Thank yoonie for confirming the word "chahee".

I always thought the fans who translated wdtfs were someone who really invested in the manhwa, so a mistake like forgetting that "chahee" was a name was so unlikely. I was wrong then.

I thought Seju said she would even date a high school girl, so I thought Sumin couldn't tell if Seju wanted more than being a bedmate with her or not. Now that I know that in fact Sumin dated a high school girl,.. what a gross old perverted woman!. =.=

^ You'd hate Beloved then. Also way to make me feel old ; P

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^ You'd hate Beloved then.

If it is about an old pervert dating a high schooler, then yes.

Also way to make me feel old ; P

Sorry. xD

^ You'd hate Beloved then.

If it is about an old pervert dating a high schooler, then yes.

It's a beautiful chinese manhwa art wise. The subject matter just involves a 34 year old woman accidentally sleeping with a 16 year old girl and their relationship afterwards.

If there is a solid reason to justify the woman's actions, then no; I may like the story.

I feel sorry for Seju though. I feel like I've taken her wrongly from the beginning till the end. I've always thought she was so casual towards her relationship with Sumin, judging by her words from early chaps. I thought it was her fault. I guess I'm wrong.

There is no clear indication showing that she was actually there for sex with Sumin, that she just wanted sex with Sumin.

And this translation makes me feel like she was there, accepting all the sex was because that the only way she can be with Sumin. She kept up with the sex with Sumin to be able to stay with her. And now she got discarded cruelly after that person has found her new love of her life.

Okay, it's really really hard not to dislike or defend Sumin at this point.

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I thought Seju said she would even date a high school girl, so I thought Sumin couldn't tell if Seju wanted more than being a bedmate with her or not. Now that I know that in fact Sumin dated a high school girl,.. what a gross old perverted woman!. =.=

Feel like Sumin needs a therapist more than Seju =)))))))))))))).

^ I honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Personally to me there are a few unknowns about the situation. We don't technically know what age Sumin was, all we know is she was aged between 24 and 34. We don't know the girls age, she could have been 18/19 as far as we know. Also hooked up doesn't necessarily mean to have sex, it could just mean to make out with; nor does it mean they dated.

Not trying to influence how you see the situation, we all have different morals and what not.

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^ I honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Personally to me there are a few unknowns about the situation. We don't technically know what age Sumin was, all we know is she was aged between 24 and 34. We don't know the girls age, she could have been 18/19 as far as we know. Also hooked up doesn't necessarily mean to have sex, it could just mean to make out with; nor does it mean they dated.

Not trying to influence how you see the situation, we all have different morals and what not.

No, its not about age, its about dating and having sex constantly with everyone regardless of age. And honestly with Seju's tone, it seems Sumin dated this girl recently, at her older age, not her younger self.

There is people who married with 20 years age difference. But honestly, they dated or married, all have valid reasons to do that.

Sumin just got on those things for the fun of it and sex, even that person's barely at her legal age (in Korea, 20 is their legal age, to drink, go to bar, to have sex....). So to get on with a high school kid in Sumin's case? With a mindset of for fun and sex? Sorry I dont think that's called normal. That's called sick.

I dont oppose dating with big age gap, just so you know.

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^ I honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Personally to me there are a few unknowns about the situation. We don't technically know what age Sumin was, all we know is she was aged between 24 and 34. We don't know the girls age, she could have been 18/19 as far as we know. Also hooked up doesn't necessarily mean to have sex, it could just mean to make out with; nor does it mean they dated.

Not trying to influence how you see the situation, we all have different morals and what not.

No, its not about age, its about dating and having sex constantly with everyone regardless of age. And honestly with Seju's tone, it seems Sumin dated this girl recently, at her older age, not her younger self.

There is people who married with 20 years age difference. But honestly, they dated or married, all have valid reasons to do that.

Sumin just got on those things for the fun of it and sex, even that person's barely at her legal age (in Korea, 20 is their legal age, to drink, go to bar, to have sex....). So to get on with a high school kid in Sumin's case? With a mindset of for fun and sex? Sorry I dont think that's called normal. That's called sick.

I dont oppose dating with big age gap, just so you know.

Nothing wrong with sleeping around with people for the fun of it and sex. Not something I'd do myself but I also can't see what is wrong with it.

Also nothing in Seju's tone says to me that they hooked up recently. The actual statement about hooking up with a high schooler comes after Sumin mentions that Sungi is too young.

You might want to check that age of consent thing, this thread has a bit of a discussion about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/3915ag/age_of_consent_in_south_korea_question/
13 as an age of consent to me is a bit too young though.

As long as things are actually consensual and people are above the age of consent I don't judge. They're not things i'd do myself though.

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Nothing wrong with sleeping around with people for the fun of it and sex. Not something I'd do myself but I also can't see what is wrong with it.

You might want to check that age of consent thing, this thread has a bit of a discussion about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/3915ag/age_of_consent_in_south_korea_question/

As long as things are actually consensual and people are above the age of consent I don't judge. They're not things i'd do myself though. Though 13 as an age of consent to me is a bit too young.

20 is Korean legal age, when they can vote, get drunk,.... As for sex before it, I dont know, maybe sex is allowed earlier. But well, have sex with a kid doesn't feel wrong to you then I honestly think we're not on the same page about society in general, not just any kind of culture.

Constantly and don't care about partner's age? without feeling you're a phedophile? But in this case, it's constantly that and that's just sex and you think its normal? #________#. Even making sex joke with a high school kid also makes me shudder let alone do anything else. It feels like I commit a crime.

I wont judge if they have valid reasons to do it, not when they do it for fun. Fun about this should be between adults or at least legal age, not with a high school kid.

I don't think I'm wrong when I said Sumin needs a therapist more than Seju

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Nothing wrong with sleeping around with people for the fun of it and sex. Not something I'd do myself but I also can't see what is wrong with it.

You might want to check that age of consent thing, this thread has a bit of a discussion about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/3915ag/age_of_consent_in_south_korea_question/

As long as things are actually consensual and people are above the age of consent I don't judge. They're not things i'd do myself though. Though 13 as an age of consent to me is a bit too young.

20 is Korean legal age, when they can vote, get drunk,.... As for sex before it, I dont know, maybe sex is allowed earlier. But well, have sex with a kid doesn't feel wrong to you then I honestly think we're not on the same page about society in general, not just any kind of culture.

Constantly and don't care about partner's age? without feeling you're a phedophile? But in this case, it's constantly that and that's just sex and you think its normal? #________#. Even making sex joke with a high school kid also makes me shudder let alone do anything else. It feels like I commit a crime.

I don't think I'm wrong when I said Sumin needs a therapist more than Seju

19 is the drinking age from what I read. Also fake ID's seem to be an issue in South Korea so she could easily have hooked up at a lesbian bar, we don't know.

Unless I know the full situation I don't judge. If a mature minded person 16 and up (Not all 16 years old may be mature minded) chooses to have sex with someone let's say 10 years older I don't have an issue, as long as it is consensual and not an abuse of power.

Define legal age. There isn't just one legal age, there are multiple depending on what the activity is.

As I said 13 is way to young. 16 is a bit hmm i'm not sure but it depends on the people and 18 is fine.

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19 is the drinking age from what I read. Also fake ID's seem to be an issue in South Korea so she could easily have hooked up at a lesbian bar, we don't know.

Unless I know the full situation I don't judge. If a mature minded person above 16 (Not all 16 years old may be mature minded) chooses to have sex with someone let's say 10 years older I don't have an issue, as long as it is consensual and not an abuse of power.

Define legal age.

One, she knows that girl is a high shool kid. She even told Seju about that.
Two, I also said I wont judge if they have valid reasons, right? I only said in Sumin's case, I don't approve and think it's sick, with Sumin's mind, Sumin's history, Sumin's tendency,.....I said that all of them above thinking in Sumin's case. Other cases, I dont know, I don't care and I dont judge.

I dont want to argue over if its ok to have sex at such a young age. Your body, your life. But in general, have sex with a kid shouldn't be called normal, honestly. Even you said so yourself, you dont do it to yourself. I don't want to argue over special cases with mature young kids, even though, I would never let my children to do that no matter how mature they could be at 18, let alone 16.

Let's just end this. We wont get to agreement in this and it's not sth really important to the story at this point.

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One, she knows that girl is a high shool kid. She even told Seju about that.

That wasn't what I was getting at. I was just explaining that it was possible that they could have met at a lesbian bar even if the girl was under the legal drinking age.

Two, I also said I wont judge if they have valid reasons, right? I only said in Sumin's case, I don't approve and think it's sick, with Sumin's mind, Sumin's history, Sumin's tendency,.....I said that all of them above thinking in Sumin's case. Other cases, I dont know, I don't care and I dont judge.

My original point was that without all the facts I can't completely judge the situation, that was all. If you want to judge that's up to you.

I dont want to argue over if its ok to have sex at such a young age. Your body, your life. But in general, have sex with a kid shouldn't be called normal, honestly. Even you said so yourself, you dont do it to yourself. I don't want to argue over special cases with mature young kids, even though, I would never let my children to do that no matter how mature they could be at 18, let alone 16.

That's fair enough, it's up to you as a parent. If my fictional 16+ daughter/son wanted to have consensual sex with someone of their choosing the only thing i'd make sure is that they use protection. Well, if it was with someone over 30 then I would probably not be happy.

Let's just end this. We wont get to agreement at this page and it's not sth really important to the story at this point.

But yeah let's end it. It's not going to get anywhere, plus we may be slightly misreading each others comments.

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One more fact reveals that Sumin also dated a 60 years old lady and I totally give up on her. xD

There really is nothing wrong with a person sleeping with anyone from any age group for fun. I personally just don't like involving with such a person, let alone wanting to empathize with them or justify their actions since the word "for fun" alone is enough to make me no longer want to bother finding out whether this person has gotten their partner's consent or not. I wouldn't judge this person to be wrong, I would just secretly put them in my book, and use them well as a good example of "a gross pervert". lol

sia ue

I thought Seju said she would even date a high school girl, so I thought Sumin couldn't tell if Seju wanted more than being a bedmate with her or not.Now that I know that in fact Sumin dated a high school girl,.. what a gross old perverted woman!. =.=

Hehehehe I remember this discussion about whether Sumin could sense that Seju wanted more than sex.. but later when I mentioned that Sumin dated a high schooler you did not protest..
I feel flattered that you trusted me in attaking your favourite XD

One more fact reveals that Sumin also dated a 60 years old lady and I totally give up on her. xD

Seniors need sex too ; )

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What matters now about Sumin dating a high schooler when she was much older than her (+24) is that Sumin does in indulge a lot in meaningless sex..lots of one night stands (that also Seju commented on in ch4) she admits being a a nympho herself.
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About morals and consent and the likes,
Remember that Sumin herself delyed having their first sex with Seju till much later because Sumin didn't want to have any uncertainties. (Rmemeber ! They were at the same age and consentent) but it didn't matter much with the High school girl and whether it was WRONG.

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What matters now about Sumin dating a high schooler when she was much older than her (+24) is that Sumin does in indulge a lot in meaningless sex..lots of one night stands (that also Seju commented on in ch4) she admits being a a nympho herself.

Won't disagree there but also see nothing wrong with that.

Seju brings up the high schooler to dismiss Sumins claims that Sungji is too young. Sumin can't pull the wool over Sejus eyes ; )

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About morals and consent and the likes,
Remember that Sumin herself delyed having their first sex with Seju till much later because Sumin didn't want to have any uncertainties. (Rmemeber ! They were at the same age and consentent) but it didn't matter much with the High school girl and whether it was WRONG.

I'm not quite following you.

It is only wrong when Seju does it XD
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I meant Sumin and Seju when they were Highschoolers in love, Sumin delyed the Sex untill she has no uncertainties.
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Sumin older than 24, with a much yonger female, barely an adult.. Sumin has no uncertainties, didn't care .. and got it on!

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off topic! but how come sumin and sungji never talk about themselves to each other?? i noticed that sumin never really mentions significant moments of her life to sungji- like does sungji even know about her tattoo, her relationship with seju, sumin's likes and dislikes and etc etc.?

people have told me that what sungji and sumin has is healthy and what seju and sumin have is toxic - but isn't communicating with your significant other important for you to have a healthy relationship?
imo, sungji and sumin kinda lack communication as well as trust. i noticed that sumin in ch 77, kind of lied to sungji so that seju could move in with her. also, doesn't sumin love sungji? and wasn't she super eager to have sex with her after a week of not having sex with her? then why did she prioritize the phone call rather than sungji when they were having sex, what is sumin doing? xD

everyone says that they will be the end-game couple, but i feel like there is still so many things left unsolved between them. and imo, i feel like they're still hiding stuff with one another. i really want them to talk soon! but i kind of doubt that everything will be solved in just 4 chapters.

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cm
wow, wow .. you have the 1 million dollar question !

hint:
- do you know that Sungji and Sumin dated only for 4 months XD
in this very healthy relationship, the cheating happened in the end of their 3rd month, right after "Sungji and Sumin" 100 days dating anniversary
- ch69 as Sumin rubs Sungji's tummy she goes: I wonder if there's any thing that I know about you.
- ch51, we know that Sumin already said "I love you" to Sungji in ch 43, but then she questions that in a thought bubble ch51.
.....
I'm on the same board with all the points that you questioned.
personally, I said before that Sungji and Sumin being the so called "endgame" will shock me and lead me to lose my bet with yoonie XD

yoonie0104

As far as I know, nope, they're not accepted in Korea but in wdtfs's world, I believe they've loosen a lot about this matter, just look at how Sungji bought Sumin a tie or there is gossip about SejuxSumin among employees, or entertainment news about lesbians xD. in real life in korea, even news about gay celebs is not gonna be published, cause it would cause a big chaos, they will do anything to bury it, use money or power, either way to shut those reporters up. cause they dont want troubles xD

I don't know, I was checking some K-pop female groups, my GOD !! I thought Mel-C was too gay till I stumbled to K-pop.. there is one in particular called Moonsun eating another girl member with her eyes and her gay touches all over XDDD

yoonie0104

As far as I know, nope, they're not accepted in Korea but in wdtfs's world, I believe they've loosen a lot about this matter, just look at how Sungji bought Sumin a tie or there is gossip about SejuxSumin among employees, or entertainment news about lesbians xD. in real life in korea, even news about gay celebs is not gonna be published, cause it would cause a big chaos, they will do anything to bury it, use money or power, either way to shut those reporters up. cause they dont want troubles xD

I don't know, I was checking some K-pop female groups, my GOD !! I thought Mel-C was too gay till I stumbled to K-pop.. there is one in particular called Moonsun eating another girl member with her eyes and her gay touches all over XDDD

Oh, K-pop is the world where shipping group members is one of the tools to give fan-service. I wont be surprised if you found more fun stuff for you xD. Believe me, western groups have nothing compare to kpop groups about this xD. Group members also give this kind of actions in front of fans for fan-service :). This is one of their fandom culture, shipping thing :!

About Moonsun, yeah, this couple is mentioned alot lately, they're very touchy feely :). I dont follow them but their shippers are quite crazy about them since they are very expressive about skin ship or physical contacts :))). That's much I know of

The most famous female ship in kpop world is not moonsun though, it's taeny as in taeyeon and tiffany :). Every kpop girlgroup stans know them. Their ship is very famous. Go search them, but I doubt you would find them interesting :), since they're not like this moonsun, everything about them is more subtle and well...awkwards but they're bestfriends :))), but well, they're very famous and I tell you this, in that group's fandom, taeyeon is sumin and tiffany is seju :), they grew up together, friends for 14 years and all that jazz, just like teampink and the famous rumour about Taeyeon as sumin's muse and tiffany like pink, literally crazy about pink, aka seju's famous pink hair

However, this is sth only appearing in fandom, Nora. To go on news or actually go lesbian is another thing. It would kill their career, literally. So no, there is no way lesbian news about celebs could be published.

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