She clearly wasn't fully asleep.

Every time I see this thread I think it's about the band Yui started and then get disappointed it isn't.

This is so generic. It's the oatmeal of manga.

I agree! I read it back when it started, but quickly got tired of it.

Yet somehow it's getting animated and not Swap⇔Swap, which runs right next to it. And is longer-running and better established.

Don't tell me the Ship Ghost is singing music from The Titanic to its victims while sinking ships...

No, that's Granite's staff. It plays situation-appropriate music!

I've read cune since the very first volume and have seen a lot of series in it get cancelled. They all just suddenly publish a final chapter or vanish silently.

Taking a full page to announce a series won't continue, with a statement about it being the author's decision, is not something I've seen done in the magazine's run. It's pretty naive to claim it got axed.

The other two pages in the magazine were dedicated to promoting the volume release.

Having a shorter chapter come out at the same time as the volume release is a thing that happens occasionally.

Cune has a bit of a history of cancelling series right in between volume releases, so the fact that it's still running doesn't necessarily make it safe until volume 2.

(They've also got a history of not actually officially cancelling them, but just having them disappear from the magazine, without an ending.)

Granted, those are both extremely rare and haven't happened in a while, but they HAVE happened.

No, the Japanese word used, 重い (heavy), is the term used to describe extremely overbearing forms of love, such as stalkers and yanderes. Between that and the following comment about that part of her being scary, she's definitely calling Yuki a creepy stalker-type.

Having not actually looked at the English release, I can't really say how much that came through, though!

(Edit: Granted, the term 重い can also be used to describe depressing and serious stories, so I can see there being a possibility of confusion. But with it being a response to her thinking something is romantic and it being followed with a comment about how she's scary, I have a hard time seeing it as calling the story depressing and not as calling her love overbearing.)

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I'm not saying that Kuuko is obliged to marry her or anything, just that it now seems weird how it's been portrayed as some kind of secret crush that Kuuko either doesn't notice or pretends to not notice. It's also unusal for Yukime to be this open about loving Kuuko. Not complaining, it just feels quite weird considering what we've seen before.

Also this girl literally lived a life of solitude and died alone in the snow just because she wanted to be with her, the least she could do would be to not pretend that they only hold hand for platonic reasons. And dismissing Yukime's statement that this was super romantic was kind of a dick move as well.

Tl;dr: I still ship them to pieces, but I feel that Kuuko has crossed the line between trickster and just plain cruel.

From Yuki's perspective it might seem romantic, but from Kuuko's perspective it can be seen as borderline creepy and stalker-ish. Nene even agreed with Kuuko about it. (And was pretty clearly trying to find a nice way to say basically the exact same thing before Kuuko spoke up.)

It IS a series, not a sequel. It's still ongoing. Once this month's portion ends, the translators will likely bundle it into another chapter release.

Considering pretty much every single one of the delays was directly caused by the director, and the team itself went to pretty extreme measures to still meet all the product deadlines, then if the schedule is such a worry then assigning a new director might actually be a better idea.

Christina clearly knows how bad Hazuki is at keeping to schedule, and even outright mentioned it to her face at the end. So it seems a bit inane to mention how a new face might not be able to keep to schedule, when the alternative you want overseeing it is Hazuki.

The fact that lesbian relationships are actually acknowledged as a normal thing and exist in the series around the main pair is pretty significant.

That's one reason I view the teacher's relationship as being a much more important development on that front than Fuyumi and Akiho's existence.

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I, uh,

may have to admit I was wrong about Yukime and Kuuko.

But that's in the next chapter.

Hmm ? What are you talkin-*Flashback to June 2017* Oh, so you are telling me Yuri is not dead ?

That wording, it may come back to bite you.

I, uh,

may have to admit I was wrong about Yukime and Kuuko.

But that's in the next chapter.

I don't know why you're so hung up on a single line, put in as a gag, or why you think that single gag negates everything said in the serious, non-gag parts. Or are ignoring any possibility that Haruko herself could be conflicted about the realization.

Or why you seem to think you know better than everyone else exactly what the author intended with every single detail, as well as everything the author is going to do in the future.

I swear, the hoops some people will jump through in order to interpret something as having no relationship growth just so they can criticize it for having no relationship growth. I get the feeling that even if something like Majyo to Houki to Kurobuchi Megane were just starting its releases today, someone here would claim it was going nowhere and would have a friendship ending.

As obnoxious as when people who whine and criticize various series, claiming they're never going to go anywhere and will have a friendship ending... when barely more than a single chapter even exists yet.

Considering how at this point even all the people around them are basically telling them to just start dating already, I think it takes more leaps in logic to conclude they're never going to get together.

Her saying it would have been more useful doesn't necessarily mean that's what she actually wants.

I'm inclined to believe her initial reaction to be the most honest representation of what she actually felt.

Considering how easily she ended up giving in, it clearly wasn't much of a stretch for her to use her power on it.

The concerns over setting a precedent is Rin's job (and she did bring up those concerns), not Christina's, since the effect of that would be within the company. And Christina is not actually part of their company. Once Rin ordered them to stop their other work and dedicate their work hours to the prototype, it stopped being an unauthorized project, so those concerns aren't really relevant to the presentation itself.

The presented schedule was also drawn up by Rin, who successfully managed the schedule for PECO. If she thinks the schedule is workable, I'm not sure there's a reason to distrust her on it.

And as Hazuki kind of pointed out in the bonus page, someone took a chance on her when she was unknown in order for her to get where she is now.

Christina, an outside party, was also basically telling Eagle Jump that sorry, we don't care what project your company wants to push; we're not going to let you work on anything Hazuki didn't make.

She's in "stern beancounter" job mode here, remember. Any discomfort about it is vented in more relaxed contexts (ie. among peers and/or on off hours).

After the Aoba incident, she lamented in private that if only she had more power within the company, she could have prevented it from happening.

Now she's got a promotion and all the power to act on her own, and she's doing the exact kind of thing she wanted to have the power to prevent.

Edit: And then when it shows her in her off time after the Hajime meeting, she's still acting reluctant about it.

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What bothers me is that just two volumes ago Christina was cursing her inability to get Aoba, the new employee without any history, pushed as the main character designer. But here she's doing the exact thing to Hajime that she was so sore over happening to Aoba.

1, That's not what proof means.

1. None of those lines used words for romantic love in Japanese, so they're not definite and still up to how you interpret it.

2. Convincing people isn't going to win you anything, and won't change the fact that it still hasn't been conclusively stated either way in the series. And anyone who actually cares enough will probably already have their own interpretation, so I'm not sure how successful you'll be.

They also kind of have warped senses, and have only ever said they do it because they enjoy it, so there doesn't seem to be any emotional element to it. Which is why I find it tough to define them as dating.

Akiho and Fuyumi pretty much jumped straight from "childhood friends" to "functionally married" without passing "Go" bothering with the various intermediate steps. To all appearances by now their relationship is such a natural and self-evident part of their lives they don't even think about it and would probably get rather confused if you asked them for some kind of definition.

Hell, Akiho keeps wanting to kiss other girls.

She's also a troll and would hardly be the only one curious about how widely applicable the bodyswap thing is...
Hell.
Fuyumi herself tested the matter with her dog. She STRONGLY DISAPPROVES of the idea of Akiho experimenting with other girls though.

They aren't dating, technically, but they kiss because they want to
The two of them do it for pleasure, not pretend usefulness

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/swap_swap_ch09#5
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/swap_swap_ch19#7

Look, all I'm really saying is that the series itself hasn't said anything definitively either way. And that until it does, Akiho and Fuyumi's relationship is in a bit of a Schrodenger state, and is entirely up to how someone interprets the characters.

Sure, they are effectively already dating, but in many respects so are Natsuko and Haruko. And I can't help but see Fuyumi and Akiho's relationship as being more similar to a more comfortable version of Natsuko and Haruko's than I can to Chinatsu and Miharu's. And I don't think I'm the only one.

So until the series actually touches on it, you're entirely free to disagree with the interpretation, but Chinatsu and Miharu being definitive about it is definitely something novel.

The main difference is Fuyumi and Akiho have already all but confessed to each other
They don't think anything of swapping, or getting naked in each other's bodies, unlike Haruko and Natsuko

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/swap_swap_ch19#8
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/swap_swap_ch14#10 / https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/swap_swap_ch24#7

FWIW Akiho actually did get cold feet about following through with her teasing. One also notes the kissing bit was the only thing Fuyumi has ever expressed a smidgen of jealousy over, so it doesn't seem very far-fetched to assume the act holds real emotional gravitas to them both - quite possibly more than they realised before the matter was brought up.

Incidentally, Haruko by comparison... ( . )( . ) ԅ(≖‿≖ԅ)

Exactly, Akiho cares too much about Fuyumi and vise-versa to follow through with the act
That in itself, shows how much they treat their relationship seriously
You could call them girlfriends or lovers, and it would fit better than calling them just friends. They even respect each other's boundaries better than Chinatsu and Miharu

"All but" still means they haven't actually done it yet, though.

I'm totally fine with people thinking of them that way, though. As I've been saying over and over, at this point it's entirely a matter of interpretation. And with Akiho and Fuyumi only actually playing major roles in a handful of chapters, there's not a whole lot to interpret yet. So there's really no definitive conclusion to be had here. You can't call either interpretation factually incorrect. It's perfectly fine to have a different interpretation than someone else.

The sole reason I've really even continued the discussion at all was in defense of the original point, that the teacher's relationship was something new for the series. Which someone argued was untrue. But despite me restating that point in pretty much every single post I've made, none of the responses have argued any of those parts of my posts. Even though that point was what started the entire discussion.

So I'm not sure why the discussion is still going. I'm not even sure there's actually anything in contention.

I feel like this is the kind of series where it will end up being that they can only swap with a single partner, but there really are too many variables left to conclude it as a fact just yet.

Look, all I'm really saying is that the series itself hasn't said anything definitively either way. And that until it does, Akiho and Fuyumi's relationship is in a bit of a Schrodenger state, and is entirely up to how someone interprets the characters.

Sure, they are effectively already dating, but in many respects so are Natsuko and Haruko. And I can't help but see Fuyumi and Akiho's relationship as being more similar to a more comfortable version of Natsuko and Haruko's than I can to Chinatsu and Miharu's. And I don't think I'm the only one.

So until the series actually touches on it, you're entirely free to disagree with the interpretation, but Chinatsu and Miharu being definitive about it is definitely something novel.

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Yeah but I maintain that intent is important, and you yourself have said they would not likely definitively identify themselves as lovers.

And you'll still have a hard time convincing people that their relationship is a completely normal dating one, not some special case. So again, the appearance of a regular pair of lovers IS something new.

Though you seem to have a pretty wrong impression of Haruko.

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