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mpgpeg, you know.. I want to comment on something, now we know that Seju's first time was in Sumin's birthday. anyways, Seju herself was in the beginning of her sexual life ( with Sumin barely sticking a finger in her).. do you expect that a man could have sex with her and she wouldn't notice or die of pain XDDD.. I mean mumbling .. but if that was the case, she has all the power to wipe him off the face of earth having Saehyun who knew about Sumin and Seju by intuition only. Also, do you think a bartender of a classy top notch bar would risk his job to sleep with a drunk customer? not only that, she is a freaking chaebol !! how reckless
I was working on the timeline once more, SejuX Sumin's first time didn't happen during the same year Sumin's parents died
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btw, roamsl.. I've been missing your comments for a while now.
I'll be in nora mode for a little, is it this time for sumin's bday? End of autumn?Last week sumin's bday was shown in gajis twitter. So seju might be out getting a present for sumin.. Hehehe
hehehe, you are joking, right? because Sumin's birthday is 12th of July.. so in reality TG weren't wrong.. but Manhwa's time, we are now in the first/second week of November. Seju's clothing bothers me the most!
she was wearing a high neck pullover in ch82 but this chapter she is waaaay out of her office time's dress code, her stomach and arms are all out while she is cold.. and yet sweats alot.. like really !! what's up with the clothing thing!
I have a slight guess that maybe, maybe.. Sumin won't chase after Sungji nor Seju would meet her outside.. but the three would meet at Seju's office. [ I guess Sumin calls would go unanswered so she would rather meet Sungji face to face, Seju's office.. and Sumin needs Seju to confirm her story about the missing pillow.. parallelism to ch55, and wow if Sumin meets the new team leader at the same day hehehe oh, that's a chapter !]
Nora89
first of all.. thanks for taking the time reading such half-assed explained comment XD.
Thank you for your thorough posts. :) Notice how after every chapter, people wait for your analysis? XD Foxy lady was right, you are the Sumin of the forum (sorry you don't have a luxury car or someone like Seju).
It is shown that this kind of rumor was known at some level. You know why Seju accepted to see these blind dates ? TO PROTECT SUMIN !
Never thought about that... but very good point.
they can't be together unless they leave the country. AND they won't leave the country unless they are together.
Hint hint, right?
CORRECT.. dammit, I like sharp people ! hehehe.. the conversation is interesting this way.
Wow, I got that right for once! Awesome.
it's really all about TG willingness to spoon feed AND how much shocking and twisting are they planing to show.
I wonder... What a twist that would be. If I didn't read this forum and that actually happened, I would definitely be shocked.
do you expect that a man could have sex with her and she wouldn't notice or die of pain XDDD
Also, do you think a bartender of a classy top notch bar would risk his job to sleep with a drunk customer? not only that, she is a freaking chaebol !! how reckless
Good questions... I felt something was off as well. Maybe I got so used to situations like that in movies and television that I didn't think it could have been anything else. But I haven't seen one happen to a lesbian who never slept with a man before that. If anything, it would have been with another woman.
Notice how after every chapter, people wait for your analysis?
weallyyy ~ shy face
XD Foxy lady was right, you are the Sumin of the forum (sorry you don't have a luxury car or someone like Seju).
ok, I wonder what kind of rumors did you hear (Foxy.. what did you tell her ? T _ T )
they can't be together unless they leave the country. AND they won't leave the country unless they are together.
Hint hint, right?
hehe, the chairman didn't have time to argue.. he shipped Saehyun all the way back from the States AND Sumin accepted at first, never declined.. just postponed it upon her knowledge that Seju didn't know. BUT, do you see Sumin looking for a job ?! XD
Wow, I got that right for once! Awesome.
I honestly thought that you always have a sharp mind.. this is not a surprise. ( I remember when we first discussed WDTFS together and I answered a question that you didn't ask because I knew you were logical and would ask it)
But I haven't seen one happen to a lesbian who never slept with a man before that. If anything, it would have been with another woman.
as far as I know, a single finger hurt her a little in ch10 even though she was very turned on. So..
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Nora89
weallyyy ~ shy face
Haha, yes, I have noticed this and I could also speak for myself too.
ok, I wonder what kind of rumors did you hear (Foxy.. what did you tell her ? T _ T )
lol Oh, curious, who was the first to come up with the hypothermia theory? Was it Foxy lady, you, or both reached the conclusion separately?
Sumin accepted at first, never declined.. just postponed it upon her knowledge that Seju didn't know. BUT, do you see Sumin looking for a job ?! XD
Could you imagine her reaction if she finds out...? Depending on the situation when she does, she might finally be happy.
I remember when we first discussed WDTFS together and I answered a question that you didn't ask because I knew you were logical and would ask it
Yes, I remember too. That was pretty cool. It was regarding whether Sungji and Sumin were possible or not.
as far as I know, a single finger hurt her a little in ch10 even though she was very turned on. So..
Do you think her and Sumin ever used toys? Would that make a difference? XD
Haha, yes, I have noticed this and I could also speak for myself too.
Thanks a lot for having the time and interest to read the comments I make. <3
ok, I wonder what kind of rumors did you hear (Foxy.. what did you tell her ? T _ T )
lol Oh, curious, who was the first to come up with the hypothermia theory? Was it Foxy lady, you, or both reached the conclusion separately?
It was Foxy lady, I was sure that Seju didn't sleep with him.. at least willingly.. but Foxy is always 3 steps ahead of me XD .. then she asked me if I would bet against this theory, and I, a suicidal gambler.. refused XD
Could you imagine her reaction if she finds out...? Depending on the situation when she does, she might finally be happy.
not only that.. they will actually continue from where they left off in ch10.. how romantic is that! XD (but it really means that they won't start over.. but try again)
Yes, I remember too. That was pretty cool. It was regarding whether Sungji and Sumin were possible or not.
hehe.. I found the comment and added the link in the above comment.. YUP, you were sharp from the very beginning that a particular someone suspected you XDDD
Do you think her and Sumin ever used toys? Would that make a difference? XD
nope, I don't think so.. in ch10.. when Seju was slightly hurt by a single finger, Sumin's parents where in Malibu where they "died".. so they really didn't have the chance to stretch things before the bartender incident XD
Foxy lady and Orange
On another note, Foxy Lady you typing almost all your comments from your phone is quite a feat XDDD
I sure hope you have a big ass phone screen XDDhahaha.. no.. it's a matter of preference, Orange ... i'm a minimalist. I like the concept of "function" since it gives meaning to an existence.So, i chose a phone that is smart enough to argue..it's called smartphone... hahaha...
I was also shocked by this fact!.. I mean, I might have a great photographic memory but I'm ridiculously short sighted (to a point that Lasik wasn't enough.. I still wear glasses) AND I can't hear well.. so basically phones are the worst devices I would ever have to deal with.
hehe I stopped buying them.. I am using my mom's older cell phone XD
you are so talented, gosh.. I can't catch up XD
maybe that's why I love big boobs.. I'm short sighted XD
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Nora89
Thanks a lot for having the time and interest to read the comments I make. <3
They're are always interesting, so no problem. :)
It was Foxy lady, I was sure that Seju didn't sleep with him.. at least willingly.. but Foxy is always 3 steps ahead of me XD .. then she asked me if I would bet against this theory, and I, a suicidal gambler.. refused XD
I still have my reservations about it, but I wouldn't bet against it either. If anything, I'm sure she didn't like it or really want it... You can't give consent if you're that drunk. I wonder how much she remembers of that incident.
not only that.. they will actually continue from where they left off in ch10.. how romantic is that! XD (but it really means that they won't start over.. but try again)
Speaking of the ending being hinted at since the beginning... Chapter 86 adds a new light to chapter 10 as well, showing how much the rings meant to each other.
so they really didn't have the chance to stretch things before the bartender incident XD
True. Sumin has only been seen using toys once I believe and she didn't like it for various reasons.
mpgpeg
I still have my reservations about it, but I wouldn't bet against it either. If anything, I'm sure she didn't like it or really want it... You can't give consent if you're that drunk. I wonder how much she remembers of that incident.
mmhm.. yes sure. BUT, look at the very last panel of ch25 (it was after he, and Sumin left.. Seju is still covering herself with the blanket.. she was still cold or at least her temperature was low)
Speaking of the ending being hinted at since the beginning... Chapter 86 adds a new light to chapter 10 as well, showing how much the rings meant to each other.
very good. I remember saying that given what the ring meant to Sumin and how she defined it as a promise between her and Seju.. no wonder Seju felt like they were over upon Sumin's underestimation of it. "what's the big fuss about that stupid ring" and her cancelation to every future plan.. their life they wanted and their dreams.. and telling Seju to go alone instead. The whole conversation and her blaming Seju for her parent's death really were nightmares. The writer said that Seju had to go through alot during the time Sumin was grieving.. so even the preexisted condition between them before that day was truly hard on both of them.
back to the rings, do you know that Seju has both rings, her's and Sumin's?.. Foxy lady " Seju has to give Sumin's ring back"
True. Sumin has only been seen using toys once I believe and she didn't like it for various reasons.
remember in ch4? Seju was pleading for gentleness.. because 3 fingers were just too much! Gold Star indeed XD
Nora89
it was after he, and Sumin left.. Seju is still covering herself with the blanket.. she was still cold or at least her temperature was low
Interesting...
her cancelation to every future plan.. their life they wanted and their dreams.. and telling Seju to go alone instead. The whole conversation and her blaming Seju for her parent's death really were nightmares.
I agree, that must have been heartbreaking.
back to the rings, do you know that Seju has both rings, her's and Sumin's?.. Foxy lady " Seju has to give Sumin's ring back"
Yes, as indicative of that panel with the flowers in chapter 25. Good job noticing they had their rings on when they had their first time. That is easily overlooked.
Team Gaji has definitely shown that the details matter in every panel. Like that one panel showing Sumin's bed with only one pillow in chapter 86. Very meticulous.
remember in ch4? Seju was pleading for gentleness.. because 3 fingers were just too much! Gold Star indeed XD
This made me laugh. XD I guess that comes with experience.
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mpgpeg Nora89 Y'all talking some juicy stuffs there, let me butt in a bit :P
what does Seju hates the most?
Hate is a strong word. I doubt she means the male gender. She seems to get along well with her male employees. My guess is she means a personality type, gender may have something to do with it too.
The main reason I'm holding back on accepting the hypothermia theory is... that it is kind of abstract for your average reader to understand. I wonder how Team Gaji would effectively explain it to the reader if that was the case, have a doctor do so, or a witness? The bartender himself? I am not sure. It is noteworthy how Seju was affected by alcohol in chapter 84 though. It showed her low tolerance.
Me too. Hypothermia is a really wild guess. I have no idea how Foxy came up with it so early on... If it turns out like that, well, GOOD JOB FOXY, YOU HAVE REACHED A NEW LEVEL! (or maybe you are at that level all along, it is just me/us are at the crazily low level). It is necessary that Gaji breast feed (please!) this one to me. The "hints" Nora cited are not sufficient for the average readers, and author should know their target readers (at least that was what I was taught in school).
remember in ch4? Seju was pleading for gentleness.. because 3 fingers were just too much! Gold Star indeed XD
Hmmm, was it because of 3 fingers or the thrust or the doggy position XD. According to Sumin, Seju's body liked it XD.
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hlama
My guess is she means a personality type, gender may have something to do with it too.
That's what I thought at first. We'll see!
Maybe "hate" as in sexually? That is a definite I think, but I'm not sure if that's what she meant in this case.
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Life lesson: Never hide anything from your GF xDDDD, she WILL know. Just tell her the truth and be done with it or dont do it at all.
But seriously though, have ever any of us seen a CEO going to work and wearing a sleeveless cropped top that conveniently reveals her belly button? Cause I cant tell if Seju is going to work or doing sth else #___________#
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One question though, have Sungji ever said something meaningful to Sumin like Seju did in the past like "you just need to be by my side", etc...?
I'm sorry, my memory failed me this time since I just remember she asked from Sumin like couple look or giving her her heart or saying "I love you" and demanding her to know what Sumin likes from her. Right?
Have she ever said something meaningful?
Because if my memory serves me right and what the last chap has shown me, it seems SuminxSungji's relationship is quite shallow compare to SejuxSumin's in the past?
I'm trying to come up with the ending so I'm wondering this.
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But seriously though, have ever any of us seen a CEO going to work and wearing a sleeveless cropped top that conveniently reveals her belly button? Cause I cant tell if Seju is going to work or doing sth else #___________#
Sleeveless is fine if she expects to wear the coat the whole time at work. What belly button? I thought she was wearing a belt?
I'm sorry, my memory failed me this time since I just remember she asked from Sumin like couple look or giving her her heart or saying "I love you" and demanding her to know what Sumin likes from her. Right?
I remember she said something quite touching in one of the bed talk, forgot which chapter. Something along the line of at first I thought I would be happy just looking at you, then I realized how good it felt to touch you, to kiss you. It was so hard loving you, but it was fine because sometimes it was good. And then there was a bus talk from sumin, after the cheating incident, sumin was sitting in the bus with sungji while sungji felt asleep, I forgot the wordings but something along the line of I picked up the habit of collecting random dolls because of you etc. Now that I think about it sumin mentioned something about sungji skipping lunch and she was worry... She said the same thing to Seju... --.--
Hha
Because if my memory serves me right and what the last chap has shown me, it seems SuminxSungji's relationship is quite shallow compare to SejuxSumin's in the past?
I always want to put the "perception" disclaimer when it comes to this, but it's kind of hard not to see what you have seen in these recent chapters. Especially during their morning talks.
In the beginning of their relationship, they had their moments, but as the relationship develops, it becomes apparent whether it has the substance to last or not.
Overall, I have noticed a lot of repetition in the content they talk about. Like in this last chapter and in chapter 79 regarding Sungji getting free coffee.
Like what hlama mentioned too:
Something along the line of at first I thought I would be happy just looking at you, then I realized how good it felt to touch you, to kiss you.
That was said in chapter 84 most recently, chapter 64 as well, and the topic of Sungji loving Sumin's face has been mentioned many times, if I recall. How deep is that exactly? To me, it's not the deepest it could be, honestly.
The sex scene in chapter 85 where Sungji asked Sumin what she loved about her, the first thing that came to mind for Sumin was her beauty. And the last chapter shows more of Sumin's thoughts towards Sungji.
Sungji herself is realizing that Seju's relationship with Sumin is hard to beat. They let their guards down with each other. As many have said before, Sumin and Sungji's relationship has been very... cautious.
hlama
Hate is a strong word. I doubt she means the male gender. She seems to get along well with her male employees. My guess is she means a personality type, gender may have something to do with it too.
possible.. but I know that she hates men especially those who have interest in her or belittle her. (blind date, the employee in ch79, and ch10 the bartender.. let alone her brothers)
I am aware why she hates all of them, it's just I get the vibe that Seju hates everyone who doesn't take her seriously or looks at her as a piece of meat (men + Nammi XD)
Me too. Hypothermia is a really wild guess. The "hints" Nora cited are not sufficient for the average readers, and author should know their target readers (at least that was what I was taught in school).
well, I'll also take Foxy's approach, sharing rather than convincing.. it's a very educated guess if we may say... but still a guess XD
Hmmm, was it because of 3 fingers or the thrust or the doggy position XD. According to Sumin, Seju's body liked it XD.
obviously, Sumin was taking a revenge for her hurt bride from ch3, Seju knew that there was something wrong.. I mean, I think Seju likes gentle sex like the one she dreamt about.
mpgpeg
Maybe "hate" as in sexually? That is a definite I think, but I'm not sure if that's what she meant in this case.
well, remember that in ch62, phone call.. she didn't like getting male's applications for the Team Leader's position (she hated it).. so, the type she would hate for the job includes MALES hehe.
yoonie0104
Life lesson: Never hide anything from your GF xDDDD, she WILL know. Just tell her the truth and be done with it or dont do it at all.
the funnies part is: Sumin hid many things and got away with them.. such as the house ownership, her meeting with Seju in ch74, again the phone call she made behind Sungji's back in ch75, her meeting with Seju at a HOTEL in ch76.. lying to Sungji right on her face about not sharing the same space with Seju while conditioning Seju to be in the same space unless they are sleeping or she is working XDDD.. many lies !
(oh, I just counted the one after ch56 only)
But seriously though, have ever any of us seen a CEO going to work and wearing a sleeveless cropped top that conveniently reveals her belly button? Cause I can't tell if Seju is going to work or doing sth else
she went to work given her conversation with Sumin.. the Team Leader maybe invited her and she wanted to share the info with Sumin but the later cut her off (because then it will be obvious why Sumin suddenly called Seju for lunch XD..)
About Seju's clothing, this is weird I agree.. this was never Seju's office hours dress code.. AND the weather!
she has cold, she IS feeling cold.. why letting her belly showing out !! madness.. I know Gaji long enough to say this is not a mistake.
Hha
One question though, have Sungji ever said something meaningful to Sumin like Seju did in the past like "you just need to be by my side", etc...?
in Sungji's defense, she only dated Sumin 4.5 months.. ONLY.
from ch24 (was their first date, and Sumin mentioned that it's one week before her birthday, so 5th of July).. and now you know that we are somewhere between the first and second week of November. ONLY 4.5 months.. can you really have any kind of requests ? actually, what Sungji asked Sumin was to tell her how she feels honestly in ch40. Guess, it was never easy for any of them.
Ladies, and gentle ladies.. (and everyone in between)
I have been working on this to show that Sumin and Seju's first time DIDN'T happen during the same year Sumin's parents died.
(I was lazy, so I wrote it on a piece of paper) XD
http://imgur.com/a/HvLQ7
one negative comment about my handwriting and I will strangle your cat, and play Despacito in your dreams all night long.. I MEAN IT
so, chronologically we have the following:
Sumin giving Seju the ring
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Their first time having sex (at least 11 years ago)
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Sumin's parent's death ( at least a year later)
you don't believe me, fine.. take note of Seju's hair length in ch8 and compare it to ch10 and 11, 86.
(Is that wite out? People still use wite out? WTF)
(Is that wite out? People still use wite out? WTF)
YES, I buy them in a three-pack set yepppyy XDDD
I swear, there are sexier aspects in my personality besides wite out addiction and a terrible handwriting, sigh
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you don't believe me, fine.. take note of Seju's hair length in ch8 and compare it to ch10 and 11, 86.
I kind of guessed that their first time was before Sumin's parents died just by looking at Seju's hair lenght.
(Is that wite out? People still use wite out? WTF)
YES, I buy them in a three-pack set yepppyy XDDD
Okay, that's freaking adorable, I just have to say it. xD
cookie_mobster
Awwww, thanks a lot.
Okay, that's freaking adorable, I just have to say it. xD
see, hlama.. it's adorable and cute! I'm gonna make wite out great again XD
I kind of guessed that their first time was before Sumin's parents died just by looking at Seju's hair lenght.
the critical part that they had it first time during Sumin's birthday and the bartender incident happened almost a year later.. So, Sumin got the news in ch10. about her parents death (and ch10 was almost a year after ch8.. that's why we have other memories of them in bed.. like ch19, ch72 and I argue ch32)
but I don't know who would do a better job at making Sungji happy.
No one. Same for Seju.