I think one thing I like about this is it's not realistic, but it's relatable, particularly in how they act toward each other. The cervix knocking thing doesn't sound like a turn on in any sense, but the rest of it really comes off as sex between two people who not only love each other, but respect each other as well.

There's also a strong impression that they've done a lot of things to know each others' limits, and which can be safely pushed. There's a sense of mutual knowledge that you don't see much of in manga either.

I've been waiting this doujin for so long!! Thank you GiB for your effort! And just like the others, I also approve the consent between Honoka and Maki. I usually avoid BDSM because it's more like torture porn(?) but this is just enjoyable and downright sexy.

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It was okayish. I don't know this pairing nor I care, nice foreplay and teasing, great art style but focus was way too much on that strap-on. It felt like it's a dick replacement besides I prefer flesh on flesh. Also that annoying manner I've seen countless times in yuri: "don't look at me/don't say that/blablah" - you know, that weird, constant embarassment characters are showing. I don't know if it's supposed to be cute because they are shy or what but to me it only feels like they are not comfortable with each other. Should have been more playful, light-hearted... I mean come on, they are banging like there's no tomorrow, no need to play prude all of sudden -.-

All of you need to read up more on cervix. Do your research and don't assume what your opinion or experiences are the same for every woman. The cervix actually moves throughout the month and there are quite a bit of research done on it mostly for fertility reasons.

The bottom line is, some women will feel good about the same thing some other will feel pain with. Some people enjoy pain and some don't.

Once you go black, you can't go back. Well done Maki!

Thiaguinho-sama, I don't know where your information is coming from, but that is so much the exception, that I think it's irrelevant to the original question. Whatever small minority of women that enjoys having things knock on the door to their wombs is grossly over-represented in stuff like this.

Because the readers (male for the most part) think it's interesting, or exciting? Authors of hentai works don't aim to represent reality, but to represent what will turn their audience on.

Anyway, there're billiions of women on earth, so probably hundreds of thousands of them might enjoy some particular kink, be it they ever experience it or not.

Homosexuals are a small minority too. Does that mean they are irrelevant? I think they are over-represented here... :D

As for this doujin, there was an overuse of toys. The tails would have been enough in my opinion, because they participated to the roleplay between the two.

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I didn't mind the strap-on use, I actually really enjoyed it. Though it would have been nice to see a little more variety with restriction (tied up/handcuffed/strapped down). That's just my preference. The overall representation is BDSM was good in my opinion (someone that participates in BDSM practices). It's one of the best I've seen in a while. I really liked how they were both able switch rather than one sticking strictly to Dom and sub. Also, I just really appreciated how consentual it was.

Hold up, while I am reading all these cervix carressing discussion, let me pitch in my 2 cents:

Contradictory to popular belief: Lesbians get more orgasms than any heterosexual sex

http://i.imgur.com/LWKxSZV.jpg

Why? Because most of the female's pleasure neurons are located outside. The penis has 4000 nerve endings streched out in a 6 inch area but the clitoris alone has 8000 nerve endings compacted in a little bud. And this is not including the wide range of nerve endings located on the vulva. Save for the G-point, which is basically just the back side of the clitoris, the inside of the vagina is almost completely barren of nerve endings and hitting the cervix will cause the same pain as hitting someone on the stomach.
If the passageway have alot of nerve fibers, the pain of child labor will be so tremendous, the mother will die from shock

The only thing that strap-ons and toys contribute are the psychological masochistic/sadistic urge which is litterally no different from being tied, wearing collars, and using blindfolds

Bonus info: lesbian and gay relationships also suffer less marital infidelity rate and less chance of divorce than het couples. Who would have thought that the best partner are those you share the same interest with and spent their lives living under the same rules?

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The only thing that strap-ons and toys contribute are the psychological masochistic/sadistic urge which is litterally no different from being tied, wearing collars, and using blindfolds

Preeeeeeety sure lesbians use strap-ons and toys (and in real life a whole lot of them do) for purposes other than masochism and sadism.They do, as with penises, stimulate those nerves you mentioned along the vulva. Which is why a lot of women say length isn't a big deal, but girth matters a lot.

Preeeeeeety sure lesbians use strap-ons and toys (and in real life a whole lot of them do) for purposes other than masochism and sadism.They do, as with penises, stimulate those nerves you mentioned along the vulva. Which is why a lot of women say length isn't a big deal, but girth matters a lot.

The #1 female porn search is lesbian or lesbian related titles. Followed by pussy eating/licking. Strap-on and toys are not even in the top 20
You can take that info as you will but if I were to guess, female-related sex is about intimacy and gentleness. Once toys get in, it becomes more about dominance, submission, and pure animalistic urge. Just a guess. I am not a sex expert

^I think you're doing a lot of guesswork here.

I don't see how the location and number of nerves has something to do with the fact of being in a lesbian relationship.

I'm afraid that regarding the handling of clits and vulva with fingers and tongue, men and women are on an equal footing. It all depends on skill. Men may even have an advantage because their fingers may be thicker, but that's all.

If anything, I think the number of orgasms reached is not tied to your sexual preferences, but to how your partner cares about you. Even men can be gentle and caring (eh!). And not all women are multi orgasmic or something. After reaching one, everything gets pretty sensitive and it can be uncomfortable to go on. No counting the endorphins which tend to make you sleepy.

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Preeeeeeety sure lesbians use strap-ons and toys (and in real life a whole lot of them do) for purposes other than masochism and sadism.They do, as with penises, stimulate those nerves you mentioned along the vulva. Which is why a lot of women say length isn't a big deal, but girth matters a lot.

The #1 female porn search is lesbian or lesbian related titles. Followed by pussy eating/licking. Strap-on and toys are not even in the top 20
You can take that info as you will but if I were to guess, female-related sex is about intimacy and gentleness. Once toys get in, it becomes more about dominance, submission, and pure animalistic urge. Just a guess. I am not a sex expert

I'm not talking about porn, I'm talking about actual lesbians, hence the reference to "real life". The S/M market isn't so big as to support that big an industry producing sex toys, y'know.

Also, "female-related sex is about intimacy and gentleness" is a bit of a stereotype, and most practicing lesbians I've spoken with would object to it.

If anything, I think the number of orgasms reached is not tied to your sexual preferences, but to how your partner cares about you.

My feeling is that attentiveness plays a huge role there, even with partners who don't know each other well. Really observing the other person's reactions and responding appropriately can go a very long way.

I'm afraid that regarding the handling of clits and vulva with fingers and tongue, men and women are on an equal footing. It all depends on skill. Men may even have an advantage because their fingers may be thicker, but that's all.

First off, you're comparing something who spent her whole life studying her own gender. This is not including the certain chemicals and psychological traits that one exposes during intercourse. It is not equal. I will explain this in further later.

Second, you are half correct.
Refractory period happens only on males as it has something to do with the release of tension within the walls of seminal vesicles and relaxing the other physiologic systems, such as breathing, blood pressure, and gut motility. Such a thing happens in order to keep the body from damaging itself
All women are capable of multiple orgasms but some experiences clitoral hypersensitivity which, while not exactly prevents orgasms, makes it further sessions painful and undesirable, making you half-correct

Third, female sex has little to do with endorphin at all actually, but more about oxytocin and estrogen.
Endorphin is the chemical that turns pain into pleasure and fills the brain with the essence of euphoria. While it does exists in sex, its effects only lasts as far as the orgasms go. Once the aftersex comes, the oxytocin takes major role
Oxytocin is the major chemical that allows humans to form a bond with their partner. Unfortunately, its effects differ with gender.
In males, the effects of oxytocin is generally muted because of presence of testosterone. The higher the testosterone level of a man is, the more likely it is that he will leave the woman behind. Such is the reason why women are scared of men with extremely deep voices - deep voices showcases a high level of testosterone and are very unlikely to be good fathers
On the otherhand, if oxytocin was combined with estrogen, the affectionate effect multiplies-allowing them to form an even deeper and closer relationship. This is the reason why almost all pornographic materials that features lesbians are heavily inclined to be soft and gentle, plotbased even.
such is also the reason why of all the genders, lesbians have the lowest chance of infidelity

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363577/Women-fear-men-deep-voices-likely-cheat-them.html
http://justinattraction.com/2013/06/why-women-get-more-attached-after-sex/

Now, don't get me wrong, I am not really arguing with you or anything bad. I just wanted to share what I know.

Also, "female-related sex is about intimacy and gentleness" is a bit of a stereotype, and most practicing lesbians I've spoken with would object to it.

I don't know. Stereotypes exists for a reason.
And lesbian porn wouldn't be so filled with softness and fluff if there's no market that demands so much of it. Not to mention, most of it are bought by women.
I choose scientific explanations

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I'm going to sleep

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Centifolia posted:

Also, "female-related sex is about intimacy and gentleness" is a bit of a stereotype, and most practicing lesbians I've spoken with would object to it.

I don't know. Stereotypes exists for a reason.

Yes. They are generalizations based on small samples, because instead of actually learning about things, people prefer to make assumptions.

Also, "female-related sex is about intimacy and gentleness" is a bit of a stereotype, and most practicing lesbians I've spoken with would object to it.

I don't know. Stereotypes exists for a reason.

Yes, they simplify and pigeonhole things. People like simple, easily categorized things.

Humans are not simple, easily categorized things. Stereotypes are frequently wrong.

And lesbian porn wouldn't be so filled with softness and fluff if there's no market that demands so much of it. Not to mention, most of it are bought by women.

Dude, go watch The Crash Pad. That's lesbian produced for a lesbian market and highly praised by lesbians porn, thanks. Have you even met a butch?

I choose scientific explanations

Assumptions aren't science. Assuming porn accurately reflects the actual sex lives of lesbians is like watching WWE RAW and thinking you have insight into the martial arts.

It isn't as much that lesbian are gentler rather that woman in general need more and stronger stimulation. What you mentioned about lesbians having more orgasm is strictly connected to it. Basically men don't need that much to cum, but women take much longer to go there, so if men focus purely on their pleasure, majority of women won't experience orgasm during sex (and that is a huge issue in het sex and some married women are even force to fake orgasm just to keep their partners happy). With woman x woman the issue is gone since they both know and try to pleasure each other the way they know to be effective as well as they both need roughly same amount of time to reach orgasm, that is why 2 women are more likely to both experience orgasm during sex even if they are not really trying to match their partners pace. So instead of saying lesbians sex is gentle, it is more that woman in general needs more stimulation which naturally leads for gentler approach, but doesn't invalid possibility of rough, or at least harder, sex between women. That is also why that whole nerves talk isn't really relevant because both genders needs different amount and degree of stimulation.

Also, "female-related sex is about intimacy and gentleness" is a bit of a stereotype, and most practicing lesbians I've spoken with would object to it.

I don't know. Stereotypes exists for a reason.
And lesbian porn wouldn't be so filled with softness and fluff if there's no market that demands so much of it. Not to mention, most of it are bought by women.
I choose scientific explanations

I wonder if you ever met, or spoke, with real life lesbians...

Softness and fluff. Intimacy and gentleness... that made me laugh.

It's not because it's something we like to read about (like yuri), or to watch, that it has to have anything to do with real life.

Wow, I nearly slept on this one. It's kinky and hot, and I love the way they change up roles and communicate.

I could rhapsodise more, but I'd soon wind up in TMI-land.

I don't even know how to approach the pseudo scientific nonsense being spouted here except to say that I've probably reached some kind of peak laughing slash crying state at this point.

Maybe just maybe people enjoy different things! And holy shit, maybe porn doesn't at all reflect how relationships and sex and sexuality work in the real world! MIND BOGGLING.

page 33 is so cute omigod it looks like maki is really holding a puppy honoka

• grab tissues for my massive nose bleed * thumb up to who ever did this.
  

Yes. They are generalizations based on small samples, because instead of actually learning about things, people prefer to make assumptions.
Humans are not simple, easily categorized things. Stereotypes are frequently wrong.
I wonder if you ever met, or spoke, with real life lesbians...

Apparently not

http://cdn1b.static.pornhub.phncdn.com/insights-static//wp-content/uploads/2014/09/pornhub-men-women-top-searches2.png
http://cdn1b.static.pornhub.phncdn.com/insights-static//wp-content/uploads/2015/12/4-pornhub-insights-2015-year-in-review-female-male-categories.png
http://i.imgur.com/1BxUhnZ.jpg

The market changes itself in accordance to the demands of the society and saying otherwise is the same as saying that the market does not want to make a profit.
I don't expect you all to accept the truth, but please don't try to change it with factless opinions.

And no, personal experiences is unaacceptable under laws of commonsense.

I don't even know how to approach the pseudo scientific nonsense being spouted here except to say that I've probably reached some kind of peak laughing slash crying state at this point.

That's just rude

maybe porn doesn't at all reflect how relationships and sex and sexuality work in the real world

How on earth did you come up with this conclusion? By not reading anything? Jesus Christ!

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