On the topic of backlash in yuri vs yaoi: It's worth considering that yaoi shipping is (sadly) a predominantly female demography, just like fan fiction, whilst yuri is more gender neutral. And guys can't have what women like, no no no, that's intrinsically cringe.

I can recall criticism of Redo of Healer, but it was quickly shot down the same way men drown out every female objection: by being louder. Emancipated woke feminazis ruining everything, fr. I guess himejoshis are too well-behaved to "win" whilst fujoshis don't get into any crossfire from their negligible male counterparts.

For the sake of not coming of entirely misandrist, I should mention that when shipping, you need to expect storms, embargoes, piracy and even all-out naval warfare. 'Tis the way of fandoms. Amen.

On the topic of Aether: I still can't fathom how Mihoyo could throw away the absolute gold they would've had if the siblings simply swapped outfits. Instead we got legally distinct Gerudo Link and a healer unit from Fire Emblem you get when all the named chars have died. (If you disagree, look up Sorey's Armatization forms. Midriff Lumine should be obvious.)

^Oh yeah I know a lot of Yaoi culture is Fujoshi centered, and stating the obvious Fujoshi are women as the translation is Rotten Girl. Though there are some gay men mixed into the general Yaoi scene as well. Still it's interesting how Yaoi can be really...intense, to say the least, and in ways I generally try to avoid with media personally. Fujoshi is definitely it's own culture, and they can very be intense about it. I'll always remember a friend telling me about how a Fujoshi they were briefly friends with once ran into a book store, and loudly yelled "Where's the gay shit at?!", much to my friend's embarrassment lol

I digress though, moving forward I mean I'm a fan of midriff in general myself, so I'd say midriff for both Aether and Lumine would be a balanced world haha

Oh my LOL

Almost always nice to see someone making progress in inciting the change they want to see in the world, be it even so humble as appreciation of a niche ship, or that one guy who wanted to raise 'demon girls in suits' awareness.

Butt goes binted

now kiss her feet ;)

^ To my understanding, "Yaoi" refers to female-targeted M/M manga, whereas those intended for a male audience are "Bara". (I think; this is probably a sweeping generalization.) There's no such distinction for F/F manga afaik, so you get more interactions/clashes between himejoshi and himedanshi sub(sub)fandoms and their respective expectations, like drama over shipping mortal enemies with another.

Again, greatly abstracted, but I believe the former have a higher tolerance for emotional "complexity" and the latter for sexual "spectacle". Perhaps it's just my own bias, but the toxicity in fanworks is just so much more intricate when targeted at women. Male-targeted works can be just as depraved and offensive (if not worse) but tend to ignore the multidimensional context around the abuse. Or, in regards to smut, to misquote from a 1991 comedy western: "Men just need an [opportunity] to fuck, women need a reason".

To apologize for broad strokes again (hat-trick!), the first author who comes to my mind when it comes to "exaggerated porn which never explores its scandalous setting" is Pandacorya, who is apparently a woman. Maybe my entire point is just me being swamped in the very gender stereotypes I despise so much...

Uh, quick, midriff! Genshin Impact certainly has a lot of it (probably because outside of sheer lingerie, everyone just gets halves of a set) on both guys and girls. Though on the topic of Genshin Yaoi I can't but notice how they've be dialling back the amount of husbandos released, down to 3 out of 18 within the last year. I'd much prefer men being released in lockstep with women (like in HSR) instead of becoming a bishoujo game paying mere lip service to having playable men.

https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/discuss?tag_id=26952 maybe?

Instead of pumping the image comments thread full of paragraphs.

nice!

I'm Marcille

Because we're brainrotted spawns

^The Yuri tag's discussion would be another good place to move this discussion to
https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/5306-yuri-discussion

Indeed yours.

Guess she watched that one Baki the grappler episode the day before

Yeah sorry we got way off track with art discussion. All of this started with discussing the art and controversies around it, to more broader strokes of the fandom, including self insertion, and then into Yaoi. It was a journey lol

I don't really know if I have much else to say. There's always a lot of complications and nuances with all aspects of everything discussed, different people and view points, especially across different social medias and varied pockets of the fandom. All I can really say in closing is that this ship really shouldn't be that big of a deal in my opinion, and shipping policing often is an exhausting waste of time for everyone.

This feels like it should have a "Not Miorine x Suletta" tag

They then held hands and shared a milkshake.

^And then they got pregnant from all the handholding

^Should have been a tag long time ago

When your gf's swimsuit can't support her boobs anymore so you support them yourself with your bare hands

^The spin-off can be tilted "My wife got me pregnant from excessive hand-holding after too many milkshakes"

Oh my, I didn't realize people take offence to absence of brevity here (as opposed to chapter comments). Sorry.

And yeah, looking through the list of pairings ... some didn't even stop at one assassination attempt.

Man the mere existence of Arlefuri just creates paragraphs in the comments.

Anyway time to endorse "A Fatui Harbinger in Lady Furina's Court" by Darlingmistaken.

It's pretty good and wholesome Arlefuri fanfic... Well up until the smut that is, then it gets a little less wholesome. But let's be real if you're reading fanfic you were already expecting that.

^The funny thing is that I don't think anyone that's commented so far is against the ship. The conversation just went to a lot of varied places lmao

And that's how Star Sapphire was born