Well... I can see that it's nice seeing comic characters you like come to life on the big screen, whether they were useful or not doesn't really matter.
Here's hoping that the sequel (I'm pretty sure there's one to come) will be better. Just like the last Batman trilogy. The second movie was, by far, the best. So maybe they just used this part to introduce the characters... (I hope)
And even if it wasn't a big hit quality-wise it's still a pretty entertaining action movie.

Please tell me what useful things did Killer Croc do. How did he improve the story?

1 - He didn't have to "improve the story" it was an action movie with a few jokes, he just had to punch things
2 - Define useful
3 - or don't because I already said agree to disagree

If you remove him from the movie, nothing changes*. (Like how if you remove the Joker, nothing changes at all).

El Diablo didn't do anything until the end, but Croc didn't do anything at all. El Diablo was underutilized but still utilized. Croc was not at all. El Diablo was a deeper character with more complexities and he had an arc in the movie (as rushed as it was). Croc has no arc.

By useful I mean how did he improve the movie. What did he do that was so important and made the movie better? How did he make the movie more enjoyable? What did he do that was so critical? He was a main character in this film. But he was used like a supporting/background character.

Just because something is an action movie doesn't mean that you have to make a bad movie. It's stuff like that that gives the Transformers movies a pass. Action movies can be dumb action, but they can also be smart action. Take a look at the original Robocop or Total Recall. You don't have anyone introduced with their own introduction scene and then have them not do anything in the film.

Killer Croc got introduced with his own scene and does barely anything. Slipknot had no scene, just oh hey here's this guy so his role was done fine because he never was set up as someone important to this team and instead was set up to be a throwaway character.

Why set up someone as a key character and have him do nothing?

Still, it's a better film than Man of Steel and Batman v Superman because Zack Snyder is the worst for this universe.

*If you want to be meticulous, then yes you would have to change who swims under the big glowy light.

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Hey now I won't disagree Kubo has some great character designs, there's a reason my avi is from Bleach D:

Yea, I figured it was a Stern ritter but can't remember who. The last arc was unfortinately .. bad. Even if it's not totally Kubo's fault, Dang you WSJ. I'd have liked if Kubo trolled and made Ywach or Aizen kill everyone in the 686.

Well... I can see that it's nice seeing comic characters you like come to life on the big screen, whether they were useful or not doesn't really matter.
Here's hoping that the sequel (I'm pretty sure there's one to come) will be better. Just like the last Batman trilogy. The second movie was, by far, the best. So maybe they just used this part to introduce the characters... (I hope)
And even if it wasn't a big hit quality-wise it's still a pretty entertaining action movie.

I don't like comics, I just thought the question wasn't fair >_>

If you remove him from the movie, nothing changes*. (Like how if you remove the Joker, nothing changes at all).

El Diablo didn't do anything until the end, but Croc didn't do anything at all. El Diablo was underutilized but still utilized. Croc was not at all. El Diablo was a deeper character with more complexities and he had an arc in the movie (as rushed as it was). Croc has no arc.

By useful I mean how did he improve the movie. What did he do that was so important and made the movie better? How did he make the movie more enjoyable? What did he do that was so critical? He was a main character in this film. But he was used like a supporting/background character.

He was a supporting/background character tho :/

The main characters were Flagg, Harley and Deadshot, I thought the narrative was clear with that. Maybe marketing deceived and made it seem like they would all be equally important but I didn't follow that.

I don't think that definition of useful is really fair in general. An entertaining character for me doesn't need to justify their place in a movie. And killer croc was entertaining enough ("I'm beautiful")

Just because something is an action movie doesn't mean that you have to make a bad movie. It's stuff like that that gives the Transformers movies a pass. Action movies can be dumb action, but they can also be smart action. Take a look at the original Robocop or Total Recall. You don't have anyone introduced with their own introduction scene and then have them not do anything in the film.

Just because it's not a smart action movie doesn't mean it's bad one either :/

Popcorn flicks exist to entertain, they don't have to be clever.

Killer Croc got introduced with his own scene and does barely anything. Slipknot had no scene, just oh hey here's this guy so his role was done fine because he never was set up as someone important to this team and instead was set up to be a throwaway character.

Why set up someone as a key character and have him do nothing?

He wasn't set up as a key character though, he got a far briefer intro than Deadshot or Quinn :/

Slipknot didn't get an intro because he blew up straight away.

Hey now I won't disagree Kubo has some great character designs, there's a reason my avi is from Bleach D:

Yea, I figured it was a Stern ritter but can't remember who. The last arc was unfortinately .. bad. Even if it's not totally Kubo's fault, Dang you WSJ. I'd have liked if Kubo trolled and made Ywach or Aizen kill everyone in the 686.

I was rooting for Yhwach in the last chapter too D:

It's Giselle in my avi

He was a supporting/background character tho :/

The main characters were Flagg, Harley and Deadshot, I thought the narrative was clear with that. Maybe marketing deceived and made it seem like they would all be equally important but I didn't follow that.

Why is the movie called Suicide Squad then? The narrative did make it clear once they got to the second half, but why introduce everyone like how they did? Made it seem like they were important. But he was just an unimportant background character.

The marketing for the movie was awful though. Seems the same team that chopped up the trailers did the final movie by the looks of the final product.

The Expendables movies do a much better job with giving everyone a fair share to do even if they aren't the main villain and Sly and Jason Statham. Everyone on the poster does something and gets plenty of time to shine. They always feel involved and those movies are really dumb action movies that you only watch because of who is in it.

I don't think that definition of useful is really fair in general. An entertaining character for me doesn't need to justify their place in a movie. And killer croc was entertaining enough ("I'm beautiful")

One line and nothing else. I laughed too. He did not do anything else entertaining besides I guess watch TV at the end of the movie.

Just because it's not a smart action movie doesn't mean it's bad one either :/

Popcorn flicks exist to entertain, they don't have to be clever.

Except this one is a bad film. Is it a pop corn flick? I guess so, but it doesn't have to be. Marvel makes popcorn flicks too, but they do a way better job (for the most part, Thor 2 is boring as hell and I liked the first Thor though it is boring too) of making the story engaging as well.

Transformers is a popcorn flick. It can be entertaining, but it's awful. This movie isn't one of those dumb action movies that are good either. It's a bad movie.

He wasn't set up as a key character though, he got a far briefer intro than Deadshot or Quinn :/

Slipknot didn't get an intro because he blew up straight away.

I know. Slipknot didn't get an intro exactly because he was just for one scene.

Croc was set up as an important member of the team. So was Captain Boomerang. (They need to stop giving Jai Courtney roles in films.) Both of them barely do anything, exist to make a few funny lines and that is it.

I hope Justice League gives everyone a fair shot and it isn't again the Batman show like how Batman v Superman was.

Well it looks like we just have a fundamentally different position on this, and anything else would be going in circles. Which we'll have to do anyway because we're back at agree to disagree which I tried to do ages ago :/

Tell me, are you happy with how little he had to do in the film or do you wish he did more in the film?

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You're a persistent one too, huh? ^^
Don't put so much pressure on poor little CCL. They'll break!
Show some mercy (`･ω･´)

I just like movies a lot and hope we could have more good movies. :P

Well, I certainly do share that hope with you.

While we're at it. What are your favorite movies then? Since you love 'em so much, maybe you could recommend something really good.

Well, I certainly do share that hope with you.

While we're at it. What are your favorite movies then? Since you love 'em so much, maybe you could recommend something really good.

Dragonball Evolution ?

Well, if that's your all time favorite, then I really don't wanna see your least favorite one (◦’ںˉ◦)

@ Yoshino

A little late, sorry, but:
Hi! (^_^)/ Nice to see you here! ^^

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1yXUBWgFVI

random song delivery~

@ Rina

Nice song! (^_^)b
And while we listen to it prepare for what's coming next:

@ Everyone

Time for some beauty in here! Beware and behold! （*￣∇￣*）

Since I'm the one who brought the whole mangaka thing up earlier now it's time to spam this thread with two of my favs! Hell yeah! (≧◡≦)

In my own humble opinion, Takehiko Inoue is one of the absolute best:

His art style is simply amazing:

But not just the cover art even in manga it just looks absolutely incredible:

And apart from him I also like Yusuke Kozaki very much:

He doesn't always manage to shine with each and every picture but when he does it's stunning:

… it's a matter of taste of course, but gosh, they're good! ^^
I'll just sit here and stare for the rest of the day...

Anyone ever listened to Maximum the Hormone? Their recent(ish) album Yoshu Fukushu is tasty as fuck in its jamitude. I'd definitely recommend the song of the same name from it, for it is probably the best song they've ever made. You might've heard their song "F" if you watched Dragonball Z: Resurrection F. You could've also heard 2 of their songs ("What's up People?" and "Zetsubou Billy") if you saw the 2nd half of Death Note.

Are we talking about good art? Cause Yuusuke Murata.

On a different note, is anybody excited for Hana and Hina Afterschool getting a Western publication? It's a bit of late news, but I just found out about it. I'm a bit hesitant to get it right away due to the possibility of an omnibus or two and the fact that it's an ongoing series that could taper off in quality like Gakuen Police. Either way, I'm pumped I get another excuse to support Morinaga Milk. I'm still hoping one of these days we get a Girl Friends anime or even a TV drama. Fingers crossed.

lol, someone in korea must've watched Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress, this movie reminds me so much of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZIUSsXMm3s

Mankind was only free from the Kabane for so long, they've now attacked Korea O o O

While we're at it. What are your favorite movies then? Since you love 'em so much, maybe you could recommend something really good.

My favorite movies? Here are some of my favorites. I would say they are all good, some great, and maybe a few are masterpieces.

Total Recall (1990), Escape from New York, John Carpenter's The Thing, Alien, The Terminator, The Godfather, Lord of the Rings (though specifically out of the 3 Fellowship of the Ring is my favorite), Top Gun.

On a different note, is anybody excited for Hana and Hina Afterschool getting a Western publication? It's a bit of late news, but I just found out about it. I'm a bit hesitant to get it right away due to the possibility of an omnibus or two and the fact that it's an ongoing series that could taper off in quality like Gakuen Police. Either way, I'm pumped I get another excuse to support Morinaga Milk. I'm still hoping one of these days we get a Girl Friends anime or even a TV drama. Fingers crossed.

I'm excited about it. :D

I've always been impressed by the oneshot Purgatorial Queen and its art style. It's not the richest in detail, but it's a really cool blend of like Hellsing style mixed with FMA. I think if it was an ova that it could blow my mind in terms of visuals. I'm not much into the action or adventure genre, so I don't really have a preference on stuff like Berserk or Fist of the North Star or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. But I do love stuff like Hellsing and Trigun.

^
Morinaga's work (Girl Friends aside) leave me totally indifferent so I don't care at all.
Agree on the point that we need at least ONE good yuri anime. Girl friends has the foundation to be a good anime, tho I'd like to see an Octave, Hanjuku joshi or even a Gokujou drop adaptation too.

In terms of anime art, my favourite is Shinichiro Watanabe.

Btw, Hellsing ultimate >>>> the first Hellsing anime.

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Morinaga's work (Girl Friends aside) leave me totally indifferent so I don't care at all.
Agree on the point that we need at least ONE good yuri anime. Girl friends has the foundation to be a good anime, tho I'd like to see an Octave, Hanjuku joshi or even a Gokujou drop adaptation too.

How about Kisses, Sighs, and Cherry Blossom Pink?

I would love Hanjuku Joshi as an anime. That series deserves it.

^
Morinaga's work (Girl Friends aside) leave me totally indifferent so I don't care at all.
Agree on the point that we need at least ONE good yuri anime. Girl friends has the foundation to be a good anime, tho I'd like to see an Octave, Hanjuku joshi or even a Gokujou drop adaptation too.

In terms of anime art, my favourite is Shinichiro Watanabe.

Dude, Octave is up there among my favorites, so I totally agree with you there. I'd think it could work if the Japanese market weren't a bunch of lightweights when it comes to really deep topics and plotlines. It's the same reason why Bebop (one of my favorite animes, along with Champloo) was poorly received in Japan yet sold great here. I still need to see Sakamichi. I plan on renting it once I finish another series I'm currently on.

Oh, and I absolutely agree on Hellsing Ultimate. Only disappointing thing is that there's no cool intro with that catchy theme like in the original. I also think some of the writing and performances for the dub in Ultimate are pretty rad. It's almost like they were inspired by some of the earlier Hellsing Abridged episodes, because some of the later jokes in the series could not have been there originally. Sir Integra's voice actress (Victoria Harwood) was so perfect for the role. Then I found out she was in DearS. Bit of a strange transition betwixt the two.

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It's the same reason why Bebop (one of my favorite animes, along with Champloo) was poorly received in Japan yet sold great here.

Wait, really? Didn't know those 2 didn't do well in Japan. That's pretty ridiculous.
Definitely agree on them being some of the best anime out there, they're not only 2 of my favorites, they are my 2 favorite animes.