Foxy lady

That is three points: (hehe)...

sorry, I got the third point on impulse XD

1. I checked chap. 50, you were right. After all the binged reading and watching, still I am handicapped in this. hahaha

hehehe, TG are indeed two women who are into women.

The following isn't intended to be against or pro any of the teams or any character, but rather, an intuitive reading of the work and understanding the significance of the "getting caught scene", as you know, this scene was planned long before the serialisation and never really changed because of its importance. Here is one way to look at it:

The concept of sex as a manner of testing connectivity:

Team Gaji intreduced this concept in earlier chapters and used it later in another more crucial one:

ch48, you see Seju telling Nammi: "if this is what you want to try out, do it, I will play along [..]", also she said: "don't kid yourself, this doesn't change anything". Nammi did want to test this thing by saying: "aren't you in fact scared, that you might like it?" but she struck out.

• No emotional connectivity or whatsoever.

ch49, this concept is still in act, take a look at the flashback of Nammi and Sumin. "it was far worse than I thought”. The outcome was also discussed in ch65.

• No connectivity once more.

ch54, Seju:"Just once, let me do what I want.. just once, it doesn't mean anything anyways"
pay attention to her words, it hints that Sumin is always in control to a point that Seju wasn't allowed to touch Sumin the way she wanted to in the first place.. take a look at ch14: "you are pretty complaint today".

Now, do you think the sex scene between Seju and Sumin in ch54 was just to mess things up ?

First: in the past 10 years, it's the first time they do it while Sumin admitting her feelings, it's no longer animalistic or suppressed emotional wise.

Second: does it really mean nothing?
look at the position, Seju is on top. There are three messages you could get from that scene alone.

1. from Seju to Sungji "she is mine"
2. from Seju to Sumin "it DOES mean everything in every way"
3. from Seju to herself: " reclaiming.. feeling intimate one more time in 10 years".. and of course "now I know" ch57.

as for the first point: Seju looked directly into Sungji's eyes while biting Sumin's lips.

as for the second point: you could see the facial expression and no need to explain it further.

as for the third point: ch57, "I'm going to get you back"

Bottom Line
using intimacy to test feelings of one another was used in earlier chapters than in ch54. And the sex in that chapter wasn't a mere horniness, or a way to sabotage Sumin*Sungji, but also needed to prove something else to the three characters.

Foxy lady

I've been discussing this earlier with yoonie, Sungji in fact never pushed Sumin into having sex until after ch27, which is understandable given that Sungji felt the possible threat from Seju: "having sex here and there when bored", (also, her question to Sumin about whether Seju sleeps over too.. should be taken into consideration)
only then I think Sungji had to overcome her own discomfort. compare her reaction to Sumin's touch in ch25 to how eager she was in ch29

• I am more inclined to think of it as "competitiveness", "comparison" and a bit of insecurity rather than curiosity.

Note: (ch26, ch27 dealt with flashbacks, ch28 is an intro to ch29 trip)

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off topic: there is a huge parallelism in ch25 and ch8, both are Sumin's birthday by the way

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It is a phenomenon where the "imperfect and perfect" in two human beings meet. The imperfect body receives the love from a perfect soul. That force, that energy which had been from the begining coming into full circle in the end travelling in loops through time, through eternity.

it sounds like something Amy would say~

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I would question her intention of why she is being competitive with Seju. And it would lead one onto another....

ah, true true.. it won't drift from the same reasoning.

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roamsl

it's a rollercoaster XDD.. mhmm 3 days left to see the real meaning of that enigmatic sentence, and probably declare the bet winner :P

Yes. I hope you win and i won't mind being on cloud nine for a day :p

roamsl

it's a rollercoaster XDD.. mhmm 3 days left to see the real meaning of that enigmatic sentence, and probably declare the bet winner :P

Yes. I hope you win and i won't mind being on cloud nine for a day :p

You dont support me? Why? I didnt do anything wrong T~T. I'm soooo sad

You dont support me? Why? I didnt do anything wrong T~T. I'm soooo

...How could you forget about me. I am your great supporter and biggest fan :D I hardly participate in discussions here but it was mentioned several times that i'm on your side.

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You dont support me? Why? I didnt do anything wrong T~T. I'm soooo sad

I'm sure even if you lose, you'll be on cloud nine too, for a week :p

roamsl

Yes. I hope you win and i won't mind being on cloud nine for a day :p
I'm sure even if you lose, you'll be on cloud nine too, for a week :p

YES, true, that girl yoonie knows how to play and win both cases !

True Evil

How could you forget about me. I am your great supporter and biggest fan :D I hardly participate in discussions here but it was mentioned several times that i'm on your side.

your heart is with her but your mind is with me XD