A5PECT posted:

Tamamusi deserves a medal for admitting she's only ever slept with one girl in such an offhanded way.

What? Where?

I think they refer to when other girl says Tamamusi already slept with female senpai. How they concluded it means Tamamusi only slept with someone once is also puzzling me.

Peccata posted:

The reason Kaoru feels guilty over their family falling apart is obvious, its either a willing or unwilling affair with Reiichi's father (which I suspect started after he started dating Glasses) that eventually came to light. As to why Reiichii would just suddenly start dating/marrying her after telling her basically to fuck off for years is the result of that. Its probably a KimiNozo thing where she feels so guilty over it that it breaks her, so he stepped in to prevent her from just killing herself eventually. Of course he's still seeing his "real" girlfriend that I imagine he never stopped seeing.

And that is exactly kind of stuff I didn't read this manga for.

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Wtv posted:

There's a difference between male targeted fanservice and female targeted fanservice in anime.

I guess to me it just doesn't matter which one it is. I either like it, don't like it or it doesn't bother me. If it appeals to me it doesn't matter whatever it was aimed at me or not. I bet most of the times I wouldn't be able to tell you which fanservice I'm currently seeing.

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Blastaar posted:

Am I misstating something here?

Well I thought it was pretty clear from my last post, but while something happening in the past that influenced character, that we don't know yet, isn't really something I dislike (in fact I like mysteries and that kind of subtle story telling hinting there is more going on, which is eventually revealed), I didn't think it will turn out to be main focus of the story and at this point, only thing that could explain to us, why things are the way they are and everything is so messed up. I read it for Uta's angst over her unrequited love, not for some kind of family drama with mystery elements where we watch all the characters trying to copy with their messed up situation. It simply turned to not be story I wanted to read. I don't think it means it is bad one. I bet I could actually enjoy it. But I'm very picky with my drama and I only read what I feel like reading. I felt like reading story about unrequited love so I was prepared for that. I wasn't prepared for all those other things that suddenly came to focus and took over the story.

Wtv posted:

But when they call it fanservice for men because it has sex scenes, they're saying women can't like sex.

I was saying it for some time, but apparently there exist distinct "male fanservice" and "female fanservice" that some yuri fans can tell apart and judge if something is pandering to male audience or to "true yuri fans". As if "male fanservice" was inherently incapable of appealing to female audience. I guess in that case I'm a guy, since I don't mind most of that "male fanservice"

Blastaar posted:

weird change of character

Now I'm going to beat my own dead horse: something important involving all these characters happened in the past that did change them in significant ways (Uta used to be cheerful, but is only now beginning to come back around out of depression) or changed their relationships (Reiichi consistently blew off Kaoru or held her at arm's length emotionally, then he suddenly decided to marry her).

So the story (supposedly) has been about all of these characters all along, but the story's refusal to fill in those past blanks except for some very oblique hints is something that leads to several other flaws, like forcing us to pay attention only to Uta's emotional state, because that's almost all we've been given.

I see. Then I guess I really was reading wrong manga all along. Thanks for the info.

Yuri Queen posted:

The comment in the Twitter post simply says that they dropped Citrus because they were lied to about it being wholesome. They just wanted a wholesome lesbian show.

Here. They meant they wanted it to be true yuri, not something that has fanservice and parts aimed at male audience wanting to see 2 girls making out. Also I guess that person doesn't like rape in their manga. I guess according to them Citrus is a manga aimed at male audience and not "real yuri fans".

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mint-leaf posted:

benja posted:

i really thought this mangas was going to be a bitter sweet well written story about a girl getting over her platonic and urequited love then finding a new love but nope is just your usual my husband/boyfriend cheatonme/doesntloveme/hitsme so now im lesbian stuff

Yea, I really wished the drama would come from them being actually loving wife and husband and Uta having to deal with it rather than the typical, he is terrible, cheats on her and there is whole drama their marriage is not happy.

Huh..that would be actually really interesting. I would love to see a story like that, where it's more introspective and not as dependent on the established couple being unhappy. Thanks for introducing me to a new story concept.

That is exactly what I expected when starting to reading it. Good brother loving both his wife and sister, even if he sometimes make mistakes, but it happens to anyone. Good sister-in-law loving her husband and wanting to be friendly with his sister. And then sister who loves her brother and is in love with her sister-in-law. The drama just write itself. While I bet it would upset most people, I didn't expect her to actually end up with Kaoru. And manga seemed to go for that direction. Realistic angst about realistic issue. But then we got weird hints at "brother never really loved Kaoru" and of course cheating. Whatever he has some bigger reason or not, I don't care. I didn't read it for that kind of stuff.

benja posted:

i do think the husband change and also the direction of the manga in general
i think the author planed to go the way you described first being a bitter sweet manga where there is no good or evil characters just people with complex and realistic issues like falling in love to the wrong person or not being the perfect husband but still loving your wife
but then realize that a manga like this would upset and divide the fanbase so instead choose to go the safe way making the husband a motherfucker
so now you dont need to choose a side since now there is only one side

I hate to beat a dead horse over it (and kinda defend the author), but in this case I'm more likely to think it is caused by editorial input (yes, I hate it so much). It is highly possible author did start writing it planing to go the real angst route, but either his editor told him to change it because he didn't think people would read it/it would be better this way or manga wasn't selling that well so they told him to change it to interest more people. Editors in Japan (and I guess in general) have a huge power over what goes into manga in their magazines, so if they would ever felt like this wouldn't sell/work, they would change it without author really having a lot to say in the matter. And of course that doesn't mean they are always right, as they basically base everything on their experience and what did and didn't work in the past.

Nya-chan posted:

"It was your plan to get closer to Uta from the very beginning". So, unrequited on the surface, maybe.

If Kaoru actually liked Uta from the beginning and Reiichi actually notice it, then him marring her would make even less sense. Not to mention she was the one stubbornly asking him out constantly for over 7 years until he finally give her a yes (with ambiguity whatever he actually loves her or not), so it is very hard for me to believe she actually had feelings for his sister all along. And if she wanted to marry him so she can be closer to her... that is the same roundabout way of thinking that somehow him marring her so she can become closer to Kaoru is a good idea. I'm more inclined to believe he noticed Uta might feel something more for Kaoru after they married and he noticed Kaoru wanted to be friends with Uta for a long time, but nothing really more. If both Kaoru and Reiichi really only married so Kaoru can get together with Uta, then I call it the most convoluted drama I have ever read. And honestly seeing how worked up over possible cheating Kaoru is, it is really hard to see her as anything other than deeply in love with Reiichi.

I think there's a little more depth to the brother than just "Imma cheating on my wife with an executive woman, because she's a clingy childish klutz".

It doesn't excuse him from cheating (if he actually does?), but he's not a total piece of shit.

The point is I don't care. I didn't read it so I can read about him being ambiguous character who might or might not cheat on her and might actually have some deeper issues he didn't open about and for Kaoru to make this and this kind of monologues. I read it for Uta's unrequited love story, not Kaoru's or Reiichi's or their messed married life or whatever. Unless, now that I think about it, manga is about everyone's unrequited love and then suddenly all this mess would make sense, but it also means nobody will be happy at the end,

As a side note, it is so funny she says "Because I'm so scared of being rejected and dislike if I insist on forcing my way into their life" as a person who did this ;v I'm sorry but it feels like split personality or weird change of character. So she was perfectly fine chasing someone to date them until they accepted and even married her, as in, she become constant part of their life, but she is unable to actually be part of their life and is afraid of trying to connect with them deeper than just being a couple/officially married? I'm sorry but I just don't buy it. And if she really feels that way, then she is incredibly shallow person if she chased some without any intention of actually supporting or learning about them

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I guess this fits? Sorta? https://dynasty-scans.com/series/shouraiteki_ni_shindekure
Can't think of anything else from top of my head.

On different note, I actually found her saying this all in 100% seriousness funny and shocked reaction of other character to it clearly showed Tamamusi did not take it seriously, but more like "Wow, really?" and probably "There are people like that?".

benja posted:

i really thought this mangas was going to be a bitter sweet well written story about a girl getting over her platonic and urequited love then finding a new love but nope is just your usual my husband/boyfriend cheatonme/doesntloveme/hitsme so now im lesbian stuff

Yea, I really wished the drama would come from them being actually loving wife and husband and Uta having to deal with it rather than the typical, he is terrible, cheats on her and there is whole drama their marriage is not happy.

Fenny posted:

I'd say more accurate translation would be "Don't lump us together." or alternately you could go for "Don't even compare us."

I'd probably translate her line as "Our relationship's a bit different than yours", then.

She is literally only saying "Don't put me in the same category as you." There is nothing negative in what she said, except for use of "omae" which I really think was just meant as "you". My point is, she doesn't really compare their relationships, or say 1 is better than other. She literally just says they are completely different.

I didn't like the use of word lump as well, cos it felt negative, but dictionary was telling me it means exactly the same thing as she said, "to lump stuff together" and I couldn't think of alternative quickly so I just left it like that.

EDIT/ And even if she actually did mean it in negative way and might even be looking down on them and feeling superior because she takes pride in having a "pure" relationship, so she doesn't want to be put in the same bag with other people who have sex, because she consider her relationship one of a kind, I think it is save to assume it is only what that character thinks and not what Tamamusi thinks, especially considering the narration.

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Actually I decided to look at "A relationship where you haven't done anything beyond kissing, how noble!" line again, since I mostly focused on that "noble" word and later I remember something that kept on nagging me. Actually the whole sentence should go a bit different, which would make it easier for people to realize what Tamamusi's intention with it was. It should actually be "A relationship where you only kiss, that is surely very precious!" I can see how translator tried to shorten it into "how", but in this case this "how" should be read as "how amazing is that" rather than "how it is something you should admire and copy".

Also I guess the best comparison to what Tamamusi meant by it would be something like seeing a unicorn.

And while I'm at it. It isn't really mistranslation, but the whole "Mika and I haven't done anything except kiss" and "A relationship where you haven't done anything beyond kissing" is really bugging me in how unnecessary complicated it is. "Me and Mika are only kissing." or "Me and Mika are only going as far as kissing." if you want to be more "literal" and "A relationship where you only kiss." or "A relationship were you only go as far as kiss." Maybe it is just me, but I don't like the tense used, especially since put this way it puts more stress on them not having sex, when it actually stresses more that they go only as far as kissing. And what bugs me the most is the fact the tenses are switched. Kisses Only girl says it in present continues, when narration is in present simple. But I'm just nitpicking at this point.

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And of course I forgot. Obligatory Gollum picture:

Ok so I'm here to quell all the anger and discomfort, so please put your pitchforks and torches away!

First thing: "Don't lump us in with someone like you."
While the Kisses Only girl does use "omae" (お前), that can be read as impolite depending on context, can as well just mean simple "you". I can see why person translating it could assume she was kinda looking down on the other girl since omae can also be used to people you consider of lower status than you, but honestly in this case I feel like it was more of a simple "you" and it is really hard to tell anything more, since we simply don't have much information about their relationship and how they would normally address each other. TL;DR I'd say more accurate translation would be "Don't lump us together." or alternately you could go for "Don't even compare us."

Second thing: "A relationship where you haven't done anything beyond kissing, how noble!"
While word "toutoi" (尊い) can indeed mean "noble" it can also mean "precious; valuable; priceless; exalted; sacred​". And especially with the way it is used in the sentence, it really give me impression the "noble" here is meant more as something of high value, something precious and worth protecting. So I have to say in this case the choice of word "noble" can be pretty misleading. It would be more like "A relationship where you haven't done anything beyond kissing, how precious/priceless!" I would even go as far as suggesting "A relationship where you haven't done anything beyond kissing, how devoted!" because I think it expresses the best what Tamamusi was going for.

So yea, Tamamusi is pretty much simply saying she encountered a relationship you should cherish with all your heart, because you most likely won't ever see something like that again in your life. Something that is indeed, incredible. She does not say that is the way it should be and you should be ashamed for not being like that.

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h3x posted:

^it's from Petit Galette 5.

Right I always ignore those, I hope i can still see them.

I wanted to bring my moon signs reading skill to use and see what words were used in original, but I can't find it. Was it really published in Galette 5 and if it was, which page?

Altair posted:

Altair posted:

Basically, Eclair is for genre specialists like us, but we're all here on Dynasty and don't need to buy it if it's all hosted

I'd buy it if I liked it and it was published in my country, but I guess not everyone is like me.

There are a lot of people that do this, but when publishers figure what they'll continue and work on, they look at pre sale and early sale numbers. We hurt those figures a lot by scanlating something like Eclair

You hurt sales in japan?

Arckuno posted:

Here's an idea: Ajiichi probably hasn't worked on DMT in 2.5 years because she wants us to feel like Mikoto.

That would be pretty mean, but at the same time so meta x3

Arckuno posted:

I'm not sure what Mai told you about the situation. From what I know at the time they were in the dark about it, so I wouldn't know what she would say about me or staff here in that situation.

Pretty much all what you said. They weren't inform why their work was removed so all they could give me was guesses, but they specifically said, they want to refrain from openly blaming anyone and pointing fingers, since they just didn't know. All they really told me was that since you didn't work on DMT for a year, they assumed you dropped it and decided to go ahead with it themselves. Also they mentioned having some collaboration with you, but because it was taking too much time and their translator become busy, they decided to end it. I'm really not sure when it happened and w/e it was connected to DMT thing or not, because the way Mai wrote it was a bit confusing.

There's still people with ire towards me and those that think it's pointless for me to release these, which I somewhat agree with. But having all these 2+ year old scripts and scans that I put real time and effort into would be kind of sad to throw away at this point, so the bare minimum I can do is find people to edit them.

I think a lot people still appreciate you working on it (or at least releasing what you already worked on) myself included.

Ajiichi basically made Kaoru a super strict, almost prudish character as a joke. That's what the 4 year wait for sex basically is, a joke. It's also not brought up again after that and if it was would probably be a jokey situation about Mikoto being sexually frustrated.

I could argue for Kaoru that you can't pressure someone into sex. There's not really a middle ground between sex and no sex either. Mikoto loves her, so the only real choice she has is to respect Kaoru's wishes (as silly as they are). I doubt she'd want to break up and continue the cycle of being dumped over and over by straight women again. She also seems pretty happy with the relationship as it stands anyway.

Yea, I kinda felt like it was supposed to be funny, but I couldn't find it as such because I felt it was too much on expense of Mikoto. And yea, I understand you can't pressure anyone in sex, but I disliked the way Kaoru went about it, being the one making that decision without Mikoto having any saying in that matter. Honestly she should have said no in this case and they should discuss it like a real adults/couple. Mikoto already proved herself waiting until graduation, so it just didn't feel fair Kaoru would put next long limitation on her immediately after it. Before Kaoru had all the power, because if Mikoto wouldn't comply with it, she would simply not go out with her, but even as they are going out now, she still is the only one making all the rules. It feels like Mikoto was subconsciously trained that she has to agree with Kaoru's every whim or she will simply break with her making all the effort she put into getting here a waste. Sure I bet Mikoto loves Kaoru enough to handle 4 year celibate for her, but still she should be able to openly voice her disagreement and hear the real reason (if the "it would look bad for a teacher" is just a excuse for Kaoru's nervousness) why Kaoru is not ready for it yet. I guess I just didn't buy the presentation of it, because it was giving too much negative implication about healthiness of their relationship.

oguzhan96 posted:

Is it bad that I am willing to watch our yuzu suffer if it means I can get more citrus.

Citrus = Top 5 yuri of all times ?

No, citrus is not good just popular.

I think Citrus is bad (plot wise), but nonetheless I understand exactly why it is popular and I'm not going to call anyone moron for reading it, because I perfectly understand the reasons people enjoy it, cos I used to enjoy things like that too. Sure, popular doesn't mean good, but that doesn't mean there is nothing in it that people can enjoy. Complete trash would never become popular without any real value to it (and yes, so bad it is good is a real value too, though I'm not saying that is the case for Citrus).

Disclaimer: I dropped Citrus long ago 8D (after chapter 15 and everything I hear about it everytime I poke into thread convinces me I made a right decision)

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I meant more using his femininity specifically. I watched it some time ago, but I don't remember any scene where he acted any differently just because he was a girl. Only times were when he was forced to pretend to act like girl his age, but other than that he presented himself just the same way as if he did before his dead (admittedly more desperate and on edge of insanity compare to his previous life, thanks to his new circumstances)

If it is the scene I think about, it was more just guy happened to have daughter his age so it was easier to convince him to leave. I took it as him more taking advantage of being a kid than specifically a girl, since if he was older there, it wouldn't work as well. And him being a girl was more relatable, but I think there was chance it could work with him being as a boy too.

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Klice posted:

Give Kaoru some credits Uranus. She still sees Isechi as a kid - Isechi is still a kid compared to Kaoru.

And that is the worse part of it. She doesn't treat her equally to herself. She still think she is too young for it. She wants her to grow a bit more and become more adult/mature. And imo that is terrible. Because she doesn't treat her as her partner, but still view her as a kid/student. Someone out of her reach. Someone that if people would hear they had sex, she is afraid they would look bad at it. She is taking all the authority in their relationship and decides what is good for them, without Mikoto's consent or impute. She is basically still acting like her teacher even once she graduated. it honestly turned me so off to her character I don't fell like reading this series anymore, unless it is fixed really fast. What Kaoru did was simply very selfish and unfair.

And if that is the case this is seriously messed up considering most high schooler, even middle schooler already had sexual experiences and Mikoto specifically had friend with benefit, which Kaoru knew about. So the only issues here are Kaoru's age and her hang ups about how she (and/or other people) would perceive their relationship and the fact she doesn't view Mikoto as a equal adult and partner in their relationship, even though she more than proved it waiting for their relationship to start properly until she graduates in the first place. Honestly, it is just plain dishonest of Kaoru to do it to Mikoto.

Blastaar posted:

up untill now i didn't notice it but why do they have fors ears ?

No one really knows for sure:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=276533

I wasn't sure if they were saying "four" or "foxes". Anyway, the most likely explanation is uncanny valley effect. We know humans have ears. If we would not see them having ears it would be weird to us and cause distress. That is why when author do decided to not draw 2 pair of ears they cover it with hair so our brain just assumes they are here, even if they are actually not. They just think about reader's experience! (I think)

It isn't NTR, because for it to be NTR Harumi would need to be stealing Yuzu from Mei. Which is clearly not the case here. Do anyone nowadays even know what NTR means, cos I see it used incorrectly all the time now.

Also, even if, who cares. Mei is terrible partner and Yuzu deserves someone who actually give 2 cents about her. She should have broken this unhealthy, abusive relationship ages ago.

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