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SmallFriendlyScorpion
Scorpion
joined Apr 25, 2020

yeah no this is just transphobic schlock idc how you wanna fool yourself into thinking this is that progressive or accepting

jesus fuck some of you have an endless reservoir of goodwill for proven transmisogynists/ transmisogynistic tropes bc you really dont think all too differently, just again, people want the appearance of allyship.

I didnt even get to the "preying on lesbians by presenting female" part. Classic bit of transmisogyny faced by trans lesbians.

so true or whatever, that's DEFINITELY what this work is all about, yup. you really spoke truth to power, keep it up!

Img_1922
joined Jan 3, 2026

And Kitano is definitely a trans girl, the dynasty tag is here >:)

130% sure

Img_1922
joined Jan 3, 2026

I don’t know how to feel about this manga

G7zg2hjxqaeilip
joined Jan 14, 2023

eru is kinda the absolute worst

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

yeah no this is just transphobic schlock idc how you wanna fool yourself into thinking this is that progressive or accepting

jesus fuck some of you have an endless reservoir of goodwill for proven transmisogynists/ transmisogynistic tropes bc you really dont think all too differently, just again, people want the appearance of allyship.

I didnt even get to the "preying on lesbians by presenting female" part. Classic bit of transmisogyny faced by trans lesbians.

so true or whatever, that's DEFINITELY what this work is all about, yup. you really spoke truth to power, keep it up!

i mean its just transphobic gag after transphobic gag that serve up terf strawmans about "predatory, perverse men" deceiving women, what the fuck else is it other than a TERF rag? what are you giving me to respond to here other than "im mocking a phrase popularized by BLM activists to tell everyone else to laugh alongside me at the ridiculous tr*nny." You're ignorant and youve well proven my point about desiring a languid allyship that dissolves the second there is conflict.

Teru%20frown
joined Jul 9, 2020

Well, Eru's trash. But this reinforces that Kitano is best girl.

Brevity of Mammals
Brainsucker-square
joined Sep 13, 2025

I don't see how you can read this manga and think that its intended lesson on crossdressing is that, actually, no one should do it. The plain reading is that boys in dresses are cute, not boys in dresses are dangerous. Eru's not great here, but he hasn't hurt anybody and I really doubt he's about to start. He literally tells us that his shtick doesn't work, and he's just going to crush on Girly for a while.

You're bringing in a lot of culture war baggage that the author is probably only vaguely aware of. This story has already hopped out of any of the neat channels that we might have expected it to follow.

last edited at Jun 28, 2026 12:57AM

SmallFriendlyScorpion
Scorpion
joined Apr 25, 2020

You're ignorant and youve well proven my point about desiring a languid allyship that dissolves the second there is conflict.

more nuggets of wisdom from the pinnacle of internet virtue, please, tell us more.
I think my allyship is not so easily dissolved by some internet clownery. why would I hate a whole group of people all because of some, let's face it, inane arguments for the both of us.
but of course, feel free to keep yapping about how you're better than me, than all of us. o the holiest of ally.

last edited at Jun 28, 2026 1:06AM

Lifeisfunguys
joined Jun 24, 2026

im betting the mc is gona get all the guys to fall for him but not the girl

SmallFriendlyScorpion
Scorpion
joined Apr 25, 2020

im betting the mc is gona get all the guys to fall for him but not the girl

mayhaps, but Kitano & MC is too cute together though so not like it matters

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

You're ignorant and youve well proven my point about desiring a languid allyship that dissolves the second there is conflict.

more nuggets of wisdom from the pinnacle of internet virtue, please, tell us more.
I think my allyship is not so easily dissolved by some internet clownery. why would I hate a whole group of people all because of some, let's face it, inane arguments for the both of us.
but of course, feel free to keep yapping about how you're better than me, than all of us. o the holiest of ally.

illiterate if you think i am an "ally" but go ahead and stare at the pictures and the picture-letters of this one all you want i guess, everyone else here is doing so without any recollection of what they mean.

SmallFriendlyScorpion
Scorpion
joined Apr 25, 2020

everyone else here is doing so without any recollection of what they mean.

obviously.
and again like I've implied so two times already: you're the only person who's right. I'm so glad you're letting us know :]
I hope you have a wonderful day.

further, I hope the world is kinder to you one day so much so that you don't feel the need to lash out against strangers engaging with something perhaps through a different lens than you did but nevertheless did not have malice in their heart.

last edited at Jun 28, 2026 4:58AM

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

I don't see how you can read this manga and think that its intended lesson on crossdressing is that, actually, no one should do it. The plain reading is that boys in dresses are cute, not boys in dresses are dangerous. Eru's not great here, but he hasn't hurt anybody and I really doubt he's about to start. He literally tells us that his shtick doesn't work, and he's just going to crush on Girly for a while.

You're bringing in a lot of culture war baggage that the author is probably only vaguely aware of. This story has already hopped out of any of the neat channels that we might have expected it to follow.

"this manga is transphobic and fetishizing" in no way translates to:

this manga is negative about crossdressing and is telling people not to

Now, if you think trans lives are just an advanced form of crossdressing then dear god you need to educate yourself. the fact the manga is letting you conflate the two demonstrates it is clearly is laundering transmisogyny under the guise of "we made them sexually appealing though!1!1!1!" it is quite the opposite i think this manga would prefer transgender identity never to exist or be invoked from how it already framed kitano, it would spoil the "joke" that Girly has won their affections, it spoils the fantasy thats laid bare by every boy-in-panty shot in here. The plain reading is they are almost exclusively sexualized either as a joke or purely out of fetishization. There was an immediate crass joke about genitalia being incompatible with womens clothing in the first few pages of this chapter, remember? I'm surprised you forgot!

and no trans issues arent a culture war hang-over, we bear no responsibility for the pivot and attack on all sides we have faced, it doesnt make our issues less relevant, especially given the history of trans fetishization and transmisogyny in animanga that has been criticized by japanese trans people.

7a067e9e6fb1c92210174e64e9f1e23d
joined Jun 19, 2013

also proving the point someone made about "genderfuck" being tme folks fetishizing a perceived wrongness of transfeminine bodies and wishing they could fully inhabit our bodies and lives as a final conquest of them.

Not getting into the rest of your comment because its not important to the point, but "genderfuck" can be anything from that to an nb person kicking gender in the teeth to a binary trans woman doing drag. Just because some asshole gay dudes use it doesn't mean it's not a culturally important term to people in the queer community.

Eterna%20rinebow%20small
joined Oct 20, 2017

Eru is a little shit but still not as big of a loser as looksmaxxers

SmallFriendlyScorpion
Scorpion
joined Apr 25, 2020

the enlightening conversations continue it seems. lol, lmao, even.

Drop-your-favourite-sua-fan-official-art-and-ill-rate-them-v0-6mdt3s3iafof1
joined Jan 22, 2026

omfg is this whole shtick cause i said this is genderfuckery the manga??? cause if it is let me make it clear right now, no i didn't mean it in any transphobic or fetishizing way, i'm literally in the trans umbrella myself, i was just saying how every one's gender idenitity, presantation and even their sexualities are a mess it's hard to define anyone as of now, which is also apparent due to the fact this manga literally made the admins here to come up with a whole new tag to explain whatever the fuck is going on. i really hope this manga does indeed explore gender and sexuality well and not in a bigoted or fetishized way, all that's left for us to do is wait and see where it goes! i feel like most of us here are in the same page but we're not understanding each other and are mad too early...

last edited at Jun 28, 2026 12:31PM

Vashu
joined Apr 2, 2017

omfg is this whole shtick cause i said this is genderfuckery the manga??? cause if it is let me make it clear right now, no i didn't mean it in any transphobic or fetishizing way, i'm literally in the trans umbrella myself, i was just saying how every one's gender idenitity, presantation and even their sexualities are a mess it's hard to define anyone as of now, which is also apparent due to the fact this manga literally made the admins here to come up with a whole new tag to explain whatever the fuck is going on. i really hope this manga does indeed explore gender and sexuality well and not in a bigoted or fetishized way, all that's left for us to do is wait and see where it goes! i feel like most of us here are in the same page but we're not understanding each other and are mad too early...

no i was just taking an extra shot at the usage of "genderfuck" which is primarily in employ by ppl who envy trans womens dysphoria in fetishistic ways bc they feel inadequate about their own transition/transness. Thats besides the point though is there is no wait and see, it is already on the page

Lifeisfunguys
joined Jun 24, 2026

omfg is this whole shtick cause i said this is genderfuckery the manga??? cause if it is let me make it clear right now, no i didn't mean it in any transphobic or fetishizing way, i'm literally in the trans umbrella myself, i was just saying how every one's gender idenitity, presantation and even their sexualities are a mess it's hard to define anyone as of now, which is also apparent due to the fact this manga literally made the admins here to come up with a whole new tag to explain whatever the fuck is going on. i really hope this manga does indeed explore gender and sexuality well and not in a bigoted or fetishized way, all that's left for us to do is wait and see where it goes! i feel like most of us here are in the same page but we're not understanding each other and are mad too early...

oh my lets not be petty

Drop-your-favourite-sua-fan-official-art-and-ill-rate-them-v0-6mdt3s3iafof1
joined Jan 22, 2026

omfg is this whole shtick cause i said this is genderfuckery the manga??? cause if it is let me make it clear right now, no i didn't mean it in any transphobic or fetishizing way, i'm literally in the trans umbrella myself, i was just saying how every one's gender idenitity, presantation and even their sexualities are a mess it's hard to define anyone as of now, which is also apparent due to the fact this manga literally made the admins here to come up with a whole new tag to explain whatever the fuck is going on. i really hope this manga does indeed explore gender and sexuality well and not in a bigoted or fetishized way, all that's left for us to do is wait and see where it goes! i feel like most of us here are in the same page but we're not understanding each other and are mad too early...

no i was just taking an extra shot at the usage of "genderfuck" which is primarily in employ by ppl who envy trans womens dysphoria in fetishistic ways bc they feel inadequate about their own transition/transness. Thats besides the point though is there is no wait and see, it is already on the page

I never heard anyone use genderfuck in such a way but aight. And we can wait and see just fine

Drop-your-favourite-sua-fan-official-art-and-ill-rate-them-v0-6mdt3s3iafof1
joined Jan 22, 2026

omfg is this whole shtick cause i said this is genderfuckery the manga??? cause if it is let me make it clear right now, no i didn't mean it in any transphobic or fetishizing way, i'm literally in the trans umbrella myself, i was just saying how every one's gender idenitity, presantation and even their sexualities are a mess it's hard to define anyone as of now, which is also apparent due to the fact this manga literally made the admins here to come up with a whole new tag to explain whatever the fuck is going on. i really hope this manga does indeed explore gender and sexuality well and not in a bigoted or fetishized way, all that's left for us to do is wait and see where it goes! i feel like most of us here are in the same page but we're not understanding each other and are mad too early...

oh my lets not be petty

How am i being petty?!

last edited at Jun 28, 2026 4:22PM

Wtf%20dog
joined Sep 7, 2024

Y'all the manga is like four or six chapters in. Give it some time, this might turn out to be one of those cases where the main character is a repper.

Shi9t happened in TADC, it could happen here.

Lifeisfunguys
joined Jun 24, 2026

whats tadc

Wtf%20dog
joined Sep 7, 2024

whats tadc

The Amazing Digital Circus.

Drop-your-favourite-sua-fan-official-art-and-ill-rate-them-v0-6mdt3s3iafof1
joined Jan 22, 2026

Y'all the manga is like four or six chapters in. Give it some time, this might turn out to be one of those cases where the main character is a repper.

Shi9t happened in TADC, it could happen here.

Tadc is indeed my hyperfixation lately lol

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