in Japan and Korea, depending on the province, they can be even less tolerant of homosexuals and transgenders culturally bc of religious beliefs being prevalent
While I can't say that Japanese society wasn't heteronormative before, "homosexual acts" were only criminalized during Westernization, which had long lasting effects. Japanese religions are no more homophobic than e.g. the Christian churches. In general, very often throughout history the enforcement of heterosexuality was a means for the State to exercise control over the population (not unlike religion), so only blaming religion leaves the real culprits out of the picture.
I only brought this up, because there's a tendency in Western discussions to view Japanese society as whole as "backwards", which on one hand erases the local social justice movements of Japan, and also may trick us into thinking as if "The West" is oh so accepting and tolerant, or as if it's always been accepting and tolerant.
Yes like the person below you said I was talking about Western religions. In South Korean history male kings freely engaged in same sex relationships well before Westernization kicked in. There is indeed a good amount of Christians in South Korea. Even in America, you see Korean missionary churches everywhere in any state pretty much. But I don’t know about Catholicism there though. The other person might be able to respond to that. Just christians who think same sex relationships are wrong bc of procreation. In Japan it’s also a cultural thing in which they want you to get married and have kids, etc.
Two more for the boringly perfect and in control blonde girl falls in love with a helpless dark-haired girl who needs her lover to save her pile.
Mao's portrayal was especially disgusting. Kodama made her look like the epitome of the helpless and unlikeable dark haired love interest.
When are writers going to stop adding to these disgusting archetypes and writing original characters and stories?
The year 4001?
Oh, give it a rest please. Whether it's some weird obsession of yours or just trolling, I don't really care.
Nez. Just because you are weird like that, doesn't mean others are too. I remember you commenting on a post, saying that you have fucked a ton of guys and girls, and saying "just because a girl likes sex, doesn't mean that she is a slut". Well that is exactly what it means in your case. A girl liking sex can be split up into two categories. A girl who has a lot of sex with a lot of people, Aka. a slut. Or a girl who has lots of sex with one partner, Aka. not a whore.
Dude, totally rude. People can have sex with whoever they want. Leave them alone. People experiment with multiple partners and it’s normal. Just because you’re monogamous doesn’t mean you should go around slut shaming. Imo there is no such thing as “sluts.” They are just people who want to sleep around and that’s totally cool as long as they are safe and responsible about it.
I know I defended this manga as "trash" before in this thread, but I have to downgrade it to "worse than trash" now. The past few chapters, plus the relationship chart, are just terrible. It's like every trope is trotted out in the worst way and everyone is terrible - but we're "inclusive" and they're all "friends"??? If I had friends that terrible, they wouldn't be my friends anymore.
If it's trying to show the obsessive aspect of love, or be disturbing, it needs to back off on the "friends" BS as though normal people blackmail their friends. If it's trying to be a "friends" manga, then these people need to be less trash. If it's trying to be a manga about a group of sexual minorities, it should probably not constantly treat them like the worst stereotypes of how fucked up people can be.
If it's going to be trash, it still has to aspire to a certain level. NTR is trash, but it's compelling trash.
I think this guy just wants to write rape porn.
Yup. Seiji especially was a sneaky creepo. The girl is effed up for blackmailing the MC to get closer to that girl too.
And not surprised about the fetishization, this was drawn by a dude...
But despite all this, I am curious about how things will turn out lol.
But I have to say that I feel bad for the MC. He’s (or she, if he becomes trans) this person trying to figure out his (her) identity, but “friends” around him (her) use him (her) for their selfishness.
Don't quite understand why abandoning her thesis, which she was apparently almost finished with, was somehow a hindrance to walking side-by-side with Reiko.
I think she wanted to move onto something that she could accomplish on her own. She says it herself at the end that she didn’t want to depend on anyone for her efforts anymore. She felt like she was playing the whole thesis thing unfairly because she was not really working on it herself (she was having a sexual affair with Reiko, who was helping her out with her thesis as she worked, and this might have felt like nepotism).
In other words, she changed her dream to actually being Reiko’s lover and following her own career path this time instead of trying to use people to get into the fancy “marunuchi ‘ol” profession that she tried to force herself into. The last page says that the thesis paper was written for the top notch company she was originally planning on, so it was something specific to that field. But since she is no longer pursuing that field, she discarded it.
I just started reading this. The transgender girl is so cute... And I feel her pain. Coming out as a cisgirl lesbian here in America was enough drama for me, but I can’t imagine the amount of bullying that LGBTQI Asians get in their schools (in Japan and Korea, depending on the province, they can be even less tolerant of homosexuals and transgenders culturally bc of religious beliefs being prevalent).
I have never in my life heard the claim that long hair makes you look more mature. And hairpins are normal for any age group.
PS: There is an EDIT button. If you use it you won't have to quadruple post.
Quadruple post where?... there’s only one. And I never expected anyone to agree with me lol. I am honest and have to say that hairpin is a bit ugly. But it’s ok if you don’t mind it. Not forcing anyone to think like me to begin with? Which is why I posed it as a rhetorical question?...
Anyway I’m a character designer and entertainment painter so things like that I am just picky with. I mean no harm in being so though.
Whoops, it was "just" a double post. My eyes glazed over after reading your name 3 times.
If you are a character designer you should really know better, but I ain't telling you how this works. Your preferences are yours.
Lol you are repeating what I said, I just told you that I’m not forcing anyone to agree. I don’t understand why you’re trying to cause drama over someone else’s opinion on something small like a hairpin. It’s unattractive to me, and no amount of negativity you give me will change my opinion. Moving on.
Seju and Sumin are kind of like oil and water. They just can’t mix. They were once in love yes, but their actions and words keep hurting one another because of miscommunication. Like they choose ways that give each other more pain than trying to simply resolve it by apologizing and moving on. I see a parallel between these two and another shipping from a favorite anime series of mines, “Revolutionary Girl Utena.” Like how in that series, Shiori and Juri hurt one another because they could not express how they feel about one another and consistently miscommunicated and found the wrong ways to get noticed or deny their feelings.
While I feel like Sumin cheating did make her a hypocrite like matsuri said, she was more forgivable than Seju because she didn’t try to hide that shit or blame it on someone else. She admitted it and was ready to break up if Sungji were to get upset about it, based on her choice to tell her what went down.
I don’t know if it was because they were young at the time, but after Seju cheated on Sumin, she blamed the situation and Sumin for not being attentive to her. She was somewhat selfish in her reasoning at the time (keyword being “at the time”). This selfishness took a heavy toll on Sumin because her folks just died, and on top of that her girlfriend didn’t even have the decency to give her space and time when she needed it. She instead chose to act like a crybaby and run to a bar. Sumin did regret that she was unreasonable and went to visit Seju for forgiveness, but she finds her butt naked with some guy. What Seju should have done was to go visit Sumin after her head cooled and apologized, fully admitting everything was her fault. But since she chose to blame it on Sumin, that’s when Sumin knew their toxic relationship couldn’t continue.
I guess Seju couldn’t be the lover and say the things that Sumin wanted because she’s from a family devoid of love. Sungji and Seju are polar opposites, in which Sungji must have been raised to be a cleric and forgive people and teach people about love, while Seju as shown was from a very toxic family who verbally abused and neglected her. So Seju might not have known exactly what to do in that situation either because she wasn’t brought up to say the best things I guess. Sumin is also an opposite to Seju totally because Sumin actually does admit her faults and admits that she is wrong. And she does show those traits throughout the series. She is a person capable of accepting consequences, while Seju is a person who seems to want to be bitter about them. With Sungji though, she develops that positive side even more, so Sungji is the right person for her.
I think everyone is well aware that Seju is hurt because of her family issues, but she’s the one who is at fault for hurting Sumin because unfortunately, she was already too late.
Bruh wtf? Am I the only one who thought this was messed up?
That Youko chick first confesses to our fluffy portag in middleschool but then deflects her own comment by using her BS "But we're both girls" jutsu then she meets the fluffy in present time and is like "yo sup gimme relationship advice bro, haven't seen you in years but whatevs, lemme braid your frecken hair man"
And SHE'S INTO THE male but not really male, female version of the protag???? Really????? That's such a crappy thing to do!?? And our protag is just like "meh whatevs". Am I missing something?
Omg I rofled out loud at this comment xD Yea at first I thought it was kind of insulting to Yae too, but in the recent chapters Youko realizes she was kind of wrong to say what she did to Yae and apologizes. I guess teenagers get confused about their sexuality because they don’t really grow up being educated about homosexuality.
But yeah lol I agree that it was sort of weird to jump into a relationship talk after years of meeting a former friend xD
That was some big downgrade. Did previous series and 1 year of dating not happen? Why the first chapter is about "you will surely get a boyfriend" and "but we are both girls"? That was pretty disappointing for first chapter of sequel.
Exactly, idk why all this boy talk is suddenly happening. But to be fair, she has written so many stories along the way and just finished a big anime project with Kunihiko Ikuhara a couple years back, so she might have forgotten where exactly in this story she left off in.
You just shattered my heart into a million pieces. I suppose Sungji is not that bad...guess I will continue reading...at least I am prepared for tragedy now I guess :-(
I'm sorry for kinda ruining your reading experience haha :P But yes, I definitely recommend continuing reading the manhwa. Even though people hate it calling it only "cheap sex manga" it portrays the characters and their emotions brilliantly. And there is a level of subtlety that makes it even more interesting. One of my favorite manhwas for sure.
Btw, unrelated, but have you read "The Love Doctor"? If you have, I'd like to know your opinion about it, since both have kind of similar settings (Young girlxAdult woman, High-school-sweethearts-love-triangle)