and bolsters my belief that you do not and will not understand depression.

In your own weird pov.

Sorry Sia ue if i don't discuss Depression with you anymore. I'll give you points for trying to understand it but that's all because i'm having a hard time believing you do understand it.

I am curious though, as you are a Sumin "fan" why does it feel like you do nothing to defend her? Why do you argue so much with the only two other people who actually show they like her?

I like Sumin because she is reasonable, mature, loyal, strong,... I can write a book defending her. You guys' Sumin is unreasonable, childish, depressed, weak, damaged, fragile,.... We are not on the same team.

She's not really strong. If she was, she'd break things up with Seju for good a long time ago. And she wouldn't let Seju onto her in the office when she was in a relationship with Sungji.
She's partially reasonable.
She's not depressed. She was 10 years ago when she's lost her parents. It's you who say she's using her depression to achieve something when it's not true. But you'll never understand it because you can't see the difference between depression and depressed state, they're both the same to you when in reality they're not. It's Seju who's starting to show signs of depression now, but somehow you never said she's using it to get what she wants...
She is damaged. But so is Seju. You can't not be damaged after everything they faced. The only not damaged character is Sungji.
She's both mature and childish and it's perfectly normal. So is Sungji. The only fully mature character is Seju.
She's a complicated character with many layers and this makes her the most interesting to me.

Yes, we do read her differently. But we don't read her the way you say we do.

waiting for Sia's katana comment XD

Foxy lady

can I ask you what do you think about Saehyun statement at the hospital to Sumin: the compensation wasn't the money, but that you were also given the chance to take revenge on her.

in my humble understanding, I thought that giving Sumin a scar, led Seju to feel guilty and live in order to take responsibility and at the same time keep Sumin sane, because if Seju was to lose reasons to live, Sumin would forever feel guilty and ruined -and lose her opportunity to take revenge-.
another purpose, is to tie them together.

but now, Seju didn't cheat, most probably Saehyun would have known about it, why would he use the word "revenge" then revenge for what ?

She's both mature and childish and it's perfectly normal. So is Sungji. The only fully mature character is Seju.

Not sure i agree that Seju is fully mature : p

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Es0teric I want to clarify this.. whether Sumin is mature or not is completely unrelated to Seju's maturity and vice versa. And when we discussed Sumin, Seju was out of the discussion scope at that moment.

Es0teric I want to clarify this.. whether Sumin is mature or not is completely unrelated to Seju's maturity and vice versa. And when we discussed Sumin, Seju was out of the discussion scope at that moment.

Not quite sure what that has to do with me joking around with Izz.

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Es0teric I want to clarify this.. whether Sumin is mature or not is completely unrelated to Seju's maturity and vice versa. And when we discussed Sumin, Seju was out of the discussion scope at that moment.

Not quite sure what that has to do with me joking around with Izz.

nothing. sorry

That's ok. I don't actually believe anyone is fully mature, fictional or non-fictional which is why i said that.

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She's both mature and childish and it's perfectly normal. So is Sungji. The only fully mature character is Seju.

Not sure i agree that Seju is fully mature : p

I think she is. Or at least the most mature. Sumin can literally act like a kid from time to time, never seen Seju do it ;) or maybe I can't remember. But I do see her as a mature character.

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She's both mature and childish and it's perfectly normal. So is Sungji. The only fully mature character is Seju.

Not sure i agree that Seju is fully mature : p

I think she is. Or at least the most mature. Sumin can literally act like a kid from time to time, never seen Seju do it ;)

You should read up on Regression (Psychological). Granted it was a theory started by Freud who was a bit questionable, but interesting none the less as others have come up with their own theories behind it.

waiting for Sia's katana comment XD

Sorry. I feel offended. My final is approaching as well. Have fun. Bye.

She's both mature and childish and it's perfectly normal. So is Sungji. The only fully mature character is Seju.

Not sure i agree that Seju is fully mature : p

I think she is. Or at least the most mature. Sumin can literally act like a kid from time to time, never seen Seju do it ;) or maybe I can't remember. But I do see her as a mature character.

No, she is not. Examples for it is a lot. Her rude outburst to Sungji when she was sick. Her attitude at the beginning of the conversation this chapter. Her sensitive reactions the last chapter. Her-pride-is-too-high chilidish way.

Well, Sumin is cute and like a kid sometimes, Sungji too while Seju is always collected and calm. This is their appearance, not personalities.

She's both mature and childish and it's perfectly normal. So is Sungji. The only fully mature character is Seju.

Not sure i agree that Seju is fully mature : p

I think she is. Or at least the most mature. Sumin can literally act like a kid from time to time, never seen Seju do it ;)

You should read up on Regression (Psychological). Granted it was a theory started by Freud who was a bit questionable, but interesting none the less as others have come up with their own theories behind it.

I think it's too severe and none of WTDFS characters are showing any signs of it ;) if you have a link to something based on Freud's definition then please, share, I'd love to read about it. But pure Freud's definition is too... hardcore.

She's both mature and childish and it's perfectly normal. So is Sungji. The only fully mature character is Seju.

Not sure i agree that Seju is fully mature : p

I think she is. Or at least the most mature. Sumin can literally act like a kid from time to time, never seen Seju do it ;) or maybe I can't remember. But I do see her as a mature character.

No, she is not. Examples for it is a lot. Her rude outburst to Sungji when she was sick. Her attitude at the beginning of the conversation this chapter. Her sensitive reactions the last chapter. Her-pride-is-too-high chilidish way.

Well, Sumin is cute and like a kid sometimes, Sungji too while Seju is always collected and calm. This is their appearance, not personalities.

I don't think we can judge her outburst on Sungji, she had a fever back then. She's showing signs of depression these days so she's not 100% herself either. I think the only pure childish behavior without any other stimulants was when she touched Sumin's leg in chapter 77. Other than that, she always appeared completely mature to me.

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Hmmm... Interesting... My views? One can't be mature at the same time childish.

My views still encompass that : )

Seriously, Antoine de Exupery's Little Prince, "Never lose the child in you", encompasses a lot of philosophical views: Christianity, Confucianism, Buddhism.... to say the least.

Christianity as a philosophy is a new one to me. Interesting.

Then, what is your definition of cheating? For just like "sex", it must have consent. Otherwise, it is considered rape. That is why TRUE GENTLEMEN, decline sexual intercourse with a drunk woman because even if they say, yes, still they are not in a disposition to make that decision. Logically to be able to give consent, you must be in a mental state of soberness.

It was Seju's fault for getting drunk. It was her mistake, and for the record, a lot of one night stands happen at the bar where people get drunk and get wasted. Lot of them are just two people get high on each other, wake up and leave.

Yes, maybe that man has taken advantage of her in her drunken state, maybe not even get her consent but she indeed has spent the night with that man, we never know for sure but in my book, that's a cheating. Cause when I put myself in Sumin's shoes, I will think of it as a cheating. If getting drunk then sleep around with other people and claim "I'm not in my right mind" excuse to dodge your responsibility from your partner then thousands of men who are in relationship would go to bar every night, hitting on a girl, getting drunk and God knows what happens next, this is not my fault cause I'm not in my right mind.

Bottom line is, when you're in a committed relationship, you tried your hardest to avoid getting drunk or wasted at a foreign place, just in case sth would happen and out of respect for your partner and if sth indeed happened, you shouldn't blame on alcohol or other factors, the one you should blame first is you yourself.

So, personally, I wont use or try to find any excuses for Seju in this incident. Cheating or not cheating, tricked or not tricked, it is her fault. However if she was tricked, this would be another thing already.

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Foxy lady allow me to say this to yoonie0104 ,

she meant by Hypothermia and it's remedy + the mauntain rescuers being sued for sexual assaults that <- no sex happened !

I don't think we can judge her outburst on Sungji, she had a fever back then. She's showing signs of depression these days so she's not 100% herself either. I think the only pure childish behavior without any other stimulants was when she touched Sumin's leg in chapter 77. Other than that, she always appeared completely mature to me.

When you're sick, you have the right to be rude to the person who solely wanted to help you? It's ok to decline help other person is offering but in Seju's manner and situation Sungji and Seju are in, it's called immature.

Anyway, my point is, all three of them have their moments, from immature to mature. It's just that Seju is appearing to be calmer, more collected and more serious than the other two.

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But getting down from cloud 9 and get into the brass stacks, depression can only be cured by the person concern. It is a matter of choice. Just like Mr. Choi said rather than succumbing to depression, "I am awesome....". Whatever the mind conceives, it takes form.

Wow. I have no words to give except stay away from those with an actual depressive disorder, you'll do more harm than good.

With viewpoints like this I'm out till this depression discussion ends.

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Wow. I have no words to give except stay away from those with an actual depressive disorder, you'll do more harm than good.

so please please stop it.. if you want us to stop discussing it, do please drop it and refrain from personalising it so much.. non of us is Sumin or whatever !
okay Sumin is depressed and no one else is in the whole manhwa.. what else !

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I don't think we can judge her outburst on Sungji, she had a fever back then. She's showing signs of depression these days so she's not 100% herself either. I think the only pure childish behavior without any other stimulants was when she touched Sumin's leg in chapter 77. Other than that, she always appeared completely mature to me.

When you're sick, you have the right to be rude to the person who solely wanted to help you? It's ok to decline help other person is offering but in Seju's manner and situation Sungji and Seju are in, it called immature.

She had a high fever. Human brain is unable to think straight under high fever and if the fever is very high we can't remember what was going on around us. Happened to me once (40C when I was a kid) although I'm weak to fever in the first place and I sleep once my body temperature hits 38C. And yeah, I'll snap at anyone who disturbs my sleep at that time. It's the only thing I want to do.

Anyway, my point is, all three of them have their moments, from immature to mature. It's just that Seju is appearing to be calmer, more collected and more serious than the other two.

And this is the reason why I see her as a mature character. If TG would've showed her childish face more than once (wich can be taken as teasing) then my reading of her would've been different :)

@Nora
I am guilty sometimes of writing comments not because it is in my heart but to reach out to all possible perspectives of an issue to address the ambiguity.

well, they need a third eye to get them sometimes XD.. but they are well supported, even if they are hard to get at the first read

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If we assume Seju might've not cheat just because there might've been no sex then Sumin for sure didn't cheat because there was no sex.
Nope, that's not how it works. Going with this logic Sumin never tormented Seju because Seju agreed to it and wanted it.

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well, you realise that I printed screen the PURE CLEAR picture of Sumin being fingered by Seju!
oh no, that's not sex !! where is the picture of the bartender actually doing the nasty on Seju ??!!!
if what Seju was doing to Sumin is not sex, then basically all gold star lesbians are virgins !
oh wait, did someone call me out somewhere ?? XDDD.. not yet ? where is the fun then

before you answer me, please reread the chapter, print screen the panal for me showing me the act of the bartender doing it on Seju, this is a NSFW material, TG aren't shy to show it. otherwise, it will be pointless to move further with this idea!

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well, you realise that I printed screen the PURE CLEAR picture of Sumin being fingered by Seju!
oh no, that's not sex !! where is the picture of the bartender actually doing the nasty on Seju ??!!!
if what Seju was doing to Sumin is not sex, then basically all gold star lesbians are virgins !
oh wait, did someone call me out somewhere ?? XDDD.. not yet ? where is the fun then

Huh? She has her pants on.
Seju and the bartender slept together, naked. And Seju admitted to it between the lines. Even TG called it her mistake so it did happen. There's nothing ambiguous about that to me.

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