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But despite me not reading this manga, its existence is pissing me off. The premise of the manga is that a homophobe is shown that girls can love each other, and yet the gay character turns out to be a rapist?

WTF. Yeah that'll convince her. Like what's with the fucking disconnect between the title and the actual manga?? It's about her "falling" in love but everything has been forced on her. Is this a troll manga or is the author just stupid? This shit is just perpetuating stereotypes at this point.

"Absolutely no info" mate I read pretty much the entirety of volume 1.

For your information, the rape occurs at a point in the story when the heroine (Marika) has already fallen for Aya, and is feeling insecure and jealous about whether Aya really loves her. The remaining conflict in the story is no longer about whether Marika will come to love Aya or accept homosexual relationships -- rather, it is about whether the two will be able to become a happy couple.

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In the end, shows the author's limitation: Marika learns about Aya's (weird) past; Marika is still digesting the information, and says she is not in the mood for hentai stuff, as Rosalía would say; Aya and Marika end up discussing about their relationship; Aya is forceful (rape), Aya who explicitly said would never be forceful to Marika. The chapter was focused on getting empathy towards Aya. And here we all are talking about: rape. Rape or rapey, as you wish to say it. Overall, the set of actions felt off, to me that is bad writting.

On the intentions of the writing -- without getting into spoilers, the rape scene in this chapter is actually one of the major emotional climaxes of the story because it represents the first moment where Marika realizes her feelings for Aya.

Marika's reluctance to have sex is not because she is digesting Aya's background -- recall in the previous chapter, Marika caught Aya meeting Astarotte in front of Aya's house just after Aya called, for the first time, to cancel one of their meetings.

Hearing about Aya's middle school experiences makes Marika feel more sympathetic to/interested in Aya. However, at the same time, Marika had just confirmed that Aya lied to her, and is overwhelmed by Aya's confidence and sexual skills into thinking that Aya has tons of experience with girls and is just playing with her.

Marika's resistance to having sex with Aya in this chapter stems from JEALOUSY, and being unable to bring herself to believe Aya's sweet words professing her devotion to her. However, it's precisely this jealousy and insecurity which makes Marika respond powerfully when Aya finally makes her move, because, as Marika notes "In this moment, she really is looking only at me".

Aya, for her part, found herself unable to resist Marika precisely because she was perceiving Marika's insecurity and neediness. Yes, it was still rape. The scene nonetheless works as one of the highlights of the novel because it was for both Aya and Marika an amazing clash between their emotions and their rationality.

Between this and "There's no way I could have a lover!" I increasingly get the sense that Teren Mikami has kind of a sketchy idea of what makes a good romance. I would still say I prefer this one to the other, since even if that one lacked the more explicit scenes, just the overall relationship dynamic there felt uncomfortably predatory and manipulative. Here, there's at least the understanding that Marika is interested in Aya, and deep in denial about her own sexuality, that makes the relationship work for me. I really liked the first half of the chapter!

About Watanare ("There's no way I could have a lover!"), that series is actually an explicit, fully committed harem/polyamory series. Mai is the heroine of the first novel, whose role is to awaken Renako to the idea of loving women/lesbianism. She is by no means intended to be perceived as perfectly desirable or an idealized romantic partner. On the contrary, Mai's overconfidence and self-assuredness is often made the butt of the comedy in the series, as the second volume, featuring Satsuki as Renako's contract two-week girlfriend, is explicitly about Satsuki's quest to get revenge on Mai in response to Mai humiliating her at the end of the first volume (and Renako's attempts to get them to reconcile). Recall that part of the climax of Watanare's first arc involved Mai asking Satsuki to have sex with her, saying "You love me, don't you?", specifically because Mai was looking to have sex with someone she DIDN'T love to punish herself after Renako slapped Mai after Mai nearly raped her.

The most popular heroine in Watanare is in fact, by a ridiculous measure, Ajisai, to the point that it is almost pitiful how few people were rooting for Mai by comparison (although few actively dislike her after she helped push Ajisai to confess in volume 3). Nonetheless, the series resolved the love triangle between Mai, Ajisai, and Renako by making Renako commit explicitly to polyamory, so for as long as Mikami Teren can continue writing the series compellingly, there's no reason for conflict.

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Anime season 07 Sep 12:42
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https://imgur.io/a/qAirEjG
Illustrations for the Lycoris Recoil spinoff novel

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For the record, this series was in fact axed. Mikami Teren is quite well-known for creating poly yuri -- in fact, both of his very first two yuri doujin novels ended in poly, and his most successful series (Watanare) has also explicitly committed to poly as of the end of "Season 1" (volume 4 of the LN, with more to come).

(His first two doujin novels):
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B075CW11WT/
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B079DRMPGY/

This series, Moshikoi, was cross-promoted with Watanare's manga adaptation on Niconico.
https://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg472312 (Watanare chapter 1)
https://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg479226 (Moshikoi chapter 1)
https://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg625852 (Moshikoi chapter 15)
You can see signs of why the series was axed in the view counts. Moshikoi started off well, with 90k views, a bit more than 1/3 of Watanare. By chapter 15, Moshikoi only had 15k views, 1/6 of how it started.

For all the posters who are upset by a rare series with clear poly development not delivering, consider voting with your wallet then next time you encounter such a series. Incidentally, Watanare is still ongoing.

Mikami Teren's second most popular series, and his original breakout doujin LN that got him publishing offers to start doing commercial yuri, is Arioto, which isn't poly. Personally, for this series, I was routing for Sayo more than Rinna, so accepting that it had to be axed, I'm satisfied with the ending. Of course, I did buy all the volumes.

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As an incidental piece of trivia, this series is famous for having been featured on Japanese national television for being the winning entry in a highschool Bibliobattle competition.
https://twitter.com/teren_mikami/status/1148944441643638784

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OK, I'm going to do it. I'm going to start discourse. I won't attempt to prolong it in any way however; please feel free to ignore this post (in fact, do if it's going to start paragraphs of back and forth).
Genuinely confused what the appeal of this is. I mean the art's nice but I dunno, I fail to care about anything depicted in this, and the fact that this chick is getting her rocks off on random classmates without anything approaching consent while the manga is drawn by Some Guy puts me, personally, off.
Like, damn, how hard is it to just make another brothel manga.

I wasn't super compelled by this series at first either, but raws are currently out for up to chapter 6 and as of chapter 4 we're in a long story arc about a girl who switched from team to solo sports (basketball -> track and field) because she's self-conscious about her body odour.

Aside from that the artistic depictions of Kaori's excitement get increasingly over the top with each chapter which certainly does provide some humour.

To people on the fence about this series, I'd recommend giving it a chance and sticking it out for at least a bit even if you don't follow it all the way to the end. (If Kaori's objectification of the girls around her is actively offensive to you however feel free to ignore this however; that stuff doesn't stop.)

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Glad to see this translated; you guys are about 6 months late, lol.

They're finally bringing this up, and it's in a special chapter rather than an actual numbered canonical chapter????

Special/Side chapter merely refers to chapters that are not in the standard 4koma format; they're part of the regular narrative progression in every other way.

Honestly, this right here is why this hasn't been a particular favorite of mine. Sakurako has made her feelings clear like 100 times in the past, and the fact that she's only making a deal of it now is so weird to me. If they're ambiguously dating, then they probably aren't being physical either besides those occasional kisses. And Sakurako has made herself clear that she wants to be physical with Kasumi, so she's been holding back this entire time.

This is peak Heisei era nonsense.

As the poster above you mentioned, Kasumi has consistently been portrayed as mostly aromantic and/or asexual. She has made/permitted romantic gestures with Sakurako many times despite this. The explanation is, as Sakurako described in this chapter, that they have built their relationship on multiple implicit understandings -- Kasumi understands that Sakurako is in love with her, while Sakurako understands that Kasumi is not interested in sex/romantic relationships.

Sakurako's question/confession in this chapter does not really introduce anything new; both she and Kasumi are and have been aware of the differences in their physical drives/desires, and explicitly verbalizing the issue won't automatically resolve it. However, it does represent a more proactive approach than they have taken until now.

Regarding what triggered Sakurako to ask such questions now -- in the conversation regarding love and cheating, Kasumi made statements which appeared to dismiss the concept of (passionate) love entirely. In particular, on page 00117, Kasumi criticized "love at first sight" (the idea of confessing to somebody you hadn't even talked to; as Kae mentioned on the previous discussion page, the TL could certainly be improved on that page/bubble). Although Kasumi was only talking from her own perspective, stating that she didn't understand and had never experienced such passion, from Sakurako's point of view she likely felt that Kasumi was criticizing her because Kasumi's words also described Sakurako's immediate attraction to Kasumi herself.

Such criticism would seem to defy the unspoken understandings their relationship had been built on up until this point -- Kasumi's acceptance and occasional reciprocation of Sakurako's romantic feelings, so long as Sakurako respected Kasumi's boundaries -- which is why she was driven to explicitly bring it up.

Ultimately, the fact that Sakurako and Kasumi have different levels of physical desire is actually COMPLETELY FINE and an excellent foundation for a compelling yuri story. The fluffy 4koma format more or less guarantees a happy ending, while the initial developments made it clear early on that the story was indeed about romantic feelings. In the same way that Sakurako's chat with Moka about being happy with an unlabelled relationship made perfect sense at the time, the present developments are also a completely natural extension of Sakurako and Kasumi's romantic dynamic/relationship.

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As for that part, I have to admit, I was a bit stumped too! I guessed maybe she only said that because she and Koharu are so far apart in age and manner of speech. There is possibly the way Koharu said her sentence too though, because it was kind of hard to translate, and it could have also been translated to "Is Onee-san also a strange person from the company?" MAYBE that's what she really meant, but I thought it was so rude to say this that I chose the alternative "different person" instead of "strange person".

https://jisho.org/word/%E5%A4%89%E3%82%8F%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9F

"Strange person" was indeed the correct meaning for this case. The key to this panel is that the "onee-san" in Koharu's question refers to Ayase, not Mizushima.

In other words, Koharu asks:

Does onee-san (Ayase) also act like a weird person at work?"

Causing Ayase to panic because this indicates that Koharu thinks she is a "weird person".

Ayase yells "Generation gap!" to excuse Koharu's perception of her as merely something resulting from their difference in age, rather than because she is doing inappropriate things in front of her.

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Chapter 1 has been voiced in celebration of the release of Volume 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqpwYE4JXAY

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Why even bother translating a series that was axed

Here's the author's blog post about vol 3 (the last)
https://kanalinapictures.wordpress.com/2021/07/17/3巻カバーデザイン/

Here she states that her contract was originally for 2 volumes and that she got it extended to 3 by persistent badgering of the editorial department. Continuing further might've been possible with more sales/popularity, but the story was composed from the start to wrap up in 3 volumes.

Amazon reviews for the series are mixed.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B09BN5RNHH/#customerReviews
One reader claims that it's a happy yuri end. Another says that while the end is uncertain, it provides hope.

In any case it is a shoujo work published under a non-yuri shoujo imprint. In other words, yuri for straight(?) girls. That understandably limits its audience, but I appreciate it.

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Feels like the "Sato" bonus chapter was written specifically to rebuff the "maternal love" interpretation of Sato's feelings for Shio, which I guess I appreciate. Happy Sugar Life is explicit yuri.

Coming back to the series after 2-3 years though, it has a lot of unnecessary het while Kitanai Kimi ga Ichiban Kawaii has superceded it as the better tragedy. Even if Satou and Shio couldn't have a happy (sugar) life, there would've been nothing wrong with giving them a happy (sugar) death. I don't exactly dislike the actual ending but Kitakawa's just looks better in comparison.

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If you liked this, check out another longer subtext work by the same author with similar themes:
https://mangadex.org/title/f48398c1-264f-4b42-82b8-9bb979cf8a7b/kimi-ga-niku-ni-nattemo

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As somebody who's been reading the LNs from when vol1 was first released, it's good to see people enjoying this series.

Spoilers up to vol. 5 with regards to the levels of explicit romance:
As seen in the manga, Yumiko and Chika bathe together and Chika gropes Yumiko's breasts. These are recurring events: bathing together has happened 4 times, while breast groping is more frequent.
Not captured as well in the manga are Yumiko's monologues about how cute/pretty she finds Chika. The LN often features descriptive scenes where e.g. Yumiko bumps into a cute girl in the hallway, going into great detail about the girl's appearance, only for her to turn out to be Chika.
There have been no explicit lesbian couples in the series, nor romantic acts such as kissing. Numerous other seiyuu pairs are introduced who could be seen as subtext pairings (rivals like Yumiko and Chika, or long-term radio partners who live in adjacent apartment units), as well as characters who could be seen as explicitly gay (a seiyuu/seiyuu otaku who reacts extremely strongly to her oshis, or a kouhai who demonstrates fanaticism towards Chika to stalker/obsessive levels). However, as of vol. 5, Yumiko + Chika still seem to be the pair closest to making the jump to a romantic relationship.
Yumiko and Chika's relationship as tsundere seiyuu rivals who elevate each other continues to be developed. Although there have been great scenes where they admit how much they mean to each other, their dominant mode of interaction still leans extremely tsun.
I agree with the assessment of the series as yuri and fully recommend it to yuri fans. However, it should be acknowledged that there is a strong chance the series will never feature an explicitly romantic lesbian relationship.

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Yoru to Umi discussion 24 Jun 02:28
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It may be a bit of a meme, but "all of the emotions a woman throws at another" remains the best definition of yuri I have ever heard (source: irua, but I've also seen it elsewhere in the JP community). In that sense I'd call this series both absolutely yuri and a love story.

Tsukiko is a tsundere who fundamentally stops herself from reaching out to others due to a childhood of disappointment. She's fiercely independent and refuses to hold expectations towards others. Despite this, her encounter with Aya ended up completely transforming her life. Aya is completely responsible for Tsukiko's interest in marine biology (see ch. 1 where she first picks up a reference book) and the first proactive steps she took to define her own life (choosing to stay with Aya throughout highschool, and choosing a career path that would allow her to be together with her). Despite Tsukiko's refusal to show any outward sign of their connection, her relationship with Aya is completely mutual.

On Aya's part, the series was about her journey of coming to understand and accept her connection with Tsukiko -- to see through the tsun and percieve the dere hidden like the moon behind the clouds at night. By the end of the story, Aya arrives at sufficient faith in Tsukiko that she'll no longer push her away herself out of frustration at Tsukiko's lack of (apparent) reaction. This is a consummate form of their relationship and in this state Aya is basically invincible. While unnecessary, it is completely possible to extrapolate the emotional consummation of the relationship in the climax into some form of physical consummation in the future.

In any case, no regrest throwing my money at the Kindle raws of this series. Really hope the author will continue writing (and drawing!) for the genre.

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https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B08T96XRSR/
^ The aforementioned anthology. In terms of new stuff, it includes 2 unscanlated doujins from 2013-2014 plus a oneshot written for the tankoubon.

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The re-serialization is being written differently because the original series already has two volumes published which set up Mikoto and Nekozaki's relationship. Even if the series is being re-serialized, there's no point in treading over the same ground. Arata Iri stated in the afterword of vol 2 that she'd be reworking the series so that it'd still be interesting for readers of the original, and based on this chapter that seems to mean she will be fast-forwarding the romance somewhat in order to get to new material.

It's not really a matter of 'which is better'. The original series is not obsolete. Although obviously Arata-sensei has taken the opportunity to refine the first chapter for the re-serialization, I expect that the plot/development of the new series will diverge/go past the first series fairly quickly once the basic setup is out of the way.

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This is a shit translation btw. For chapter 4 you'd get closer to the actual script by assuming the opposite meaning of every line of dialogue.

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This is my Yuyushiki OTP. Instant fave.

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not yuri anymore

Kumiko going out with Shuuichi in the source material was known since S1. I don't know that the anime was ever explicit enough to override that and call it actual yuri.

On the other hand, per this tweet from the anime thread a while back:
https://twitter.com/ultimatemegax/status/1115692715772141576
In the latest volume of the novels, Kumiko and Shuuichi break up. So it's still up in the air whether Kumiko's really hetero.

Although I do agree with the notion that the series (Kyoani in general) isn't really worth getting invested in. Even Liz and the Blue Bird wasn't particularly interesting on the characterization front, it's only noteworthy yuri-wise due to the production values. Basically, I'd say keep expectations low but wait for stuff to actually come out before deciding if Kyoani shit is "yuri"/"not yuri".

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Anime season 14 Apr 05:28
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So I apparently forgot Sarazanmai was previously announced as an Ikuhara show, but it exists and you should watch it. The focus is on BL rather than yuri this time around but that blemish honestly pales in the face of sheer entertainment value; given the yuri drought this season, do yourselves a favour and check it out.

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Anime season 13 Apr 00:37
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Also! someone who knows Japanese and doesn't mind a bit of spoiler of Euphonium LN, would be so kind as to translate what does this means? https://twitter.com/ultimatemegax/status/1115692715772141576

The non-blurry part says "On this day, Kumiko and Shuuichi stopped being a couple."

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Saki discussion 16 Feb 03:21
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From several posts on the JP Yahoo! Answers it seems the Chuurenpoutou myth was popularized by the 1969-1972 mahjong novel 麻雀放浪記.

Coincidentally enough the manga adaptation of the novel is being scanlated and the first reference to the Chuurenpoutou myth was scanlated just yesterday (ch. 37):
https://mangadex.org/title/5343/tetsuya-jansei-to-yobareta-otoko

The general idea behind the myth is due to the rarity of the 'pure' form of the yakuman, similar to the 13-way wait of the 'pure' Kokushi Musou.
The pure form of Chuurenpoutou is: 1112345678999m
With the given shape, a player can win on any manzu tile 123456789m (the 9 possible winning tiles is the origin of the yaku's name).
However, due to the furiten rule of Riichi mahjong (forbids winning off other players if you discarded one of your own winning tiles at any point), to legitimately achieve the 'pure' form a player needs to complete the hand without ever drawing any duplicates. The occurance of that is rare enough that apparently the hand has been joked about as requiring "a lifetime's luck".

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^

そう思っていると突然その男は僕の見ている目の前でツナギのホツクをはずしはじめたのだ
As I was thinking that, that man suddenly began to unzip himself right in front of my eyes

突然 and 僕 are really common words. If you want to improve kanji recognition/general japanese comprehension, install a browser plugin like rikaikun
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/rikaikun/jipdnfibhldikgcjhfnomkfpcebammhp?hl=en
and make it a habit to read japanese text. Sites like pixiv/syosetu have plenty of fanfic/original fiction to practice on.

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So according to the author's notes the father is Marisa after genderbending herself, whom the author refers to as "Mario".

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^ I just finished reading Lonely Yuri too. That was perfect and left me breathless by the end. Short form visual novels actually are an amazing medium, you really can't find this degree of development and happy ending easily within the pagecount confines of manga or subtext confines of anime. Reminded me for the first time in a while of the kind of emotion that het romance could never hope to hold a candle to.

http://www.dlsite.com/eng/work/=/product_id/RE079647.html
(Minakata Sunao did the art.)