Besides, if you're drunk and sleep with someone, it's still cheating. Unless you were raped, which is not the case here.

When did I ever say it's not a cheating, why are we here again? You're talking about judging, not about cheating or not.
It's clearly a cheating, it's clearly Seju's fault but I wont judge her. That's it.

In your life, you did a lot of terrible things but it doesnt make you bad person. I wont judge unless you dont fix it, and I personally think Seju did fix it

I don't think she fixed it since she at least once made Sumin's relationship go to hell, with Sumin ending up beaten. She also tried to break her relationship with Sungji. She's still trying to do it. Just because she's waiting doesn't mean she's fixing anything. Loyalty is one thing. Wanting a person you love most to be happy is another. And she wanted her to be broken, not happy.

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I don't think she fixed it since she at least once made Sumin's relationship go to hell, with Sumin ending up beaten.

i wonder if you would have been a Seju lover had redhead's fiance dumped redhead which leaded to Sumin being able move on with redhead.

I'd like to say that I enjoy reading all the POVs and theories. I'm not much of a talker but I enjoy reading the analysis of many of you.

I'm more concerned about no manhwa or manga forums being this active.

TheLurkerAgain

Sigh.. I thought we look like a bunch of otakus
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I wonder what opining scene will Gaji throw this Monday !

I don't think she fixed it since she at least once made Sumin's relationship go to hell, with Sumin ending up beaten.

i wonder if you would have been a Seju lover had redhead's fiance dumped redhead which leaded to Sumin being able move on with redhead.

The thing is, she could've done it differently, but she chose the most cruel way. You can fight for your love without hurting this love. She didn't.
And don't think I protecting Sumin and making Seju all evil because Sumin tormented her too.

Also, if I loved someone and this someone wanted to move on, I'd let go, but I'd tell this person about the other one being in a relationship.

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Does not look like a bunch of otakus in TheLurkerAgain's opinion, but might look like that in other people's opinions. :D

Again, this "most cruel way" thingy. Your proving that "it's the most cruel way because Nami said it's the most cruel way" is not convincing at all imo. Who the hell is Nami? God? Like I said, it depended on redhead's fiance too. If he were a little nicer, he wouldn't have beaten a woman, he would just have broken up with redhead instead. It depended on redhead too, if she, in the end, chose Sumin over her fiance, then it would be a happy ending for Sumin too. Seju couldn't know how worse her decision would be when she made it.

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Does not look like a bunch of otakus in TheLurkerAgain's opinion, but might look like that in other people's opinions. :D

Again, this "most cruel way" thingy. Your proving that "it's the most cruel way because Nami said it's the most cruel way" is not convincing at all imo.

She end up beaten...

Who the hell is Nami? God? Like I said, it depended on redhead's fiance too. If he were a little nicer, he wouldn't have beaten a woman, he would just have broken up with redhead instead.

I'm not saying he's not guilty.

It depended on redhead too, if she, in the end, chose Sumin over her fiance, then it would be a happy ending for Sumin too. Seju couldn't know how worse her decision would be when she made it.

Yeah, redhead was a b... But Seju should've told about it Sumin, not the guy.
You're forgetting about the fact that Seju said she wants Sumin to hate her, she wanted her broken. More and more. The worse decision she made, the more Sumin suffered.

Did Seju really rat the Redhead and Sumin ? mmhm let's see
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Sumin used to have office sex with the redhead.. coffee room in ch28
mmhm and again with Sungji and in ch34 (the Glasses- ssi) almost outed them (btw she holds a recorder or something in ch 28)
Nammi speculated but then, compare the context in ch28 and the picture thing in here:
<- ch 28
<- ch 34

You're forgetting about the fact that Seju said she wants Sumin to hate her, she wanted her broken. More and more. The worse decision she made, the more Sumin suffered.

I don't remember this. Ony thing I remember was Seju wanting Sumin's relationships to fail, so Sumin would go back to her. But besides that, yeah Seju is certainly no angel. She has done her share of bad deeds too regarding Sumin.

As for the ending,I always felt like this story was focusing too much on Seju for Sumin x Sungji shake. If there is a weird twist and Sumin actually ends up with Seju in the end, like people have said here before, it will certainly make a very big impact. But it is also quite a big of a risk.

Some people believe this is a toxic relationship that can't be fixed, but if they ended up together and managed to make it work, then it would be quite a big of a deal. It would be that they are soulmates and love can even beat all of this.

As for Sungji being bi, I'm quite sure Sumin was the person she's had sex with lol. I hope her role in the last chapters becomes more active and brings something to the plot that is going on as well. So far with Seju moving on in Sumin's house, she was only cuddly and a bit of worried.

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^We don't know how many years ago it happened, but judging from Sumin's reaction, it wasn't too long after she parted her ways with Seju.
We don't know if glasses already worked in this company.
Also, ths way Seju responded to Nami hinted it was, in fact, her who sold it to the fiance. She was the one who saw red with her fiance together.

You're forgetting about the fact that Seju said she wants Sumin to hate her, she wanted her broken. More and more. The worse decision she made, the more Sumin suffered.

I don't remember this. Ony thing I remember was Seju wanting Sumin's relationships to fail, so Sumin would go back to her. But besides that, yeah Seju is certainly no angel. She has done her share of bad deeds too regarding Sumin.

She did. I think it was after Sumin fell asleep on her shoulder after redhead incident, but can't remember exactly and can't check (I'm mobile).

As for the ending,I always felt like this story was focusing too much on Seju for Sumin x Sungji shake. If there is a weird twist and Sumin actually ends up with Seju in the end, like people have said here before, it will certainly make a very big impact. But it is also quite a big of a risk.

Seju is an important part of Sumin's past and how she end up being the person Sungji met. That's how I took it. Agree about them ending together being a risk.

Some people believe this is a toxic relationship that can't be fixed, but if they ended up together and managed to make it work, then it would be quite a big of a deal. It would be that they are soulmates and love can even beat all of this.

I see their relationship as toxic and i can't see them fixing it in just 6 chapters. We're talking about 10 years of hurting each other.

I'm almost sure Sungji will move in with Sumin.

^ what chapter was that scene with the red head in again? I recall seeing something in it that i want to bring up but i'd rather get my facts straight first.

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We don't know if glasses already worked in this company.

the Glasses-ssi is a real manhwa example of an alternative explanation to what Nammi thinks.
in a sense, that there might be someone in the office who ratted them out, and not Seju herself.

I know what you mean and i get it, but the story shows Seju was the only one who knew about the fiance.

Also, ths way Seju responded to Nami hinted it was, in fact, her who sold it to the fiance. She was the one who saw red with her fiance together.

Seju did not admit it! instead, she focused on knowing what is it for Nammi to interfere anyways! in the end Nammi is not entitled for any explanation

Nami isn't stupid tho. And Seju loves to play. Why would she openly admit such thing to someone she doesn't like and who's Sumin's friend? ;)

ch45:

Seju: I love you, I love you, the distance where I can feel this emotion.. I wish you can suffer even more, so that you come looking for me, and hate me as much as you want.
(Seju thinks that she can't feel this emotion- love- and see Sumin unless Sumin is hating her or suffering )

Well... Sumin was most responsive when any other relationship of hers went to hell and she end up in pain. The best example to it was when she got beaten up and went to Seju for some kind of comfort. Seju couldn't reach her before, Sumin went to her by herself in great pain - emotional more than physical.

I know what you mean and i get it, but the story shows Seju was the only one who knew about the fiance.

how can you be so sure when they had sex in the office.

Fiance never came to the office?

Nami isn't stupid tho. And Seju loves to play. Why would she openly admit such thing to someone she doesn't like and who's Sumin's friend? ;)

I repeat Seju's question, what does Nammi know!
why would she explain anything to Nammi in the first place.. she did not even bother explaining the blind dates thing to her and just let Nammi say whatever hurtful thing she said in ch31 ! do you really think Seju cares what Name thinks of her

Its not about thinking of her. She could've and most likely would've told Sumin about it.

ch45:

Seju: I love you, I love you, the distance where I can feel this emotion.. I wish you can suffer even more, so that you come looking for me, and hate me as much as you want.
(Seju thinks that she can't feel this emotion- love- and see Sumin unless Sumin is hating her or suffering )

Well... Sumin was most responsive when any other relationship of hers went to hell and she end up in pain. The best example to it was when she got beaten up and went to Seju for some kind of comfort. Seju couldn't reach her before, Sumin went to her by herself in great pain - emotional more than physical.

cool, does it prove that Seju actually ruined her relationships ?

This one, I believe was her doing, but it wouldn't have worked anyway. But if Sumin was told about the fiance, she wouldn't end up beaten.

Seju should've told about it Sumin, not the guy.

What would have been different if she did? What kind of a better scenario would it be? Are you sure it wouldn't end up the same or even worse than what happened?

I never forgot about that, but really, at least Seju had her reason on why she wanted Sumin to suffer, unlike a certain person who wanted Seju to suffer just for the sake of a revenge, not to metion the one she should get her revenge on was moleguy, not Seju. A reasonable person would report moleguy, not to hurt her ex like that.

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Seju should've told about it Sumin, not the guy.

What would have been different if she did? What kind of a better scenario would it be? Are you sure it wouldn't end up the same or even worse than what happened?

I never forgot about that, but really, at least Seju had her reason on why she wanted Sumin to suffer, unlike a certain person who wanted Seju to suffer just for the sake of a revange, not to metion the one she should get her revange on was moleguy, not Seju. A reasonable person would report moleguy, not to hurt her ex like that.

Sumin would talk to the redhead and end things instead of getting beaten up and then ending things. Isn't it different?

Wanting someone to suffer and getting that person back by wanting bad things isn't healthy at all. If she was the one who told the fiance (and I believe she was), it was crossing the line.

Sumin wanted revenge for Seju betraying her, it's also understandable. She chose the wrong way, breaking up would've been enough.

I know what you mean and i get it, but the story shows Seju was the only one who knew about the fiance.

how can you be so sure when they had sex in the office.

Fiance never came to the office?

we do not know, and we do not know if someone else told him, and we do not know if Seju got his Facebook account either. :D

Nami isn't stupid tho. And Seju loves to play. Why would she openly admit such thing to someone she doesn't like and who's Sumin's friend? ;)

I repeat Seju's question, what does Nammi know!
why would she explain anything to Nammi in the first place.. she did not even bother explaining the blind dates thing to her and just let Nammi say whatever hurtful thing she said in ch31 ! do you really think Seju cares what Name thinks of her

Its not about thinking of her. She could've and most likely would've told Sumin about it.

you are losing the point here, DOES NAMMI KNOW ANYTHING for sure ? and does Seju normally care of what Nammi thinks?
NO
then your point is invalid.. proven by chapters and scenes.

I love how much you love those proves and scenes because you can't say Seju wasn't the only one knowing about the fiance when story showed her seeing them together for a reason ;)

We'll never know for sure what Nami knows about it. It's a closed chapter. But the fact above stays valid.

^
you have ZERO evidence on whether Seju to told Dangouk about the Redhead affair
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if anything, Sumin is freaking reckless!

And you have zero evidence that she didn't ;)

I'm with izz. Chapter 45 gives plenty of clues to me that makes it highly likely that it was Seju.

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the scenes show clearly that when you have sex in the office, more likely than not, people will know !
and they can take pictures .. they can also out you !! in the same chapter you saw the redhead in the coffee room !!
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We'll never know for sure what Nami knows about it. It's a closed chapter. But the fact above stays valid.

Nammi knows nothing about the Baeks, when she went to Sumin to tell her about the Blind dating thinking Seju was lonely.. guess what !!! she knew nothing!!
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your arguments are invalid.
if you tell me you believe Nammi in this, I will bring the bartender incident and the phone call thing, since Nammi knows that Seju is not the kind to sleep with anyone when she likes Sumin!
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be consistent, DOES NAMMI KNOWS IT ALL ?

The scene with Nami is more like a confirmation to the scene where we've seen Seju seeing the redhead with her fiance. You love scenes so much and repeat they always have a meaning, but you completely ignore this one for some reason.

The bartender scene we agreed is cheating no matter what. And it's also a closed chapter. We most likely won't know more about it.

Foxy lady once said:

WDTFS art is unique. Thanks to Gaji, the artist. The details plays a vital role to make trajectories basing from these frames and connect these frames on a similar note from the circumstances between chapters, past and present. If readers are not keen about it, then even making inferences is impossible. Read chap.13, Seju's office, parking area, hotel and lastly, chap. 49. "what are you telling me" is a classic response of Seju because she won't buy the idea that Nami is doing all of these because she ia a friend of Sumin. There you go, Nami finally admitted "sleep with me at least once". I even think Seju bogged down purposely to prevent the "forced sex". But this one has no evidence. So, I never brought this up until now because it is not valid. I can't back it up.

what a sharpe eye this lady has

The scene with Nami is more like a confirmation to the scene where we've seen Seju seeing the redhead with her fiance. You love scenes so much and repeat they always have a meaning, but you completely ignore this one for some reason
The bartender scene we agreed is cheating no matter what. And it's also a closed chapter. We most likely won't know more about it.

I give up once more, you win again.. if I lost myself again, please remind me to stop
I will be deleting my comment in that matter..

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I'm with izz. Chapter 45 gives plenty of clues to me that makes it highly likely that it was Seju.

list them please !

I'm not going to go into major detail but.

1. When Seju and Choi(?) go back to Sumins, Seju is in her car watching them.

2. Seju then sees Choi at a party with her fiance and over hears her talking on the phone to Sumin.

3. Seju is then there to comfort Sumin. ( Of course Sumin could have called her but showing Seju there in that particular moment is important)

4. Seju says in her flashback. "Coincidence or not" this implies that it's not always coincidental. Also she says this twice which makes me think they are playing particular attention to the phrase.

5. The whole speech about Sumin suffering (her motive for doing it) along with this whole particular chapter.

Now of course you could get completely different things out of this but i can't no matter how many times i read this chapter.

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See, i told you that you would read things differently :)

I'm not going to argue with you anyway as that way just seems to lead to frustration. I made my points and nothing you said above challenges them to me sorry. Maybe we are just too strong headed.

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