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In Japan (and in China, dunno where else), it's possible for the groom to take on the bride's name upon marrying if the wife has a more influential family.
This is actually possible in the US as well at least. It's just incredibly uncommon.
If Mei gets married it will no longer be an Aihara business anymore anyways.
In Japan (and in China, dunno where else), it's possible for the groom to take on the bride's name upon marrying if the wife has a more influential family.
That can happen in the West too but you rarely see it, you will most likely only see a hyphen. Fact is that there is no indication that that would happen here. If grandpa is so desperate for a deal that he is willing to whore out his only grandchild then he isn't going to have the advantage in the negotiations.
I guess I should clarify a bit what I meant.
Is not that I believe that Grandpa (and by extension Mei) feel they need to continue the family line so the school is still owned by an Aihara.but rather, that they need a male figure so they can keep control of the school and keep things as they are now. That the responsibility isn't with the Aihara name but with the staff and the students, that the school has grown to be more than just a family business.
Is not that I believe that Grandpa (and by extension Mei) feel they need to continue the family line so the school is still owned by an Aihara.but rather, that they need a male figure so they can keep control of the school and keep things as they are now. That the responsibility isn't with the Aihara name but with the staff and the students, that the school has grown to be more than just a family business.
And yet gramps' first choice was a teacher that how no qualms with preying on female students on school grounds.
If Mei gets married it will no longer be an Aihara business anymore anyways.
In Japan (and in China, dunno where else), it's possible for the groom to take on the bride's name upon marrying if the wife has a more influential family.
That can happen in the West too but you rarely see it, you will most likely only see a hyphen. Fact is that there is no indication that that would happen here. If grandpa is so desperate for a deal that he is willing to whore out his only grandchild then he isn't going to have the advantage in the negotiations.
Lol, no. This is actually pretty common in Japan for the upper class families today. It was common even for the aristocracy back in the old days. If a family has only female heir(s), it is basically customary that the groom will take his wife's name, and be counted under her family tree. And there actually is a pretty strong indication this would happen here, if you know how these things are done, because the current prospective fiance is the second son of another family. First one inherits his family's name and business, the second one becomes an Aihara. You would be surprised how often this is done, it is actually far more common than in the west. Japanese are not fans of bloodlines going extinct.
If your family is prestigious enough, there would be plenty of families more than willing to trade in one of their sons to form a blood bond.
Also, lenne18, it is not that the groom has that option only if his bride's family outweighs his. It is actually an option available to everyone, Japanese family register law dictates only that the spouses are counted under one family, but does not specify which one.
Back in the old days of the aristocracy, before a formal family register law existed, this would have been done by the bride's family outright adopting the groom.
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I guess I should clarify a bit what I meant.
Is not that I believe that Grandpa (and by extension Mei) feel they need to continue the family line so the school is still owned by an Aihara.but rather, that they need a male figure so they can keep control of the school and keep things as they are now. That the responsibility isn't with the Aihara name but with the staff and the students, that the school has grown to be more than just a family business.
...they would keep control through Mei. They do not actually need a husband for this. If a groom is adopted into his wife's family, today, he is often given a position of responsibility within the business, but he usually does not take over the business as a whole, it is still viewed as the prerogative of the wife (not because Japanese upper classes are big on egalitarianism, but because they are big on bloodlines). Their children are the ones for whom all this is aimed at.
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Lol, no. This is actually pretty common in Japan for the upper class families today. It was common even for the aristocracy back in the old days. If a family has only female heir(s), it is basically customary that the groom will take his wife's name, and be counted under her family tree. And there actually is a pretty strong indication this would happen here, if you know how these things are done, because the current prospective fiance is the second son of another family. First one inherits his family's name and business, the second one becomes an Aihara. You would be surprised how often this is done, it is actually far more common than in the west. Japanese are not fans of bloodlines going extinct.
If your family is prestigious enough, there would be plenty of families more than willing to trade in one of their sons to form a blood bond.
Lol, no, I'm calling bullshit. This isn't nearly as common as you are making it out to be at all. Any family that is so desperate for a male heir isn't going to be the one with the advantage in marriage negotiations.
And there is absolutely no indication that would happen here seeing the previous teacher plotting to steal everything away from Mei and run off with his mistress. Clearly showing that the husband isn't in it for the long run.
And yet gramps' first choice was a teacher that how no qualms with preying on female students on school grounds.
Grandpa had no idea of that and as soon he got wind of the shit the guys was pulling, he fired him.
...they would keep control through Mei. They do not actually need a husband for this. If a groom is adopted into his wife's family, today, he is often given a position of responsibility within the business, but he usually does not take over the business as a whole, it is still viewed as the prerogative of the wife (not because Japanese upper classes are big on egalitarianism, but because they are big on bloodlines). Their children are the ones for whom all this is aimed at.
My point is that Grandpa seems like he would rather let Mei take over with no need of a marriage but external factors like Mei's age and yes, her gender force their hand to find a suitor if only to validate Mei's claim over the school.
Grandpa had no idea of that and as soon he got wind of the shit the guys was pulling, he fired him.
He wasn't fired, he resigned. There is no indication that gramps had any hand in it. Why would he care about a teacher kissing his fiance?
My point is that Grandpa seems like he would rather let Mei take over with no need of a marriage but external factors like Mei's age and yes, her gender force their hand to find a suitor if only to validate Mei's claim over the school.
What that... where are you getting any of this? This is just wishful thinking hoping that gramps isn't as much of a piece of shit that we KNOW that he is.
He wasn't fired, he resigned. There is no indication that gramps had any hand in it. Why would he care about a teacher kissing his fiance?
The fact said fiance is his underage granddaughter, it was something that happened in school grounds and that his first impulse at finding Yuzu on Mei's bedroom was to expel her should be enough to prove Grandpa was the one who fired him.
Plus, the explanation for the teacher's absence is a textbook example of excuse to minimize damages.
What that... where are you getting any of this? This is just wishful thinking hoping that gramps isn't as much of a piece of shit that we KNOW that he is.
How is he a piece of shit?
This chapter and the exchange at the hospital shows that he is a stern but reasonable man. And read his dialogue, he express regret over having to push the responsibility to Mei, he acknowledges that the school has grown beyond the Aihara family. He is not perfect by any means but he's doing his best.
Comparison between manga and anime of episode 3
Comparison between manga and anime of episode 3
Sabouruta makes some really, really nice drawings <3
The fact said fiance is his underage granddaughter, it was something that happened in school grounds and that his first impulse at finding Yuzu on Mei's bedroom was to expel her should be enough to prove Grandpa was the one who fired him.
The fact is that his FIANCE is the UNDERAGED granddaughter. The grandpa has planned out their future bedroom antics, why would he care that they do it a little early? And what happened with Yuzu proves nothing, she was already on his shit list and last time I checked he never gave her the okay to bang Mei like he did with the teacher.
Plus, the explanation for the teacher's absence is a textbook example of excuse to minimize damages.
Minimize what damages? The whole school already knows what the dude did, Yuzu told everyone. By not publicly firing him gramps gives the impression that he's perfectly fine with male teachers preying on students, luckily this one resigned.
How is he a piece of shit?
Literally selling his granddaughter for business connections, such a piece of shit that his own son abandoned his own daughter just get away from the dude.
This chapter and the exchange at the hospital shows that he is a stern but reasonable man. And read his dialogue, he express regret over having to push the responsibility to Mei, he acknowledges that the school has grown beyond the Aihara family. He is not perfect by any means but he's doing his best.
No, he's not. He isn't doing his best by any stretch of the imagination. He royally fucked up when he drove his own son to abandon the responsibility. Now he is willing to sell his own granddaughter's chastity to the highest bidder just to save face. He first paired her up with a creep who was going to use Mei to steal the family fortune, and now is trying to sell her to anyone he can before his old ass ends up 6 feet under. He has shown that he can't learn from his mistakes. He continues to put the same pressure on Mei that drove his son away, and he is still trying to sell Mei off despite already almost selling her to an abusive creep. He isn't thinking about anyone but his own legacy. He doesn't care about the students as he treats them like show dogs. When has he ever been shown to care about the happiness of the students or teachers? He doesn't care about his own granddaughter enough to make sure the dude he sells her to isn't going to abuse her. He's just another asshole who won't let the people around him live their own lives, all he wants is control and prestige so that he can have the nicest gravestone in the cemetery.
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The fact is that his FIANCE is the UNDERAGED granddaughter. The grandpa has planned out their future bedroom antics, why would he care that they do it a little early?
I didn't really want to participate, but this one doesn't make sense. Arranged marriage are business or politic arrangements, not prostitution like you claimed; even if I can understand why you'd say that. Having an adult becoming intimate with an underage teenager is morally bad and probably contrary to everything the grandpa believes in.
[...] last time I checked he never gave her the okay to bang Mei like he did with the teacher.
I don't get this either. That sentence actually supports Dark_Tzitzimine's claim about firing (inviting him to resign) the teacher for unsightly behaviour. Grandpa sackedYuzu for sexually assaulting his granddaughter (from his pov) just as he invited the professor to resign after he heard that he French kissed his granddaughter.
Minimize what damages? The whole school already knows what the dude did, Yuzu told everyone. By not publicly firing him gramps give the impression that he's perfectly fine with male teachers preying on students, luckily this one resigned.
Who's to say that Yuzu wasn't spilling a bunch of bullcrap? Firing the teacher directly would have validated Yuzu's claim and tarnished the school reputation. The professor resigned because of "personal reasons", not because "I shamelessly forced myself upon my future bride". Of course, if you look a bit further (and for us) it's clearly to avoid shame and problems.
Just like in other Japanese stories, students transfer because of their parents or personal reasons when it was actually a scandal. Generally, in those stories there's the rumour that surrounds the transfer which happens to be the truth, but the official truth. And that's the point. By not firing him directly, the official truth remains that the professor left for personal reasons and the student was just making dubious claim to have a laugh, after all it was already a problem student from the start, who would believer her? So in the official true side of the story, there was no scandal at Aihara's school and the official reputation is safe.
I think that's a very Japanese mindset when the public order must be maintained even though the situation is a clusterfuck.
He royally fucked up when he drove his own son to abandon the responsibility.
Where are you getting this?
Now he is willing to sell his own granddaughter's chastity to the highest bidder just to save face.
He's saying it's just a social encounter and he's trying to look for a suitable partner for his granddaughter where being married and bearing children is still something expected to happen in his country or at least in his social circle.
He first paired her up with a creep who was going to use Mei to steal the family fortune, [...].
How could he have known that?
He's just another asshole who won't let the people around him live their own lives, all he wants is control and prestige so that he can have the nicest gravestone in the cemetery.
He cares for family and legacy** like UranusAndNeptuneAreJ has been explaining in their posts. It's a different mindset, and I think it's unfair to apply occidental standards to paint him as an irredeemable bastard, while you gladly ignore the moments where he literally told his granddaughter, I quote, volume one, chapter four, official translation :
"Now then, Mei. It's time for you and you alone, to decide how to live your life."*
The bold part is also in the official editing. So yeah, I guess you can disagree with the old man way of life, and have a grudge against this kind of character, but he's clearly not as bad as you paint him to be.
P.S. He's even thanking her to do what she is doing and seems to be try to appease her saying it's just some social encounter. I think this show concerns over Mei's well-being. After that, it's for Mei has to realise what is best for herself, but that's the subject of this volume, I guess.
* ChaosTeam's translation is a bit different, but the idea stays the same, he told Mei that she should live like she wants to. And she is the one who told Yuzu she wants to inherit the school and the she took the decision on her own.
** I'll quote the Lannister father on that subject "It’s the family name that lives on. It’s all that lives on. Not your honor, not your personal glory, family.” Despite being a heartless bastard at times, that sentence actually makes sense if you want to matter in the larger scale of the human world.
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I didn't really want to participate, but this one doesn't make sense. Arranged marriage are business or politic arrangements, not prostitution like you claimed; even if I can understand why you'd say that. Having an adult becoming intimate with an underage teenager is morally bad and probably contrary to everything the grandpa believes in.
A rose by any other name is still just a rose. Arranged marriages are just high class prostitution. The student he is being intimate with is his future wife, decided by the grandfather. He obviously believes that's it's okay, he's the one who set it up. Besides, last time I checked age of consent in Japan ranges between 16 and 18 without parental approval.
I don't get this either. That sentence actually supports Dark_Tzitzimine's claim about firing (inviting him to resign) the teacher for unsightly behaviour. Grandpa sackedYuzu for sexually assaulting his granddaughter (from his pov) just as he invited the professor to resign after he heard that he French kissed his granddaughter.
How does that support their claim? Gramps gave the teacher the okay to eventually bang Mei, he did not such thing for Yuzu. He also never saw the teacher kiss Mei, only Yuzu making the claim that he did. He also never invited the professor to resign since you never actually see that happen or even talked about.
Who's to say that Yuzu wasn't spilling a bunch of bullcrap? Firing the teacher directly would have validated Yuzu's claim and tarnished the school reputation. The professor resigned because of "personal reasons", not because "I shamelessly forced myself upon my future bride". Of course, if you look a bit further (and for us) it's clearly to avoid shame and problems.
The teacher resigned literally after Yuzu made the claim. You would have to be a complete moron to believe the two are not connected, do you think the students and their parents of the prestige academy are really that stupid? There is no avoiding shame and problems, just brushed aside to make the writing more convenient.
Where are you getting this?
The story that you seem to have forgotten about. He left to go travel the world because he couldn't handle the pressure and responsibility put on him, it was even enough to have him abandon his own daughter.
He's saying it's just a social encounter and he's trying to look for a suitable partner for his granddaughter where being married and bearing children is still something expected to happen in his country or at least in his social circle.
Yes, a social encounter to present his granddaughter like a pristine mare ready for breeding.
How could he have known that?
Spent the minimal amount of money doing a background check on the dude. Yuzu found out everything in only a couple of days. Gramps is suppose to be filthy rich, yet couldn't afford a PI to make sure his granddaughter wasn't marrying a scumbag.
He cares for family and legacy** like UranusAndNeptuneAreJ has been explaining in their posts. It's a different mindset, and I think it's unfair to apply occidental standards to paint him as an irredeemable bastard, while you gladly ignore the moments where he literally told his granddaughter, I quote, volume one, chapter four, official translation :
"Now then, Mei. It's time for you and you alone, to decide how to live your life."*
The bold part is also in the official editing. So yeah, I guess you can disagree with the old man way of life, and have a grudge against this kind of character, but he's clearly not as bad as you paint him to be.
No, he clearly doesn't care about his family since he already engaged his daughter to an abusive creep who was going to rob her. Why do you want to gloss over this fact? He can tell his granddaughter whatever he likes, fact is that she didn't going to meeting by herself. He was the one who set it up, he was the one who picked her up, escorted her, told her everything she needed to know about the dude she might marry. And then Mei goes and cries in the corner when everything is all said and done, because grandpa is a prick that is ruining his family's lives.
ChaosTeam's translation is a bit different, but the idea stays the same, he told Mei that she should live like she wants to. And she is the one who told Yuzu she wants to inherit the school and the she made the decision on her own.
Yes, and in the fine print it seems like inheriting the school requires being sold like a piece of meat.
I'll quote the Lannister father on that subject "It’s the family name that lives on. It’s all that lives on. Not your honor, not your personal glory, family.” Despite being a heartless bastard at times, that sentence actually makes sense if you want to matter in the larger scale of the human world.
You literally could not have picked a worse example. The sentence doesn't make sense at all, especially coming from the man who had his son's wife, who he hated since birth, gang raped right in front of him. Not to mention that in an effort to create a glorious family legacy the Lannisters are most likely going to be extinct by the end of the story. Who the fuck care about the family living on if no one in the family is happy? An asshole, an asshole would care about the public being happy with their family image rather than the family themselves.
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@ klice : the grandfather’s quote from volume 1 is in fact a mistranslation. A japanese speaking anon on /u told that the japanese meant something like « you are free to do what you want for a time ». The grandfather seems to give a limited free time to Mei but also reminded her that she’ll have soon to be back to follow her duty.
Anyway, i think he lets her choose but at the same time she feels obligated to do so because she’s thankful to him. A part of him probably knows that she’s cannot dare reject it because she places following her family wishes above everything else.
Like Mei, the grandfather seems conflicted between Mei’s hapiness and the need to assure bloodline for business. Nothing is black or white here, and i like that the chapter 35 shows how different characters like the manager, Mei and the grandfather have to attune their dilemna.
I went back and read all the chapters up to this point again and it really makes a difference when there's no month gap in between chapters. At first I was really annoyed seeing Mei getting dragged off into another love triangle-like arc but the way this chapter played out really got me to change my mind, especially after seeing Mei break down for the first time. This time Mei isn't just letting whoever drag her around anymore -- or at least, she wants to stop it from happening but can't bring herself to do it which is very different from the way things have gone in the past.
I don't think Mei has ever been a completely cold-hearted person on the inside, and I'm glad Yuzu has managed to get that part of her to nearly disappear. Otherwise Mei wouldn't have continually let Yuzu come to school in her getup, hang out after school every day, and I'm sure if it hadn't been for Harumin's sister showing up Mei would have let Nene run around with her blonde hair.
I wonder if she's just doing what grandpa wants because he's getting worse and she just wants to repay him for pretty much raising her before he passes away. The old Mei would have just gone with the plan but now that she's fallen in love with Yuzu it's a fight between choosing her pride or her heart and she doesn't really have anyone who isn't Yuzu to ask for advice.
As for the anime I think it's done such an amazing job at adapting the manga, I'm almost blown away I really thought it was gonna be all sorts of screwed up. But because it's doing such a perfect adaptation I'm a little worried the later episodes will be rushed.
I wonder if she's just doing what grandpa wants because he's getting worse and she just wants to repay him for pretty much raising her before he passes away.
Excpet he didn't raise her, after her dad left she continued to live in their own home by herself. She doesnt even know her own grandfather that well, which makes this whole deal with her wanting to inherit the school more peculiar.
I wonder if she's just doing what grandpa wants because he's getting worse and she just wants to repay him for pretty much raising her before he passes away. The old Mei would have just gone with the plan but now that she's fallen in love with Yuzu it's a fight between choosing her pride or her heart and she doesn't really have anyone who isn't Yuzu to ask for advice.
That is pretty much her motivation, yeah.
Except he didn't raise her, after her dad left she continued to live in their own home by herself. She doesn't even know her own grandfather that well, which makes this whole deal with her wanting to inherit the school more peculiar.
He still made sure all of her needs were taken of and he had daily contact with her at school. That alone makes him a bigger influence on her life than Shou.
Lol, no to your no, Cannibal, I actually spent a decent amount of time in Japan, courtesy of my aunt who lived there for 9 years, and I happen to move mostly in those circles. My opinion was formed on the basis of what I observed, but I guess that pales in comparison to your ability to google stuff (if you even did that much, because honestly, at this point it is obvious you are peddling what you think upper classes are like for facts). Adoption was common for the aristocracy, marrying into the wife's family is common now, in cases where a particular bloodline faces extinction.
This is a country that prides itself in the continuity of its bloodlines, how do you think they managed to keep the same family on the throne for over two and a half millennia? By pure male primogeniture? Look up basically any of their aristocratic families of old, even a cursory reading will tell you that what you are saying is bullshit. Modern business magnates are not much different, and often they also are the descendants of that same aristocracy.
Again, you have no idea what you are talking about, if the family is prestigious enough, potential male fiances would be more than available. Shocking, I know, but the upper classes do not work as often depicted in fiction.
And there is absolutely no indication that would happen here seeing the previous teacher plotting to steal everything away from Mei and run off with his mistress. Clearly showing that the husband isn't in it for the long run.
Actually, he was not plotting to steal and run off. He was just talking about having money and prestige befit of his new position (again, clear indication they intended to make him an Aihara, this is something you just flat out refuse to accept, some families would be fucking ecstatic about this, especially if they are trading in one of their younger sons). It would be somewhat difficult to maintain his new position in society if the first thing he would do was run off with a mistress.
If you actually bothered to read, you would have realised he was talking about being married into money and position, and he would maintain his mistress on the side. He expressly stated the best he would do for Mei is "treat her nicely". Basically, he envisioned a cold marriage, not a get-the-money-then-run scenario. The two years he is talking about ("play the love game for two years") is the facade he intended to maintain until the marriage took place, which would probably be after Mei graduated, hence the wait. After that, the "most I'll do is treat her nicely" would kick in, and the marriage would basically be a formality for him from that point onward.
Also, you are reading it as though the grandfather knew what kind of a bastard the teacher was. The teacher was putting up a facade, I have no doubt whatsoever that his behaviour was impeccable when in public, or in grandfather's presence.
How is he a piece of shit?
This chapter and the exchange at the hospital shows that he is a stern but reasonable man. And read his dialogue, he express regret over having to push the responsibility to Mei, he acknowledges that the school has grown beyond the Aihara family. He is not perfect by any means but he's doing his best.
You are wasting your breath, once Cannibal forms an opinion, it is beyond any discussion. Which is why almost no one bothers anymore.
What do we know about the grandfather? He values the family legacy. He values the continuous good running of the academy. He expects of his descendants to carry the torch. He is disappointed his son abandoned that duty. He expects of Mei to carry it instead. He is arranging prospective husbands for her to meet. Nothing out of the ordinary for an upper class family. He is not being a total controlling dick about it. Mei actually has more freedom than a typical heiress in her place would. Her social contacts are not monitored, her free time is for her to spend it however she chooses, and she actually has a surprising amount of free time, given her responsibilities. As these things go, she actually has a lot of freedom.
At the same time (and these are the things Cannibal wilfully ignores), Mei genuinely cares about the family legacy (that is the whole point, without that, her inner struggle would not fucking exist), she willingly goes along with grandfather's plans (even though her heart is not fully in it), she never objects, and she clearly loves the old man.
Fact is, upper classes do not live the same as lower classes, you can not judge them by the same standards, it is more than just obligation to some abstract idea, there are real, tangible responsibilities here. In this specific case, to the entire staff and student body of the academy.
Since Cannibal is all into reading things in the worst possible light, let us do that here as well. Mei chooses Yuzu, announces their relationship publicly, at which point, grandfather's opinion does not actually matter any more. For reasons I stated in one of my previous posts, Mei would not inherit the position. The academy goes, after the old man dies, to another family. They decide to drastically re-arrange the classes. Standards plummet, enrolment as well, the income dries up, and the whole thing is sold for scrap. Sorry, teaching staff, off to the job market with you. Sorry students, exemplary academic records we could have offered you here are unavailable. I know the upper classes are stereotypically viewed as useless leeches, and there are indeed many who genuinely are like that, but just as often, there is real responsibility attached to positions, and some (Mei obviously falls into this category) take that to heart.
My point is that Grandpa seems like he would rather let Mei take over with no need of a marriage but external factors like Mei's age and yes, her gender force their hand to find a suitor if only to validate Mei's claim over the school.
Those factors probably do play a role (especially the age, more so than the gender in this case, in my opinion, after all they are talking about CEO position, and Mei is not even out of high school yet), I agree, but I also maintain that the continuation of the line is probably a notable factor as well. After all, both Mei and the grandfather are always on about the Aihara legacy. In Japan, longevity of prestigious families is quite important, always has been. And in practical terms, it is the best way to ensure the academy continues to operate as exemplary as it did before.
There is also one more detail that supports the theory about grandfather actually being mindful of his granddaughter's eventual position at the head of the household, and that is the fact he specifically brings up the prospective fiance's calmness and gentleness, as well as experience in management, but also stresses the fact these will be helpful to Mei in her heavy responsibilities. If this would play out as it usually does in real life, he will be given one of the executive positions, but Mei would be the CEO, and their future son (preferably) would then one day take over.
Fuck, by the time I wrote this and had dinner, so much more crap was added, I just do not have the energy to address it all. Nor is there any point in doing so. "A rose by any other name"? "High class prostitution"?? Will you shut the fuck up, you fucking piece of shit, my family engaged in those for generations, and is still doing it now, DO YOU EVEN FUCKING KNOW ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY IS IN AN ARRANGED MARRIAGE????? Newsflash, the world does not fucking work like you fucking imagine it! All this crap about the grandfather, selling Mei as a piece of meat, high class prostitution, these are ALL just your fucking opinions on something you look at as a fucking outsider, and you are looking at it IN FUCKING FICTION AT THAT! I am not saying it is all fucking sunshine and rainbows, but it is also not the fucking things you are peddling here. It is the same fucking story with you every fucking time, Izetta, Yuzumori, now this. You selectively choose parts of the canon, interpret them in a cartoonishly simplistic way, disregard any piece of actual canon that contradicts your interpretation, form these strong opinions, which you then mistake for facts. You dislike the grandfather, I get it. I myself do not actually like him, but I can see where he is coming from. But you then make a mountain out of this dislike, and suddenly he is a cold-hearted bastard who is whoring away his granddaughter. Do you even fucking read what you write, like, ever?? And then your comically stereotypical views on the upper classes kick in, and it is suddenly a fucking high class prostitution. Fuck you. I am done with this crap. Gods, I am an idiot as well. I knew where discussing anything with you leads, and I allow myself to fall for it anyway.
Uranus that just sounds even worse to me than what cannibal said the whole arrange marriage thing ^
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Uranus that just sounds even worse to me than what cannibal said the whole arrange marriage thing ^
Not when he unironically calls it high class prostitution, there is no way in hell I am going to take that as anything other than personal, it shows not only an otherwise comical level of ignorance, but it basically casts an entire class of people as nothing but disposable meat, fucking sold to the highest bidder. It is not all sunshine and rainbows, but it is also not the crap he is pushing, and I am sick of it.
HEY EVERYONE, LET'S GUESS HOW MANY MORE POSTS THIS MUTUAL PISSING MATCH BETWEEN CANNIBAL AND URANUS IS GOING TO GO ON
My vote is zero. Who's with me?
I already said I am done with it, so I guess I am with you. It was a discussion on my part, until I read what he posted while I was typing, and I got livid. Apologies, should have controlled myself.
Don't worry about it. After all the ridiculous stuff this thread has attracted since it started, letting go and just moving forward is move valuable than any apology could be.