rainbow8 posted:
"The entire reason Iran is such a shit hole, for example, is specifically due to the United States attempting a coup to install a friendly dictator. This resulted in Iran hating us and devolving into an authoritarian state that's a borderline theocracy."
No, that's not the entire reason. The US fucking around is a factor but let's not minimize the culpability of the theocracy for being a theocracy.
The theocracy wouldn't have been a problem if the US hadn't installed a dictator. The US helped install Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as Shah of Iran in the early 50s. Mosaddegh, the prime minister at the time, was actually popular with the Iranian people. Pahlavi eventually became more and more authoritarian and tried to become an actual autocrat before the 1979 Revolution. Under Mosaddegh the country had become more liberal and progressive. But the UK and US didn't like the fact he had nationalized their oil industry which had been very profitable for the West. The 1979 Revolution was a direct result of the CIA initiating a coup and installing a dictator. If they hadn't done that then Iran would be a more progressive and democratic nation rather than the theocracy it is today.
Throbelisk posted:
I care because I hear every single day how my fellow Americans attempt to distort and deny history and have actually gone completely insane because of it. We have millions of cultists in this country hanging on every word of their god-emperor and there's not a goddamn thing those of us who aren't insane can do about it. And these are the people threatening us daily with another civil war which would spell their complete annihilation. So excuse me if I can't just go, "oh well," and get on with my day.
Those people are really quite frustrating. I recently ended a friendship with someone I've known for almost 20 years because he just refused to see any reason. He started falling for propaganda and misinformation and refused to listen to anything that ran contrary to the things he heard from that. People like Andy Ngo and James O'Keefe of Project Veritas are reliable and trustworthy despite both having a longstanding history of lying and misrepresenting information to try to paint a picture and one of them literally having been convicted over it in the past. Meanwhile experts in a given field with decades of experience are just full of shit. Random Youtube channels with <100 subscribers and unbiased titles such as "WHAT THE LEFTWING MEDIA DOESN'T WANT YOU TO SEE!!" (yes, that was literally the title of a video he linked once to back up his views on BLM) are trustworthy but reputable media sources like Reuters and the Associated Press are not. He genuinely believes that the media is aligned against Trump and the Republicans. If you point out that there are dozens, if not hundreds, of different major media groups around the globe that support widely varying and often conflicting ideologies then he just brushes it off as if that doesn't matter. But then you need to look no further than your bog standard Trump supporters the past few months to see the willful delusion. They're so far gone that they're starting to shit on Fox News for being liberal media despite having relied on Fox News as their "unbiased" news source for the last four years. And that's all because Fox News had the audacity to call the election for the candidate who won. The Republican party is starting to eat itself over this and these people are the reason why.
On a slight tangent, if anyone wants to read an interesting article, give this a read. I'm not going to suggest it's correct, in fact a decent chunk of the things given in the article seem to be some really generous interpretations, but it's still disconcerting just how many of the ones that are difficult to interpret differently seem to describe Trump. (And for the record I'm not suggesting Trump is actually the Antichrist or anything. Someone on another site I frequent linked in and I thought it was actually kinda interesting if for no other reason than to highlight the hypocrisy of American Christians supporting Donald Trump.)