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Sol Falling
Maple Sugar discussion 16 Oct 19:46
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good chemistry

This phrase needs to be shot. It means nothing other than "I subjectivly like how they look together". Don't try to use it. They fit well together as friends. Nothing more.

"Chemistry" is subjective, sure, but it's about interactions, not looks. If you want an objective answer to the question of whether Akane should be written out of yuri pairings, though, why not do a search of Akane pairings i.e. on pixiv.

Right, I have seen it. I also know it's not a cover all excuse for making any two girls you like together a yuri pair. We know how Akane acts with a love interest, and it's not how she acts with Nao.

A single encounter with probably the first guy Akane got particularly close to in her middle schooler life does not define her entire lifetime of romances. Especially considering she is so young, fact is that you have extremely weak evidence to declare that Akane is completely straight.


I don't think you understand how real debate works, and you're just trying to nitpick anything you can.

What it really comes down to is that I'm not actually interested in debating you but rather in publicly demonstrating how you're wrong. I see that this train of discussion is pointless however so let me conclude it with this: http://bakabt.me/details.php?id=170044&page=0
^ There's a link to a batch torrent of Smile Precure. Everyone, please watch it (it's actually a pretty great and fun series) and decide if Nao and Reika are actually 'canon' for yourselves.

Now you're just trying to say all the scenes pointed out mean nothing. Before you were saying the only thing it had going for it was "childhood friend shipping". Now it's "they have moments, but they don't count because reasons."

I've said that all the scenes pointed out mean nothing from the beginning. Fact is that Nao and Reika have practically zero moments which really highlights them as more than friends. It's your job to indicate how the scenes you've shown actually do so. Unless you actually think those clips from the Japanese raws speak for themselves, in which case I invite people to watch the actual episode (for the record, ep. 43).

Not really, even if you try to say they do. Even the show itself pairs them up. At the climax of the series Nao and Rei hug each other when they think Happy died. Why not Nao and Akane if they're such a "supported pair".

Characters being paired up on screen doesn't make them a couple. Especially not to the point of making others "crack" ships. If you're just looking for little special moments which could "mean something", there are tons of other things which you could also bring up for other pairs (like the fact that Nao + Akane and Yayoi + Reika were the only pairs to receive combined special attacks, for example), but the thing is that two characters just being on screen together or doing something together doesn't make them an established couple. It takes actual characterization and dialogue.

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Sol Falling
Maple Sugar discussion 16 Oct 18:54
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But... it's not all girls, for one. See Brian. And the only reason Akane x Brain will not happen is because he hardly knows her name. And secondly, AkaNao will not happen because they have no romantic esque subtext development with each other.

Smile Precure is effectively an all-girls show because any (non-villain) males are basically side-characters who barely even show up for single episodes. The fact that Brian returns to another country makes his potential impact on the show's yuri effectively irrelevant.
Akane and Nao, meanwhile, have a healthy competitive comradery which makes for pretty good chemistry. As Smile Precure goes, it's one of the better pairings.

Two totally different reasons for not happening. Not to mention, as I said, she's confirmed straight.

It should be pretty common knowledge that women seem to inherently have more sexual plasticity than men. The fact that Akane was attracted to a guy does not cross out the possibility of being attracted to girls. See: the concept of bisexuality.


The evidence is there, and if you need to work to understand it, so be it. It's not the other persons just to hand you things on a silver plate.

As I said, transparency is for the benefit of other readers. If you can't commit to having a legit debate which an audience can observe impartially then this discussion would be for me pointless.

A 2 second clip of Nao reacting to Reika having disappeared? When something like that would be natural for anybody in a battle situation like the Precure? What's that supposed to prove exactly?

It's actually closer to 1 second, and you didn't even watch past that one second, did you? To Nao's little speech about Reika. Or any other scene past that point for that matter are pretty big NaoRei moments.

The scenes following that are cherrypicked from a Reika episode which contains plenty of similar emotion from the other characters. That's why I said it's a question of "content", what the characters actually say. Nao doesn't want Reika to leave as an exchange student. Neither does anyone else in the group. Wow, that's some really special ship material, huh?

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Sol Falling
Maple Sugar discussion 16 Oct 18:34
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but why don't you try pulling that shit with actual subs

Because I just typed れいか なお into youtube and took the first reasonable result. Didn't know I had to spoonfeed that hard.

It's a question of transparency of evidence. I can handle Precure-level Japanese just fine, but there's no point in engaging a discussion with you if other people can't follow it.

comes down to "they were on screen at the same time!" or "they talked to each other!"

Good thing that's not what it was at all. Maybe you should rewatch it subbed. Guess I'll baby you and point out one of their biggest scenes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVD0nLeAA5M#t=505

A 2 second clip of Nao reacting to Reika having disappeared? When something like that would be natural for anybody in a battle situation like the Precure? What's that supposed to prove exactly?

Sol Falling
Maple Sugar discussion 16 Oct 18:13
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Ignorance must be bliss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVD0nLeAA5M
You sure have a nice long post that amounts to almost nothing.

Ahahaha. Not that it works as is on anyone who watched the show in the first place, but why don't you try pulling that shit with actual subs? You're trying to preach about 'different types of character interactions', when the entirety of NaoRei 'evidence' (as you've suitably demonstrated) comes down to "they were on screen at the same time!" or "they talked to each other!". Your position comes off as pure hypocrisy when you can't make a single reference to anything Nao or Reika actually said to each other. "Caring about the characters"? Lol, what a joke.

AkaNao makes for the better Nao pairing as well
Akane: the only girl in Smile proven to be explicitly straight
Better for yuri anything

I giggled a little bit at that. Do you think Hime from HaCha is good for yuri?

Hormonal young teenagers in an all-girls show are always good for yuri, :P. If you're talking realistically, I'd say AkaNao is just as likely (or unlikely) as Akane x Brian to actually end up happening.

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Sol Falling
Maple Sugar discussion 16 Oct 17:26
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Pretentious preaching about "not caring about the characters" aside. Miyuki x Reika isn't a crackship in the first place. 'Cause out of the entirety of Smile Precure, the Cinderella episode is one of the best and only examples of romantic subtext between any of the girls.

If people want to accuse MiyuRei of being crackshit, I dunno what that makes all Smile Precure doujinshi. Considering that the supposedly most popular ship, NaoRei, was built on nothing but squinting too hard at the phrase "childhood friends" and people drawing premature assumptions from KomaKaren (Yes 5! Precure). I kinda have to laugh at the delusional type of yuri fan who might've jumped on that bandwagon so hard they'd actually accuse other pairings of being crack ships. Talk about living in your own delusions, haha.

Incidentally, although not enough to apparently make it mainstream as far as doujin content goes, YayoRei remains the Smile Precure pairing which received the most actual substantial subtext by the end of the series. AkaNao makes for the better Nao pairing as well, thank you Hikawa Shou. Unfortunately, the subtext in Smile was such that AkaNao didn't show up in any obvious way until after half the season was over with ep. 25, and YayoRei until even later with the first solid example in ep. 35 (followed by showing up in the Cinderella episode along with MiyuRei at ep. 39). This meant that for more than half a season yuri fans had nothing to do aside from grasp at the "childhood friends" setting of NaoRei, and that's how we end up with a Precure season whose most popular pairing was practically non-existent in-canon. Too bad.

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^ I'm gonna guess that it might be an issue with browser window size or screen resolution. On Firefox for me as well, both the IRC and twitter icons in the upper menu disappear when my browser window is below a certain width.

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Saki discussion 12 Oct 16:36
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Nodoka is one of my favourite lesbians, so hype for this match.

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Haha. As for me, I recall crying more to episode 9 (their entry for the preliminaries with "Snow Halation"), than episode 12 or 13. The graduation stuff didn't really get me, maybe because I didn't really like the idea of graduation actually being the end for Muse or NicoMaki. Actually, I guess that's why I'm not too fond of the overly sentimental tone of this particular piece... even if it's a lot more bitter and dramatic, I prefer a scenario like Crystal Sugar and Machine Gun which actually addresses their futures.

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after story is here! check it out! XD http://g.e-hentai.org/g/747310/bb02add20d/

http://yuri-ism.com/2014/10/10/release-307-peanut-butter-pussy-time/
Why not post a link to the actual scanlator instead of some third-party rehosting site.

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She is awesome for sure.

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At best, she's an irresponsible spaz who leaves a trail of broken hearts among the teenagers entrusted to her care. That would be bad enough, and I find that a charitable interpretation.

The predator interpretation is retarded because the story very clearly if awkwardly makes clear that the teacher is actually in love with the student. Although she does abuse her power, it's difficult to think of her as malicious because if anything the teacher is more helpless and immature than the target of her affections. It'd be a disaster if a teacher that dumb actually existed but that's why this is fiction. What's the point of getting all uptight and morally righteous about an interpretation that's not even correct?

Yes, the sensei is an irresponsible spaz. So what? The point is that this story isn't any more morally questionable than any other teacher-student story out there (seriously), just more pornographic and comparatively less well-written (big whoop, half of this website is porn), so a minor piece like this really is not worth the blowup in the comments you guys have given it.

(I can't believe some idiot on the last page actually pretended this story was anywhere close to the worst stuff on this site. Redirect all your complaints to Oshikko Sensei please. lol, Jesus Christ.)

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Omg... my dad walked in my room when I was on http://dynasty- scans.com/chapters/in_the_rain_and_cold#12 I didn't exit it because I was too busy eating peanuts. It was so awkward, I was just smiling. SO KIDS, REMEMBER TO CLOSE AND LOCK YOUR DOOR BEFORE READING YURI!!

^ Cracking up imagining this.

Regarding the oneshot itself:
1. Wow, Shizuku is cute
2. Sensei is a bit of a failure of an adult; it's a miracle she wasn't arrested, lol. It just happened this time that Shizuku liked her back but she would've been fukken screwed if it turned out she hadn't, and I have no clue what Shizuku actually sees in her :P.

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Sol Falling
Manga General Thread 07 Oct 23:38
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I like Yoshiteru in manga, he's a Shogun and that's a lot like a general I guess.

Yoshiteru, huh? Like this?

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Yotsuhara Furiko is great~

I don't believe there'll be a sequel, unless Furiko-sensei does something like Morishima-sensei and continues some of her stories in a different volume, given the description for the volume this was released in.

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I think it's perfectly legit to think of all men as self-absorbed horndogs who're controlled by their dicks to the point that they can't even be accused of "thinking". Guilty until proven innocent, lol. Obviously there are contextual factors one has to keep in mind when talking about human behaviours, but in this case what you have is an allegedly very attractive young woman in an environment where she is forced to be dependent on others with no technical or self-protective skills to speak of. The situation itself is pretty disgusting (unfortunately it strikes me as pretty realistic), but in such scenarios IMO it's actually preferable for women to come to the conclusion that men are absolutely worthless.

I'd say it's basic sense/human nature that given any significant form of desire, human beings have the potential to be pieces of shit. Throw in any structural imbalances of power and what you have is a recipe for violence. That older brother doesn't hold any sympathy from me because no matter what, he sits in an inherent position of power over Rio, and he took advantage of it. What Rio meant when she said that she wouldn't care if all men just fucking disappeared from the world, is that in such a case, she might've had a chance at living an actual life of decency (not being forced to give herself to men in order to protect herself, and then coerced by her body into enjoying it). I can't blame her.

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Anime season 05 Oct 06:26
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Cross Ange is going to be the trainwreck of the season.

Wow, seriously. I just finished watching the first episode myself. If they are actually setting up for a het end I can only describe this series as hilarious(in the "sometimes I actually wish this world would go to hell" sense)ly offensive. The sight of that brown-haired Kira-lookalike faggot makes me feel like I wanna puke.

I'm gonna keep watching, but that's only pretty much because I'm a delusionally optimistic masochist. Do not recommend to yuri fans as of now.

(Also seriously fuck Sunrise. Ahahaha. I started giving them a chance again thanks to Love Live! but most of the stuff they produce is really crap, if this doesn't turn out I think I'll go back to not giving a shit about anything they put out.)

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This just got announced by Seven Seas: http://www.animenewsnetwork.co.uk/news/2014-10-03/seven-seas-adds-masamune-shirow-and-koushi-rikudou-pandora-of-the-crimson-shell-manga/

Pretty hype, I'll definitely be picking it up! Don't think we can count on scanlations in this case anyway :P.

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Anime season 03 Oct 20:46
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Bumping this because the season is starting and the first episode of selector spread WIXOSS was incredibly gay. Most of the episode is Hitoe taking Ruuko out, including to a "Girl meets Girl festival"(!), Ru is hung up on Tama, Iona continues to be Iona, but with more naked embracing imagery, and the preview is about Akira's feelings towards Iona

Is Wixoss actually worth picking up? As in, starting from the first season. I've basically been avoiding anything Mari Okada-related following the disappointment which was BRS (TV)... the series looked like something I might have picked up for the seiyuu and hopeful subtext otherwise, but my yuri-radar response was to give it a pass. I will admit I'm somewhat curious now, however.

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I don't know I had a hard time following the narrative, I guess it will make more sense when all chapters come out, since the latest one doesn't really seem like it's before 'Inviolable Logic'

'Inviolable Logic' is a flashback to just before Nico's graduation. Chronologically it's (probably?) the first chapter in this doujin compilation, but in placement it comes after the other two chapters which have been scanlated so far.

The progression from 'Setting Sun' -> 'Crystal Sugar and Machine Gun' is pretty straightforward, and the connection to the "reservation" Nico made in 'Inviolable Logic' as well. The one aspect I'm still presently unsure about is the "crystal candy" which has been constantly mentioned throughout all the chapters.

(Incidentally, just a tiny bit of trivia about crystal candy which may or may not be common knowledge, but is presented as such in the story: when broken, crystal candies glow in the dark due to an effect called triboluminescence.)

I'm not sure whether it's something from the School Idol game continuity, earlier doujins in this series, or some other source, but the way it's presented in this story, my assumption is that when the three 3rd years in Muse graduated, all of the group members shared out some crystal candy as a memorial present. Because crystal candy doesn't expire, they'd have the opportunity sometime down the road to get together and enjoy the light effects together.

Together with Maki's crystal candy, Nico gave Maki additionally a "reservation" for a key to their future house, claiming she'd come to sweep her off her feet after she became a super idol. And that's basically where the story starts.

I'll admit that the ending to this latest chapter is kinda ambiguous and doesn't seem yet to be necessarily positive. But presumably that's what the final (chronological) chapter is for. Thus far I gotta say I'm enjoying this series really a freakin' lot, and that's because it's actually tackling a scenario of Nico and Maki as adults, out of highschool (with actually realistic familial, social and professional pressures!), and that's not something you can often get with subtext pairings out of anime series.

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I feel bad for Akira (& Sae, I guess) 'cause it's almost like I can't even conceive of Hitsugi losing... but if Hitsugi doesn't lose, where do Akira and Sae go from here? It's like the story is slowly marching towards the point when they will be inevitably torn from their highest stage (in terms of coolness, screentime, relevance? I dunno). It might be equally likely I'm being too pessimistic? Suffice it to say that I will be highly engaged in the upcoming duel.

Incidentally, Ayana + Yukari's contest as well. Considering that this is somewhat of a subtext series, I'm kinda curious: how many people out there do actually ship Kuro x Ayana? Maybe it's just my aesthetics or something but I'm personally pretty attached to Ayana x Yukari, and do want to see them rekindling their old connection at some point. Is that going against the author's own feelings, I wonder. Anyway, these last couple chapters have been pretty hype.

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The usage of dreams in this story made me think of this, another one of Morishima's oneshots. I think the emotional content of Lala's feelings as portrayed here is very similar to the gist of that story.

One thing I kinda want to point out though, is that even if Lala isn't aware of it, I don't even think that the 'motherly' aspect of her relationship with Shinobu is actually all gone just yet. If you reread the first chapter in this continuity, which was also linked earlier in this thread, the main gist of that episode was actually that Shinobu was pushing herself a bit too hard to "be an adult" and "become mature". In the end, Lala's dedication and acceptance of who Shinobu really was was what saved her.

Of course, it's also a wonderful thing for Shinobu to be able to give back to Lala and interact with her as an equal. But my feeling is that there's no need to be in a rush. And from that perspective, Lala's feelings in this chapter are not necessarily bad. Perhaps Lala's nostalgia for a Shinobu who freely and openly depended on her will disappear once they've both truly matured.

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Ayame 14 discussion 03 Oct 00:03
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I have no words for this chapter... just one thing I'm not even sure I want to point out, the Japanese usage/definition of "bitch" is not the same as in English, and Shinobu's parents' advice was correct as fuck in saying Shinobu shouldn't tell others about it...

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Gunjo discussion 02 Oct 00:53
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This manga is madness, homofobitch as fuck
you guys will explode of rage

Or not? Maybe you shouldn't just take everything you read at /u/ at face value. Anybody who genuinely thinks this manga is homophobic is retarded.

Anyway, I'd been planning on reading this for some time; the series popping up here was a good opportunity to do so. Definitely a pretty intense and engaging story for sure. Actually I realized just now that the characters are never even revealed to have names, that is pretty fucking impressive for the emotional impact I've now associated with each character. Apparently the mangaka refers to them as "Les-san" (the blonde) and "Megane-san" (the dark-haired).

That aside, I have to comment that (for me anyway) the series isn't as depressing or tragic as it probably seems. Although there are definitely consequences Les-san (and possibly Megane-san) will have to face down for murder, and I don't know how extreme they will be, for now I confess I'm basically seeing the development set up for Megane-san to eventually reciprocate Les-san's feelings. In which case a happy end is not entirely impossible/out of reach.

Maybe it's kind of twisted or even rude that I'm reducing even a story like this to the simplistic, stereotypical question of "omg kya, when will these two get together?", and enjoying it as such. Basically not particularly taking it seriously as art. I basically consider the story pretty good reading though. Will be looking forward to future chapters.

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lol, one of the funniest chapters, for sure. The anime does it even better.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=218585 <- first 6-minute OVA produced in 2010, not that good, included for completeness
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=294057 <- regular length OVA from 2012, brilliant, a 10/10 masterpiece.

Although the series has 'yuri' in its name, the titular Naoko-san is played off as a general pervert moreso than a lesbian, IMO. It's not particularly satisfying if you're looking for romance. On the other hand, this series really deserves it's comedy tag, so I'd definitely encourage more people to watch it (and of course, will be looking forward to any further scanlations too).

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Haha, love Happy Flame Time's stuff. This was great.

About the first 4koma, I'm just inferring here but I assume the joke is a pun on "sou" which by itself (i.e. as a full sentence/phrase) expresses a meaning of "So it seems" (translated as "yeah" in Marisa's dialogue). The various homonyms of "sou" mentioned in the translator's note were what originally appeared in Marisa's speech bubbles.