dont agree arc 1 is about Sumin, arc 2 is about Seju xDDDDDD.

I never thought of that.. nor that I believe it's true. In the first arc we got the building up of the story quite nicely and about the three .. even if we didn't see Seju alot, she appeared in flashbacks constantly.
The rest of your post; I'm somewhat close to what you are thinking.
Notice: first season; Sungji's shirt is all buttoned up.. Seju seems to push Sumin a bit towards Sungji's direction.
Second season; Sungji's shirt is a bit loose, Sumin completly looks at Sungji and Sungji touches her but Seju's touch is towards the other dirction and on Sumin's tattoo ( think of ch27 flashback at the end of ch55)
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Third Season; I wont talk about it much, other threads already think im delusional hehheheh

Agree. Such a shame they're not a real couple, they're so close though :). I like them more than moonsun, probably because they're more subtle, not expressive like moonsun but I can see they're very close by actions and gestures so I like it more =)))))). I've kept an eye on them lately :)

Isn't lezhin has admitted that taeyeon is indeed the muse of sumin somehow?

Oh, when? I thought it's just rumor?

I don't know about seju though..... I don't see any resemble of seju and Tiffany.

Uhm, tbh, it's hard to find a person who resembles Seju. Seju has this kind of look which is a little bit evil, sharp, sexy and flirty. Sumin is easier, just find someone who look cute and cool at the same time, Sungji is even way easier, just dye your hair blonde and being uptight =))))).
But if tiffany dye her hair light pink, maybe it will be easier to imagine =))))))), pardon my perverted side, but tiffany has physical assets that Seju has =))))). believe me, I check when they said tiffany looks like seju =))))))

Dunno, but lezhin has mention taeyeon with sumin before, along with similar comparison of both of them.... since they can't say right away that sumin is indeed taeyeon (sm will sue lezhin... lmao.. we know how shady her company is)..

You mean her breast? Don't think so... lmao... taeyeon even jokingly said that Tiffany is lacking in that criteria before... dunno now... but yeah, they're cute together...

You need to check out moonsun... people might say they do too much fans service.. since both obviously know fans ship them together.... but the thing is... sometimes they do some discreet and subtle moves, especially in their 1st-2nd year. They look close and adorable together with their bickering.

Back to wdtfs....

No one have prediction for the new chapter?

No one have prediction for the new chapter?

More drama ; )

I like the fact that Team Gaji have pretty much said that the story will be different depending on whom you empathize with, our discussions on here pretty much show that.

Story wise, it's still the same to me though, character wise, of course it's different =))))))))), each of us wants what we want for the characters we love =)))))). We want what best for the character we love =))))), that's the only thing different.

Third Season; I wont talk about it much, other threads already think im delusional hehheheh

We're all called delusional, Nora. Immature, teenagers, never fall in love before, if I might add xDDDDDD

But well, you gotta believe in what you think is right first before anything =))))))), only till the end we might know who would be the delusional one =))))))).
I might not agree with you on the ending but I wont call you delusional, I like your determination. If all readers think and go for the same ending, where is the fun of the story? Those who called you delusional are the narrow-minded ones, not you. In here, just say whatever you want, Nora :), it's about fun, not about judging other readers :)

No one believed Earth has circle shape at first but in the end its indeed circle shape :). You never know who is the one laughing at the end of the road :)

btw, I think I know who that person is

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No one have prediction for the new chapter?

About time for Seju's father to pass away, dont you think?would be weird till the end, he's still alive

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yoonie0104

Thanks a lot, you really lifted my spirit up.

and in fact, they are two persons, one of them I knew for sure, the other one I'm skeptical about.. knowing them just helps me to not invest much on answering their comments, that's all I really hold no grudge, just disappointment if that makes sense.

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yoonie0104

Thanks a lot, you really lifted my spirit up.

and in fact, they are two persons, one of them I knew for sure, the other one I'm skeptical about.. knowing them just helps me to not invest much on answering their comments, that's all I really hold no grudge, just disappointment if that makes sense.

It makes sense :). You eagerly wanted to talk about the story but it ended up being call delusional. I understand :), dont worry.

Well, I dont like being call delusional so I dont say anyone delusional no matter how different our opinions would be, It's just a story, its for fun :))). that's why when I read that part of the comment, how I wish I could make SuminxSeju endgame, just to throw it to their face :)))).
But well, I dont care, so should you, Nora :), just say what you want in here :))))
its just a thought when I read the thread today but well, I dont care to confirm, just talk freely, dont think much

No one have prediction for the new chapter?

About time for Seju's father to pass away, dont you think?would be weird till the end, he's still alive

I don't think he will die by the time this story end

What you all talk about? Lmao... I smell drama.

, I dont like being call delusional so I dont say anyone delusional no matter how different our opinions would be, It's just a story, its for fun :)

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Well, I believe "any" words is created for a reason..

And for me it's okay to call people who is actually closed minded as close minded..., delusional as delusional.... simple as that.

What I Like about wdtfs...

The females isn't a. Stick figure... with boobs and booty
Korean standard is too slim, if you met idols/actors/actresses in person (not from screen), both girls and guys are very slim, yet look fit... but natural curvey body is rare... even tiffany who sometimes looks Chubby, is very slim and small in person.

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LurKings

Nora No need to hold back. I'm interested in the other detailed examples that you found where the author was setting up the story for future chapters.

so you are ready huh, let's begin with one of longest posts ever made on Yuri XD.

-> The way I wrote this is to follow a chronological order as much as possible.. I suggest you open two taps, one to see the main chapter and the other to check the later used point in the other chapters
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• first thing first, in ch32, Seju makes coffee for Sumin and Sumin asks her not to add suger because Seju likes it this way -> Sumin didn't drink bitter coffee till Seju taught her how to enjoy it, in ch1 you seee Sumin asking for a 7 shots Americano with no syrup (sugar) romantic huh

• ch3, Sumin ordered Seju not use her perfume ever again (btw, using the other's perfume symbolises that they are a match, or belong to each other) however, Seju payback was a gift she gave Sumin in ch9 that Sumin liked but also Seju picked it because she liked it XD.. (hurting Sumin's pride hehehe.. telling her: we are indeed compatible)

• ch5, Sungji gave Sumin a cravat , and that cravat appeard later in ch65 and ch75.

• ch8, "open Sesame" and ch78. (Seju used it hinting that Sumin was in fact nerves)

• this point is rather risky, but I will mention it anyways, notice in ch10-
  11, the open doors of Seju's house, Seju's notion that she wasn't interested in men and the bartender offered her a drink she didn't ask for (the cocktail on the house) and then go to ch53, Seju's driver does'nt drive her home.. but she takes a taxi (why?) .. also imagine Sungji if she was a man in the same situation that Seju was weak to even protest.. I personally connect those two situations and I believe that Seju didn't lie in ch27.. I know I sound like a stan now.. but whatever

• ch12, and as I mentioned, you know from Sungji's question that Sumin has an extra room.. later ch77, the room is actually being used in a different context.

• ch13, notice the chair Sungji sat on next to Sumin's bed, that chair alone gave Seju an idea that nothing happened between Sumin and Sungji but she was indeed there, she later at night smirks at Sumin's comment about her finger: "I keep thinking about it" she knew right then what was going on. (of course + the confirmation from Sungji who answered a question without being asked hehehe)

• ch14, you knew that Sumin comes back to Seju always after a break up.. even before she got the tattoo, later this information gets confirmed in ch27, ch 45 ,ch50 and ch62.

• in a matter of fact, the Manhwa showed us 19 girls of Sumin's ex. (we can count them together if you would like XD)

• ch15, hints two things, that Nammi and Sumin did had sex together before "they call it workout" and Nammi's type is Seju.. tall with big breasts and Nammi is in fact interested in Seju, this was confirmed later in the second arc. it is also hinted that Nammi likes Sungji from her reaction towards her in ch16 = Nammi's reaction towards Seju in ch47 (this of course justifies Nammi's eagerness to sleep with Seju)
  and I know for sure that Nammi is really really interested in Sungji, I don't know tho how this will play out
  (notice that she always offeres her number on Sungji, and ditched Sumin to comfort Sungji instead in ch57, and went all the way to Choi Geon (that she doesn't even like) to get Sungji's number (and not from Sumin directly), also she hinted again her availability by mentioning that her dating life wasn't going well.. also notice that she went to Sungji with longer hair and a flirty look.

• ch17, you know that Sumin cares about the 100th days of dating anniversary, this is again happened in ch52, so you know that Sumin indeed cares about couples culture in S.K.. and ch52 is in fact their 100th days of dating anniversary ( now you know they dated a bit over 3 months before Sumin cheated and you know that they dated a week before Sumin's birthday -July 12th- so currently they are around October or November --> why does that matter?

(the author said they met during a party for children who come from similar background & later said they will tell this couple's -first falling in love- story.)
so I had a theory, that Sumin and Seju met during Seju's birthday party ,in 2nd of November

I have a heartache tho from mentioning this one, I thought ch79 will be about Seju's birthday.. sigh

• ch19, Seju remembers that Sumin promised her to be her family, later in ch54, Sumin tells Seju: "the chairman will be relieved to have you by his side"
  Seju responded: he will be, right? because I'm also his family
  (and look at Sumin's face)
  ...

• ch19 also, Nammi was able to notice that Sungji was in fact a virgin, Sumin only noticed that in ch22.

• ch21, Seju got a car (it's actually Sumin's birthday present, she knows that Sumin wants a car usually in her birthday .. we know that from ch24 as Sungji asks her what she usually like as a present)

• ch27 last scene, brought up again waaay later in ch55 (pitying one another is weird between Seju and Sungji.. you find the "pity" thing in those chapters and again in ch79)

• ch28, first panel (you see Sumin having Sex with Ms. Choi at the coffee room in the office) again look at the last panel, someone snaps a picture of Sumin and Sungji in the office, later ch34 (at the party, you see that Glasses- ssi almost outed the couple, she claimed to have a proof, look at her hand.. she held a camera).. now, try connecting those two situations in ch28 with the redhead and in ch34 (there is a high possibility that it wasn't Seju who ratted them out, but maybe someone in the office or call it gossip, reached the fiancé (this point is again risky.. but hey, Seju never cared about whatever Nammi thinks of her, let alone justifying anything to her)

• ch35, was actually the first time Sungji tried to call Sumin "BABE", look at Sumin's reaction, then later we had the official translation translating "Jagi" into "babe" ch80 (no wonder Sumin was surprised hehehe)

• ch35, last panel, Saehyun arrival day is 8th of October, look at the last panel, he actually arrived in ch44.. so now you know from there that they are actually in October. (remember why dates matter ?)

• ch38, the doctor is in fact Nammi's father, it is not clear how long he has been treating Sumin or whether he knows about the Tattoo (which implies that Nammi does.. I thought she didn't know, but lately I think she does know about the bartender thing and the tattoo given their conversation at the hotel in ch47, but in any case, Nammi doesn't know that much about Seju or the Baeks )

• ch44 you know that the father made a plan so he could be able to meet Chahee "Seju's mom" after death, but only in ch 58 we know what that plan was, btw.. Sumin never rejected it.. later in ch62 (Sumin almost talks about that to Seju .. but held back as she noticed that Seju didn't know.. but still Sumin didn't reject the Father's plan)

• ch45, I thought I would mention this one again, I successfully proved earlier that the house was indeed Seju's and Sumin went to Seju's house.. it wasn't Seju who was waiting magically. (just look at page 301 of this thread, you might find it interesting)

• ch51, please pay attention to Sumin's thought bubbles, also remember her conversation. (this one does tell a lot)

• ch55, shows an insecure Seju which is consistent with ch72 and even ch11 (she expected Sumin to leave her) -> Seju, although loved Sumin a lot and Sumin loved her with all her heart up to the moment they broke up, never felt secured.. her biggest mistake was in fact: NOT trusting Sumin's love for her, which then led to the bartender incident in the first place.

That's why, during the last 10 years, she never knew for sure that Sumin still loved her and was scared of even telling Sumin that as you could see in ch62 bed talk.. no matter how perceptive she was, she is insecure.
..

• ch64, and in previous chapters (ch24) + 72 + ch77, Sungji mentions her attraction in a way or another to Sumin's looks, even ch73 triggered Sumin to ask Sungji to (cum without looking at her face), ch72 (original translation of Sumin talk: "you're doing that again, are you going out with my face?"

• ch69: Sumin said "I love you" to Sungji 5 times,
  Sungji said "I feel strange .. or I am strange" 4 times ( and 0 "I love you")
  however, Sungji only said it in ch81 and ch38.

• ch75, Sumin lied to Sungji and called Seju behind her back. in ch77, she lied again about being with Seju in the same space "check the last condition she gave Seju".
  ...............................

(that was a marathon, hehehhe, I hope you enjoyed it tho.. the things I saw hinting that Sumin and Seju may end up together and Sungji would walk away are another matter.. but I'm already drained now) hehehe
Sumin's tattoo by the way is interesting.. if you were curious.

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DAMN .. I looked at the thread. and it looks like a thesis. hehehe
this story is long and worth of a novel.. good thing they made it visual so I could see all the perversion I needed XDD

and yoonie0104, me cutting down doesn't seem so realistic by now, huh ? XD
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Disclaimer: in any case, I will only comment here (and maybe on FB iff Arriane Alter started a discussion), so the other thread could feel free, I won't be (and not interested in ) coming after anyone in there.

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Disclaimer: in any case, I will only comment here (and maybe on FB iff Arriane Alter started a discussion)

Not Foxylady? What a quick change of heart. :'D

Disclaimer: in any case, I will only comment here (and maybe on FB iff Arriane Alter started a discussion)

Not Foxylady? What a quick change of heart. :'D

she doesn't start a discussion, she just comments on Arriane Alter very briefly.

BTW, I forgot to tell you guys, ch55 unofficial translation missed a whole panel that exists in the original one, in that panel, Seju's hand was in Sumin's pants ehm ehm.. so it is not almost cheating (if there exist an almost cheating concept).. AND Sungji saw it XD
http://i.imgur.com/csbr0Cy.png

Es0teric

I like the fact that Team Gaji have pretty much said that the story will be different depending on whom you empathize with, our discussions on here pretty much show that.

I agree with them totally. However, I've noticed a general beahviour:
- if a person believes in (Sungji*Sumin), they tend to view Sumin as a clueless as possible and just a mere toy that falls under Seju's mastermind manupulation
They would even go far to:
1- underestimate her cheating on Sungji (that even Sungji finds it a big deal) and at the same time,
2- overestimate Sumin's effort to get Sungji's forgivness (again, even Sungji saw as too little)

This goes on with every mistake that Sumin does.
On the other hand, Seju should own her mistakes and also every wrong thing happened to Sumin.
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If you are (Sumin* Seju) supporter,
You would follow this pattern:
1- overanalysing 2- justifying Seju's actions (too much at times)
3- question Sungji's motives a lot.. and even go far to add complexity in her actions that may not have a proof or find her boring.
-> but here you usually see Sumin as a mature person who also should own her shit and get it together!
---> the previous point could lead to somewhat "hatered towards Sumin" in severe cases like myself heheheh
I want to slap her, honestly for the sake of both ships
.......
But what's sad really about both cases is that the reader may fail to enjoy or read the story the way it is actually told.. by that I mean, both extreemers may overlook clues and nice gusters that the other side would show.
An example of that, if a person is extreme teampink they may miss the beautiful and emotional moment that Sumin told Sungji that she loves her on ch69 as she holds her forehead and kisses her, and Sungji teares.

If you are extreme teamblond, you may miss the beauty of Seju's gusters and not feel the strong emotions in ch54, ch74 and ch 62.. you may also overlook how Seju always hugs Sumin's head towards her and she likes to lick her face or shoulder.
Too much beauty to miss if you are in an extreme spot really
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I do it sometimes, but hey! I own my shit XDDD

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Nora86

I'm with you on the whole cheating thing. Just kissing someone without your partners consent is cheating, no such thing as almost cheating. Unless you are being raped of course, which is not the case here. (That did get me reading some articles on manipulation rape, which were.. let's say some interesting theories)

I guess forgiveness of cheating though can depend on the situation and how far it went but for me the intent is still there so i wouldn't forgive. But I'm not Sungji.

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If you are extreme teamblond, you may miss the beauty of Seju's gusters and not feel the strong emotions in ch54, ch74 and ch 62.. you may also overlook how Seju always hugs Sumin's head towards her and she likes to lick her face or shoulder.
Too much beauty to miss if you are in an extreme spot really
........

Did I totally miss the fact that Seju likes to lick Sumin's shoulders and face? When did that happen? Was I too busy staring else where?

LurKings
I'm glad you found it interesting.

Did I totally miss the fact that Seju likes to lick Sumin's shoulders and face? When did that happen? Was I too busy staring else where?

she does it frequently, in ch10 (face), ch14 (shoulder), ch21 (face), ch55(face), ch74 (shoulder)

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about Sumin's tattoo, I repost this again:
It worth mentioning that the tattoo is a Kerria (japanica) flower, that represents unforgettable love ( amongst other meanings)
And goes way back in Japenese poetery about two women in love.
http://www.lizadalby.com/LD/TofM_Kerria_R.html

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about Sumin's tattoo, I repost this again:
It worth mentioning that the tattoo is a Kerria (japanica) flower, that represents unforgettable love ( amongst other meanings)
And goes way back in Japenese poetery about two women in love.
http://www.lizadalby.com/LD/TofM_Kerria_R.html

"The yamabuki is not so celebrated as any of these, but connotes freshness and innocence"

I'm curious where you got unforgettable love from?

Which Japanese poem are you talking about as this article mentions 3 Japanese books, The Tale of Genji, Man'yôshû, Murasaki' Collected Poems and one book written by the author of this site, The Tale of Murasaki.

"The yamabuki is not so celebrated as any of these, but connotes freshness and innocence"
I'm curious where you got unforgettable love from?

in page 251, you can find the discussion we had about the Tale of Genji
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it's up to interpretation tho, I just lean to the one mentioned in this poetry work specially that it's related to love between two women. ( I read deeply in those two women relationship, the way they met and what they meant to each other.. but that's me being romantic again hehehe)

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"The yamabuki is not so celebrated as any of these, but connotes freshness and innocence"
I'm curious where you got unforgettable love from?

in page 251, you can find the discussion we had about the Tale of Genji
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it's up to interpretation tho, I just lean to the one mentioned in this poetry work specially that it's related to love between two women. ( I read deeply in the relationship also between those two ladies)

Yeah I have a completely different interpretation.

Which two ladies?

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please read through the article

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please read through the article

I did and that is where my problem is. I feel like we've read two completely different articles.

Probably doesn't matter though.

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I did and that is where my problem is. I feel like we've read two completely different articles.

Probably doesn't matter though.

it's always up to interpretation, in fact this one has many many meanings related to prosperity and even the winter season. :)

I did and that is where my problem is. I feel like we've read two completely different articles.

Probably doesn't matter though.

it's always up to interpretation, in fact this one has many many meanings related to prosperity and even the winter season. :)

Everything is open to interpretation, even the comments we aim at each other ; )