Faylicia

exactly. that's why i don't think they're completely ~in love~ yet. not right now. i do have a feeling that this rashness will have some consequences though, and it'll contribute to the story in one way or another.

Sungji acting the way she does around Sumin is understandable, so this is not a problem. Different people act different around their crushes.

i do have a feeling that this rashness will have some consequences though, and it'll contribute to the story in one way or another.

Realistically speaking, it should. But the way the story went so far, I'm not sure to what extend.
I have a feeling that whatever drama Sumin and Sungji will have, will mostly come from an outside factor right now. Like Seju. Maybe Sumin will try to hide her past from her too, or Sungji will cry at some point, and then this will strengthen their relationship more.

Tbh I'm skeptical regerding the plot since the beggining of the second arc.
Also, when creating a couple, I think it would be better to make their characters match each other's. You can't pair random people together, only because you find them cool individually. This is how I feel about Nami x Seju, although we don't know what will happen of course.
On the bright side,at least Sungji and Sumin characters match.

MacySan

i don't know how they will make this rashness beome problematic, but i hope it will not a badly-written. i honestly feel that it should not be a problem because of Seju's intervention. i keep my stance that she will remain passive and depressed. it'd be nice if they make it more realistic but there's always the possibility like what you said.

and yeah i agree with you that Nami and Seju feels kind of forced as a couple. they just don't have any chemistry at all, and their tension doesn't spark any romantic interest imo.

Yes, I know but I think it's important to stop being cute and talk more about other things sometimes, but I think Sungji tried to do that too so! :D
well I don't really define being in love like that but ok :/
Tbh yes, but at the same time I kind of want something a bit less predictable to happen. I really loooooove this story but I will be a bit disappointed if certain things don't happen...
Also... Team Gaji... goes a bit overboard with the necks sometimes... gosh I wish I could unsee that... if you pay attention it's painful... it reminds me of the rokurokubi... >.>

Man I'm always away when things get good. Agree with a lot of what's been said here, particularly by Faylicia, but we both like Sumin x Sungji so there's probably some bias there.

The first "part" was 27 chapters which is conveniently about one third of 80 chapters. I suspect this part will be another 7 to 8 chapters and then we may see a time skip. For sure there are gaps in their relationship that we don't see. It was implied even before they were going out that Sumin told Sungji about what happened to her parents; there are probably other things they talk about that we don't see.

Now that I think of it though... when you have a crush on someone like Sungji you kind of forget about everything and the only thing you want is to be cute to that person so you end up goofing around all the time and you forget to actually talk about something more... deep(?) I don't know if that the right way to put it but yeah... Now that I think of it that's kind of a bad habit... gosh... it kind of struck me just now o_o... O||||O

The alternative -- diving into all the details early on -- can be a bit too much also. Dishing all your baggage to someone early in a relationship doesn't mean that you're more in love or better for each other in some way. Knowing that you can enjoy each other's company on a day to day basis is just as meaningful.

Yeah definitely, I agree ^-^ I just think that everything should have some sort of limit and maybe sometimes you can overdo it... For example you will see we barely know anything about Sungji because she doesn't talk much about herself so we only see her being cute to Sumin for the most part. That makes her seem a bit less interesting, though I would say this is more the author's fault rather than a problem in Sungji's character since I don't think it was deliberate, unless... she plans to surprise us O_O. I just noticed it because I have done that in the past and it caused err... some misconceptions about me(?)

Also... Team Gaji... goes a bit overboard with the necks sometimes... gosh I wish I could unsee that... if you pay attention it's painful... it reminds me of the rokurokubi... >.>

I guess I haven't noticed this lol because I'm not sure what you mean.
And I think if they are going to do anything with Nami and Seju then they should just become friends or frienemies and not actually get into a relationship, just because it would seem way too forced since they haven't been getting along.

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Also... Team Gaji... goes a bit overboard with the necks sometimes... gosh I wish I could unsee that... if you pay attention it's painful... it reminds me of the rokurokubi... >.>

I guess I haven't noticed this lol because I'm not sure what you mean.
And I think if they are going to do anything with Nami and Seju then they should just become friends or frienemies and not actually get into a relationship, just because it would seem way too forced since they haven't been getting along.

They're kind of long, I mean, when they're kissing, Sumin's neck, and Sungji's neck when she is taking off Sumin's shirt... it certainly is a bit too long

Also... Team Gaji... goes a bit overboard with the necks sometimes... gosh I wish I could unsee that... if you pay attention it's painful... it reminds me of the rokurokubi... >.>

I guess I haven't noticed this lol because I'm not sure what you mean.
And I think if they are going to do anything with Nami and Seju then they should just become friends or frienemies and not actually get into a relationship, just because it would seem way too forced since they haven't been getting along.

They're kind of long, I mean, when they're kissing, Sumin's neck, and Sungji's neck when she is taking off Sumin's shirt... it certainly is a bit too long

Haha I'll have to check this next time, of course now that you pointed it out that is probably all I'll be able to focus on now XD

Also... Team Gaji... goes a bit overboard with the necks sometimes... gosh I wish I could unsee that... if you pay attention it's painful... it reminds me of the rokurokubi... >.>

I guess I haven't noticed this lol because I'm not sure what you mean.
And I think if they are going to do anything with Nami and Seju then they should just become friends or frienemies and not actually get into a relationship, just because it would seem way too forced since they haven't been getting along.

They're kind of long, I mean, when they're kissing, Sumin's neck, and Sungji's neck when she is taking off Sumin's shirt... it certainly is a bit too long

Haha I'll have to check this next time, of course now that you pointed it out that is probably all I'll be able to focus on now XD

doooon't wooooorryyy~~ she only does it some times :P

I'm having a hard time putting scales on someone with grapefruit-size boobs.

I'm sure TeamPink will hate me for this, but Sumin x Sungji can stand on its own without Seju. It might not be as riveting or heart-wrenching (clearly you don't care about this) of a story, but it could happen. Since the original concept was without Seju written in, my guess is that the redhead would get more screen-time. Personally I think without Seju in the mix, the story becomes much more pedestrian yuri.

Have you seen X-Men? Mystique totally rocked the reptilian thing and made it sexy. Seju's aesthetic would be suited for that, probably not Hilary (MacySan Trump looks like an inbred between an Oompa Loompa and a mutant ninja turtle; and has the personality of a charismatic frog).

I think I like Seju's character more as a relic of the past, the obstacle for Sumin to overcome. I know her character carries meaning to the plot (which is why a part of me wants to care), but the current her is honestly pathetic and a bit creepy (no flame TeamPink just saying). It's hard for me personally to empathize with a person praying/hoping/wishing on another person's unhappiness so you can extend the time you possess them. I can't get down like that.

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But did Seju ever wished for Sumin relationship to not work? As far as I know she never really hoped that they would not work, she just expect they won't work cause Sumin never had another relationship that worked, why would she wish that Sumin relationship won't work when she knows thanks to the last 10 years that they won't work? Also, since when Seju ever tried to possess Sumin? She wants to be with Sumin, not possess her, sorry but in my opinion Seju never acted in a way that shows she care more about having Sumin with her instead of seeing her happy, if she ever did anything against Sumin relationships then I could agree, but I feel you're not seeing Seju how she really is, it was always Sumin who came back to use her and all Seju did was give support, if anything I see Seju wanting Sumin to be happy, sorry Kinetik_09, but I complely disagree on your view of Seju.

I agree Seju can be seen as pathetic, but in a good way, her whole life is suffering except for the brief time of happiness with Sumin, she's completely passive to it, enduring it all alone, you can't always have a sympathetic character without them being pathetic, she's the kind of pathetic that makes you want to hug her and tell her everything will be alright, she's The Woobie

Forgot to say, but Sumin x Sungji can't stand on its own without Seju because this is not a romance story, this is a healing story with romance, their romance is just a part of the main plot, in the end the main plot will go back to Seju and Sumin relationship.

I think I like Seju's character more as a marker of the past, the obstacle for Sumin to overcome. I know her character carries meaning to the plot (which is why a part of me wants to care), but the current her is honestly pathetic and a bit creepy (no flame TeamPink just saying). It's hard for me personally to empathize with a person praying/hoping/wishing on another person's unhappiness so you can extend the time you possess them. I can't get down like that.

Exactly. Seju has done her share of mistakes, how can she wish for that? There is something really broken inside her she is really obsessed with Sumin in a very unhealthy way. I do understand that she really wants to be the only one Sumin will always have in mind(or sth?) even if Sumin doesn't love her anymore but it's such an unhealthy obsession... Especially when you start wishing things like that... I understand indulging in Sumin because she loves her but actually wishing her relationships fail is a bit messed up. I think she clings more to the memories and the past feelings rather than Sumin herself ... and yes, pathetic, exactly. She is just stepping all over her dignity by clinging to Sumin like that. She deserves someone who loves her as well. She doesn't deserve that so she should respect herself a bit more... She should at least have had a talk with Sumin and if she had done that... maybe they could have even started dating again... but instead she just kept clinging to her and just doing everything Sumin wanted as though she was a servant.

She did wish for it, we just saw it in chapter 45... she literally said she wishes things were more difficult for Sumin and then she says something about that she will hate her that way... which I don't understand. I think she means that she will hate her because if it wasn't for her cheating then she wouldn't be going through all that... which kind of validates the fact that she has feelings for her or something...

I'm not sure to what extent the story would stand without Seju because I'm pretty sure there will be some confrontation among the characters later on but the fact that it's a healing story has nothing to do with it. Yes, the story doesn't stand without 'Seju'-any Seju. Seju is the character who was Sumin's first love and cheated on her, the story wouldn't stand without that information but for now the story can pretty much stand without Seju being an actual main character. She could have just been someone like the red-head or the lawyer. It makes sense I think, I kind of doubt TeamGaji just came up with her out of the blue. She was probably drawing her and while she did she though she was cool so she came up with some other ideas and decided to make her a main character as well. I think this will serve a purpose soon or else we would't see Seju's POV in chapter 45. I don't really want this story to be so predictable: Sumin and Sungji are lovely dovey, Sumin and Seju solve their past issues, something happens between Seju and Nami. Considering the amount of chapters we have left though... I'm sure there is more room for other things. Seeing how Seju is so obsessed and is almost freaking out right now I think she will do something crazy and there will be some confrontation. Probably mentioning Nami talks to Sungji wasn't that coincidental either... she could tell her other stuff... and I think Nami might not have been added to be paired up with Seju but rather for something else...
Like... seducing Sungji when she is in a weak moment. Of course I don't Sungji would actually be seduced by her but she might seek her company which could stir drama between her and Team Leader♥

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Hmm, regarding them sleeping together but not yet fully knowing each other well, I think Sungji is ready but just waiting for Sumin to open up. She's been getting clues from Nami, I'm sure she's at least got an idea of what Sumin is not talking about.

Thing with Sumin is she's got bad luck in relationships (coincidence or not). She's kinda going back and forth because of her failed relationships. That's why having sex with Sungji is just a natural flow for me. Sumin is more protective of her heart than her body so having sex is nothing. But Sumin already professed her love for Sungji so I'll just take it as that. I just hope Team Gaji won't take it back like, "you remind me so much of myself when I was in love with Seju way back when I was innocent and like a love sick puppy following her around" route.

Anyways, Sumin is slowly changing. It's gradual and it's subtle but she's getting there, I hope. But unless Sumin and Seju got their closure, I won't consider her fully healed yet especially Seju. Honestly, I'm not optimistic that she'll come out of this alive.

Regarding Seju's possessiveness, I won't believe it until I see her doing those manipulative schemes because as far as I can remember, she hasn't done anything. Or did she??

And I hope Team Gaji stahp it with SejuxNami because I'm on the verge of shipping it now. Although I think it's more appropriate if it's just IMPLIED to happen towards the end if Seju will even survive this series.

Forgot to say, but Sumin x Sungji can't stand on its own without Seju because this is not a romance story, this is a healing story with romance, their romance is just a part of the main plot, in the end the main plot will go back to Seju and Sumin relationship.

It could still be a healing story for Sumin. If Seju weren't in the picture, there'd still be all the betrayal by the redhead that would make Sumin close off. I'm not claiming it'd be a better story, I'm just saying it was set up to have a full plot with or without Seju. Also, it can be both a romance and healing story. Those two themes aren't mutually exclusive; they don't even really need to compete with one another.

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And I hope Team Gaji stahp it with SejuxNami because I'm on the verge of shipping it now. Although I think it's more appropriate if it's just IMPLIED to happen towards the end if Seju will even survive this series.

Ah yeah I think that's perfect :). I'm pretty sure Seju will make it alive. She hasn't actually done anything so she is actually not manipulative or anything like that I think but she is pretty obsessed and kind of selfish for wishing that Sumin would have troubles.
I kind of ship it too... I mean Seju is really a lady who isn't afraid to speak her mind with Nami in contrast to how she becomes this weak slave self when she is with Sumin. Seju is pretty broken in general so once she gets 'fixed' it's not entirely impossible for her to start seeing things with a brand new perspective. That being said, there is definitely no time to develop their relationship but implying something could work.

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I know that it can be both and that the story could have existed without Seju, but I believe the person who said Sumin x Sungji can stand on it's own meant that Seju is not necessary anymore, yeah the themes are not mutually exclusive, but those who think Seju is not necessary apparently don't understand that the story was always about healing Seju and Sumin, not about Sumin romance with Sungji, it's against this that I'm arguing, it's what I meant about this not being a romance story, it has romance but it was never the main plot, if their relationship was part of the story from the beginning then I could agree, but that is just how Sumin starts healing, I said before, but I believe that later the story will focus more on Seju healing when Sumin is more healed.

Also, come on Team Pink, people are talking about Seju and I'm the only one defending her?

Are you sure? The author did say it was a healing story but did she say it was Sumin's and Seju's healing story? I'm not saying Seju's healing is not important but the one we focus on being hurt over and over is Sumin. This leads me to think that the main plot is Sumin's healing through her romance with Sungji, so it definitely is about their romance. It's even the premise of the story and the original idea as well!
Of course the romance is the main plot... Sumin has been hurt by past romances and her new romance is what heals her. What about the main plot does not involve romance? If the story was about Sumin adopting a little girl and healing through being her mother or something that would be different but this is not like that.
The story will focus on Seju's healing as well but it will be parallel with Sumin's. It won't just randomly jump cut to Seju out the blue I think. Because maybe the story doesn't stand without Seju but Seju definitely doesn't stand on her own without the story. Also as I mentioned before I'm pretty sure there will be some drama and confrontation because if there's not then this is going to be pretty predictable and I'm sure TeamGaji knows that.

I read here somewhere, not so long ago, someone said that team Gaji said that this story was originally about Sungji and Sumin being all lovey dovey and drama free, and then they came up with Seju. So, without Seju I say the story would be completely different, it wouldn't be a healing story but just your ordinary age-gap romance. Also if this story can stand alone without Seju, she won't get as much attention as she did, we won't be seeing any flashbacks after Sumin is with Sungji, and Seju would be erased completely from the story. If romance is the main plot, then we can expect the rest 30 something chapter to be about Sungji and Sumin all lovey dovey, with just a tiny bit of drama, and Seju getting together with Nami.

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Seju is rather pathetic yes, because she's still stuck in the past, unlike Sumin who's gradually moving on with the help of Sungji. Seju wishing for Sumin's relationships to fail is wicked yes, just like how Sumin and the phone sex call, and the casual sex then come back to fuck Seju are wicked. Seju still hasn't been shown to actively do something twisted yet, try to refrain from the overt speculation and judgement.

I'm completely sure the story is about healing Seju and Sumin because both are main characters, if only Sumin is healed then it just won't be a healing story, because in a healing story all characters are healed, what the original story was don't matter, especially since it was going to be drama free, it's true that the story focus more on Sumin, but that doesn't mean she's more hurt than Seju, don't forget that we did see Sumin get hurt, but we also saw that she was hurting Seju on purpose for 10 years, not saying one is more hurt than the other of course, both are really hurt but in different ways, so we can't really compare, also, I didn't say the story is not about romance too, but the fact that Team Gaji themselves said this is a healing story shows that this is the main plot, it's just beind done through romance, I say that romance is not the main plot because some people think that Seju is completely useless to the story now that we have Sumin x Sungji, but if you don't think like that then I do agree that, ignoring the fact that this is a healing story, then this is indeed a romance story, especially because it's almost sure that part of what will heal Seju will be her probably romantic relationship with Nami, just like it is happening now with Sumin relationship with Sungji, but I don't think they will be fully healed until they finally talk with each other.

Isn't the story already randomly jumping to Seju? Someone even said that we're more or less having 3 chapters of Sumin x Sungji and then 1 chapter of Seju, what I think that will happen is that when Sumin is more obviously healed, either we're going to have more chapters about Seju or we're going to start seeing the story from her point of view like how it happened with No-rae and Seol-a in FF.

I agree that the Seju doesn't stand on her own either, really, the way the story is it just can't exist without both Seju, Sumin and Sungji, without one of them it would be completely different, maybe even the same for Nami, the way I see it, Team Gaji could have easily done two connected webcomics/manwha, one from Seju point of view and one from Sumin point of view, even if each was only 40 chapters, not only it would make everyone happy, but it would also better to flesh out both characters and still following the same main plot since one can't exist without the other, I think in part the reason we don't see as much about Seju is because she's too passive, so not as much happens in her life like it happens for Sumin, and when something do happens, it is pretty much always something bad, I think that when we start seeing more Seju moments with Nami then the chapters and story will be more balanced between Seju x Nami and Sumin x Sungji, I think it makes sense we see more about Sumin since she's healing first.

As for how Seju is, I agree she's obssessed with Sumin and that is definitely unhealthy, but at least she never did anything bad because of that, I don't think it's just because she's passive, but also because she still loves Sumin a lot and don't want to hurt her, and seriously, did we ever see Seju wishing that Sumin relationships don't work? I mean, she expects that they won't work, I won't deny that it's not something nice to expect, but it's definitely not the same as outright wish that they won't work, but I do understand why they can be seen as the same, but believing a relationship won't work and wishing it won't work will never be the same, that's why I want you guys opinion, cause at least from what I remember she only expects, never wished, not to mention that even if she does wish for Sumin relationships to not work, you can't really judge her, don't forget that Sumin hurt and used her for 10 years on purpose, no one can judge Seju if she does wish that, it's not nice that she thinks that, but she never did even one thing to on purpose hurt Sumin or ruin her relationships, and I just want confirmation if she wishes or not since I don't remember.

Again about Seju being pathetic, I think her whole life she was pathetic, that is not something bad, it's one of her endearing traits, but I do agree that part of why she's so pathetic need to be resolved since she's like that in part for never talking with Sumin about their broken relationship and live in the past, but other reason she's pathetic is probably because of her relationship with her family and how she can't do anything about it, it's probably their fault she's so passive and pathetic to begin with.

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Seju never outright wish that Sumin's relationship will never work. What I understand from her line in chapter 45, It's more like her wishful thinking, how she would prefer things to go. I know that's still not a good thing, but other than her thoughts, like what queerturtle and Thiaguinho-sama said, she was never shown doing anything twisted to hurt Sumin or try to ruin Sumin's relationships after they broke up. All she did was wait.

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@Thiaguinho-sama
Seju did hope that things would be difficult for Sumin so that she can come back and hate her. That's already like wishing that Sumin will never find another one. Like it's okay for her that Sumin finds someone and at the same time have a miserable/bad relationship with that person so it won't work out in the end. Which will make Sumin come back to her, and they'll have another hate sex session.

But whether the purpose is because she wants Sumin for herself or because Seju wants to be punished for what she did is kinda unclear. Only sure thing is she's obsessed with Sumin and she can't break free from their bond, if she even wants to. She's fallen so deep someone needs to help her. That's why I need Sumin to recover and her relationship with Sungji to work so that Seju can let go of her. Because then, Sumin won't come back and she wouldn't have to wait anymore. But then again, I'm more afraid of what will happen once Seju finally lets go of her.

I see, thanks Martian and chocofudge, I always get confused when someone says Seju want Sumin relationships to fail because she never really wished for that, but it is true she want Sumin to have problems in her relationship, but I don't think it is that bad, I mean, even if it's just problem that is not a good thing to want, there's no denying that, but I always see people mentioning that in the worst way possible, but honestly? I don't think she wishes that Sumin have problems in her relationships out of malice, how I see things is that just like us, Seju is completely aware that if Sumin finally finds someone then they'll probably never see each other again, cause let's be honest, if this was not a healing story that could easily happens, or we would at least expect that has good chances to happen if we didn't know this is a healing story, I really doubt Seju want Sumin relationships to have problems for pety reasons like want to possess her, taking in acount their complex relationship and how much Seju still loves Sumin, I think the real reason is not simply guilty, obssession or the fact that she doesn't have anyone else, well, they are definitely part of the reason, but I think it is because above all else, Seju just can't see a life without Sumin in some way, I think she don't care why, she just need a reason, any reason for Sumin to come back, and her relationships having problems is probably the only thing she can think that will make Sumin come back, because she knows Seju will always be there for her, but Seju probably also knows that they'll probably never be together again, she's going to always wait for a day that might happen, but beside the promise to be each other family, if Sumins find someone else she don't really have any reason to come back, and Seju is probably terrified of that.

Of course I'm not trying to make Seju sounds better than Sumin just because she probably don't really wish that, I don't think one is better than the other at all, although it is true that Sumin did some pretty bad things against Seju, I don't think it's just for revenge anymore, in the beginning it definitely was, but both are stuck in the past, after so long being in that love/hate relationship that they have, I just don't think they can avoid hurting each other in some way, Seju is basically a doormat and just endured anything Sumin did against her, which in itself is bad and in the long run helped a lot to make their relationship fucked up, while Sumin, even if she doesn't want I don't think she's capable of interacting with Seju without hurting her in some way, they're just too broken to interact with each other like normal people, I think they're even too used with Sumin hurting Seju and maybe even scared to even try to change their dynamic after so long, they make me think of Evangelion, Seju and Sumin relationship and a little of their personality are pretty much like Shinji and Asuka, only difference is that it won't end with everyone dying in the third impact... Or will it?

Well, as always my posts are unnecessarily long, any opinions on what I said? And as for Seju = Shinji and Sumin = Asuka, does that mean that Sungji = Rei? I mean, Sungji is pretty moe too, and if Seju end up with Nami would that make her into Kaworu? Would Seju family be either Gendou or Seele?

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