ladies and gentle ladies !!

question of the day for €5,

where was Seju's hand in this picture ?
http://imgur.com/a/lnLBh

1- in Sumin's pants
2- in a slow cooker
3- in a food blender ??
€5 are on the line !

where is the snap pic I asked for? did I miss seeing it in the manhwa somewhere ?

last edited at Jun 13, 2017 11:25PM

She had both of her hands ON Sumin's pants the moment Sumin was pushing her off so to me it looks like she was opening her zipper, nothing else.

Do I need to quote TG's Q and A? The one you quoted here yesterday? :P

last edited at Jun 13, 2017 11:27PM

She had both of her hands ON Sumin's pants the moment Sumin was pushing her off so to me it looks like she was opening her zipper, nothing else.

Do I need to quote TG's Q and A? The one you quoted here yesterday? :P

so, you saw Sumin's zipper open, and you saw her topless, you saw her kissing and panting.. that's not sex!
Sungji had no right to get angry.. what's wrong with Sungji !

you saw Seju just laying in bed next to the bartender, but that's absolutly sex, she even aborted the baby !

this is my last comment on the matter.. you lost €5,
copy/ paste the QnA, TG never told you Seju's mistake clearly.. had they ? :)

last edited at Jun 13, 2017 11:32PM

where was Seju's hand in this picture ?
http://imgur.com/a/lnLBh

1- in Sumin's pants
2- in a slow cooker
3- in a food blender ??

3??....

Foxy Lady yes, it was implied, Seju has a company SO probably she could afford a food blender too to mix work and pleasure !

She had both of her hands ON Sumin's pants the moment Sumin was pushing her off so to me it looks like she was opening her zipper, nothing else.

Do I need to quote TG's Q and A? The one you quoted here yesterday? :P

so, you saw Sumin's zipper open, and you saw her topless, you saw her kissing and panting.. that's not sex!
Sungji had no right to get angry.. what's wrong with Sungji !

you saw Seju just laying in bed next to the bartender, but that's absolutly sex, she even aborted the baby !

this is my last comment on the matter.. you lost €5,

Sumin is panting from ear licking too is that considered as sex?
Seju was in bartenders arms. And as I said, TG called it her mistake. So it did happen. Nothing ambiguous about it :P and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

last edited at Jun 13, 2017 11:35PM

and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

Great, so I'm back to not trying to reply.

Sumin is panting from ear licking too is that considered as sex?
Seju was in bartenders arms. And as I said, TG called it her mistake. So it did happen. Nothing ambiguous about it :P and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

I can clearly see the point you are trying to make and i agree.

last edited at Jun 14, 2017 12:03AM

ladies and gentle ladies !!

question of the day for €5,

where was Seju's hand in this picture ?
http://imgur.com/a/lnLBh

1- in Sumin's pants
2- in a slow cooker
3- in a food blender ??
€5 are on the line !

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where is the snap pic I asked for? did I miss seeing it in the manhwa somewhere ?

You're losing your temper, Nora. Calm down :).

Sumin is panting from ear licking too is that considered as sex?
Seju was in bartenders arms. And as I said, TG called it her mistake. So it did happen. Nothing ambiguous about it :P and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

I can clearly see the point you are trying to make and i agree.

It's not that they don't see your guys' pov. They are trying to show you another dimension. Cheating is too clear for them to see, it's stupid of them not to see. They're proving another possibility.

And by the way, TG said it was a mistake but she never said it was a sexual intercourse happened between both of them. Dont be too sure of your line of thoughts. Think of other possibilities, too.

last edited at Jun 14, 2017 12:15AM

Sumin is panting from ear licking too is that considered as sex?
Seju was in bartenders arms. And as I said, TG called it her mistake. So it did happen. Nothing ambiguous about it :P and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

I can clearly see the point you are trying to make and i agree.

I'm pretty sure they see the point and maybe even agree with it, but they're trying to say there might've been a different point of view if it wasn't confirmed :)

And by the way, TG said it was a mistake but she never said it was a sexual intercourse happened between both of them. Dont be too sure of your line of thoughts. Think of other possibilities, too.

The thing is it was her only mistake. And connected to the alcohol. I can't see TG talking about anything else - Seju stopped drinking afterwards.

Sumin is panting from ear licking too is that considered as sex?
Seju was in bartenders arms. And as I said, TG called it her mistake. So it did happen. Nothing ambiguous about it :P and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

I can clearly see the point you are trying to make and i agree.

Are you 2 related Izz , Es0teric or the same person with different users ?

People define "cheating", or to be more specific (sex) in different ways. So, correct me if Im wrong, you guys seem to be from the group of people that defines sex as "Penetration", and "Penetration"only. Anything other than that is not ? O_o

• cough * so straight * cough *

As for Seju "Cheating" or not , with the bartender, Its still not clear. Im sure this point will be explained in the final chapters. Only then we can have a real conversation, as nothing about this is 100% clear.

last edited at Jun 14, 2017 12:28AM

Sumin is panting from ear licking too is that considered as sex?
Seju was in bartenders arms. And as I said, TG called it her mistake. So it did happen. Nothing ambiguous about it :P and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

I can clearly see the point you are trying to make and i agree.

Are you 2 related Izz , Es0teric or the same person with different users ?

People define "cheating", or to be more specific (sex) in different ways. So, correct me if Im wrong, you guys seem to be from the group of people that defines sex as "Penetration", and "Penetration"only. Anything other than that is not ? O_o

cough so straight cough

No, we're not related.

Who brought Seju fingering Sumin as a prove that Sumin cheated on Sungji? ;) not me. Or Seju being cuddled by the guy instead of having sex? Not me again ;)

Foxy lady
Going to the bar, getting drunk and ending up in bed, naked, with a guy. Even yoonie said the cheating is clear. And I still don't think we'll go back to that event.

last edited at Jun 14, 2017 12:33AM

Sumin is panting from ear licking too is that considered as sex?
Seju was in bartenders arms. And as I said, TG called it her mistake. So it did happen. Nothing ambiguous about it :P and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

I can clearly see the point you are trying to make and i agree.

It's not that they don't see your guys' pov. They are trying to show you another dimension. Cheating is too clear for them to see, it's stupid of them not to see. They're proving another possibility.

And by the way, TG said it was a mistake but she never said it was a sexual intercourse happened between both of them. Dont be too sure of your line of thoughts. Think of other possibilities, too.

Point of Izz's argument not POV of what happened. Maybe i run on a different set of English rules ; )

Foxy lady
Going to the bar, getting drunk and ending up in bed, naked, with a guy. Even yoonie said the cheating is clear. And I still don't think we'll go back to that event.

I am reading before replying. So, if you did, you must have read that I did not agree in everything. I read everything before I reply. That means I consider her argument. The point of a "mistake" and "cheating" is a semantic issue for me. That is why I've said in infidelity, the intention/s must be established.

You don't always intent to cheat and you may still end up doing it. To me the case is clear - she cheated. So did Sumin (she had no intentions to do it).

Sumin is panting from ear licking too is that considered as sex?
Seju was in bartenders arms. And as I said, TG called it her mistake. So it did happen. Nothing ambiguous about it :P and nothing you say will make me change my mind :P

I can clearly see the point you are trying to make and i agree.

It's not that they don't see your guys' pov. They are trying to show you another dimension. Cheating is too clear for them to see, it's stupid of them not to see. They're proving another possibility.

And by the way, TG said it was a mistake but she never said it was a sexual intercourse happened between both of them. Dont be too sure of your line of thoughts. Think of other possibilities, too.

Point of Izz's argument not POV of what happened. Maybe i run on a different set of English rules ; )

Yes, I probably need to improve my English skills. Thanks for that

yoonie0104

You're losing your temper, Nora. Calm down :).

sorry :(

Foxy lady
Going to the bar, getting drunk and ending up in bed, naked, with a guy. Even yoonie said the cheating is clear. And I still don't think we'll go back to that event.

I dont say cheating is clear, I said her mistake is clear and if I put myself in Sumin's shoes, I could consider it a cheating. You omit my comment too much, btw, that's not my point, that's not what I'm proving

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Foxy lady
Going to the bar, getting drunk and ending up in bed, naked, with a guy. Even yoonie said the cheating is clear. And I still don't think we'll go back to that event.

I dont say cheating is clear, I said her mistake is clear and if I put myself in Sumin's shoes, I could consider it a cheating. You omit my comment too much, btw, that's not my point.

Ok, point taken. So you could agree it wasn't a cheating. Well, I would not :) unless she was taken by force which can't be true because her guards let the guy inside.

And it's time for me to get some sleep.

@Izz

You don't always intent to cheat and you may still end up doing it. To me the case is clear - she cheated. So did Sumin (she had no intentions to do it).

I am sorry I have to disagree. Intentions must be established especially if it involved marriage annulment or divorced plus the question of assets, custody of children or any analogous circumstances.

Ok, last post before I go to bed. But really the last one. With this pov Sumin didn't cheat because she didn't intend to.

And it's time for me to get some sleep.

Yes i better go to sleep.

.... no wait it's only 3pm here in Tasmania ; )

@yoonie

So, don't use the words, "mistakes", "drunk", "cheating" as if they are the same. Cause and effect are never the same. Semantics is very important to some profession.

Sorry for this, I'll use a better word next time. in a way and as I think of as a victim of an incident like this, I dont think I can clearly differentiate between cheating or not. So I clearly understand Sumin's pov and I still consider it a cheating, because like it or not, Seju has spent a night with someone who is not Sumin. That's wrong and honestly should be considered cheating. I honestly hope you understand the point I'm making. I want to say that, its not about the logic of definition of cheating, about her being drunk or not, its about feeling :), the feeling of betrayal. She was reckless, she made a mistake which ending up her with someone else, the feeling afterwards in the other partner, no matter what kind of situation was, still too much to describe, disappointment, hurt, betrayal, everything. So to me, no matter how she ended up the night with that man, I dont consider it just a mere "mistake", cause if I'm in Sumin's shoes, even if I'm calm enough to believe Seju, I'll still think its a cheating, that she has spent the night with someone and its not me and its hard to accept the truth, also, its hard to forgive.

This is about feelings, not the logic that is cheating needs consents from both parties before they do anything and it requires both of them to be sober. I get what you're trying to say, what you're trying to prove, I do but my feelings tells me that it's a cheating, that there was a man has touched her the way Sumin did and all that, it's hard to accept and it's hard to forgive. I hope you could get what I mean.

But if she was tricked to be in that situation, its another thing.

There you go. You CAN use the drunkenness as the reason for Sumin's lack of trust in her. But you can't use with absoluteness that she "cheated" because even you don't know that Seju cheated. It is an assumption based in what Sumin had seen but conclusively to say Seju cheated based on this is considered groundless and baseless.

Of course, the whole thing that night is still unclear. That I absolutely agree. I wont jump straight to say its an active cheating right away or saying Seju is conscious when she did what she did, I cant even say if they indeed had sex. No I cant.

The reasons why they broke up is not a mere bar incident, its the lack of trust from Sumin in Seju, the feeling of unworthyness from Sumin that she think Seju would find any one better someday, that when it happened, she never had a second thought about Seju's situation. And the most of them all, its Seju's insecurities that led to that incident in the first place. Even without that incident, somewhere in the future, they might break up because they love each other too much that they're too afraid of losing each other and that fear is exactly the thing that kills their relationship.

So in the present, if they cant solve this, they would never back to couple again. It will not work

last edited at Jun 14, 2017 4:03AM

Hahaha... sleep? I read this somewhere... Ah, okay... esoteric used that also... Hmmm... interesting....

I think i see what you are getting at. Because Izz and i tell people with whom we are having discussions with when we are going to sleep, that could mean we are one and the same people? I thought the two of us were just being polite..... Interesting.

last edited at Jun 14, 2017 1:52AM

Seju clearly cheated, it doesn't matter if it was intentional or not. the only thing I find disturbing is that, after all of this, Sumin seems to have more insatiable lust for Seju than before LOL if I was Sumin, I'll probably be disgusted touching Seju again especially after she saw her naked with a guy but not in her case xD

In contrary though, Sumin did admitted that she still has feelings for Seju when she cheated on Sungji compared to Seju who was completely wasted when she cheated on Sumin. but of course, Sungji just brushed it off like it was nothing. she just caught them cheating on her and yet she nonchalantly agreed to let them stay together under one roof xD it all f*cking makes sense lol

last edited at Jun 14, 2017 3:03AM