Well, that was dumb. The explanation for the curse doesn't really make sense (Why did it hit Natsuki and not Ai? Why would suicide trigger it? Why is it hitting people she's met once and not classmates?), and as a study of murderers it falls apart pretty badly by the end (No one acts like Aoya, and Tokiko is an iffy take on psychopathy)

Most interesting as a look into the author's growth; it has similar themes to Satsuki, but goes about much of the execution in almost the exact opposite way:

• Walk's pacing is absolute shit past the first volume -> Satsuki is super episodic
• Walk spends much of it's time pretending that a serial killer is somehow a viable explanation for what we saw -> Liar Satsuki Can See Death
• Tokiko is alien and unpleasant -> Satsuki is still kinda alien, but fun and has a more socially-acceptable moral code
• Walk has too many characters, bogging the whole thing down -> Satstuki's supporting cast just sort of disappears when they're not involved in a story

I kinda love how you just completely missed the point, didn’t understand the (admittedly convoluted) philosophy and went straight to hate bashing it.

Cool, you like Liar better, but it’s a different story built around conflicting moral codes. As well as the morality of life, does everyone deserve to live? Is killing acceptable?
Walk is an exploration of the meaning of life and death. What constitutes living? What does it mean to be alive? Tokiko isn’t supposed to be “acceptable”, she’s meant to invoke discomfort, to be “alien” “different” “unnatural”. An “uncanny valley between life and death”.

The pacing is also entirely different for a reason, Liar is action, and a fairly traditional hero protagonist against a “evil” antagonist (and then very evil). Whereas Walk is more inducing the same feelings of dread, paranoia and suspicion the characters feel.
-edited to break up the wall of text and make it easier to read (thanks mobile XP)

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This comment section is hellish, insightful, supportive and informative all at the same time. Glad to see more trans stuff, I really do love the story. This and “The Bride was a Boy”, really helped me figure stuff out so yay.

I read the light novels. Well, the ones that are translated in any case. I kind of think that the characters are super shallow, and this is mostly a smut story.

I also think that Aya have this rapey vibe from start to finish. I mean she keeps coming up with these new sexual things, public sex, tying Marika up, making a sex-tape, and every time Marika protests and express her displeasure. But then it always goes in the direction that she secretly wants these things. But in a normal relationship I would call that coercion and gaslighting. At one point she even says that she does not want to make a sex-tape, but adds if it is for you (Aya), I suppose it is okay. That should be the clue for most people to stop. I suppose to the story is fine for the smut, but the love between these girls have some very unhealthy elements.

Why do people always take non-standard kink as “rapey”?

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PSA: The idea that corsets could be so tight you would have trouble breathing is a myth.

Then why haven't they gotten back in fashion?

Cause they’re a lot of work. And if you over tightened it it can do actual damage, including damaging your spine. Basically people took it too far, hurt themselves or others and the corset took the rap.

I'm not too sure what the point of the backstory is, since it sure doesn't make them sympathetic. I wouldn't reject a plot where traumatized kids with superpowers have decided to take revenge through violence and we're expected to empathize with them, but after showing that they actually find killing people fun in chapter 51, I don't think that was the purpose.

Maybe it's just to show that even though they like killing, this didn't come out of nowhere and they had reasons to turn out like this? That addition would make sense, I guess.

I just hope I'm not wrong. If this all turn out into a "they were victims first, let's support them and just forget about how happy they were about killing before", I'd find this pretty annoying.

I don’t think Kai actually enjoys it, he just gets a rush from being in the “right”, and the vice-prez acts as a source of positive reinforcement. The vice-prez does seem to genuinely like to see people she doesn’t like be hurt or worse, at the start of the flashback it’s even shown she would like to murder and dismember her bullies (which is NOT to say thoughts of revenge or fantasies of turning the situation around on your abuser are unhealthy, cause they’re not, it’s a coping mechanism. However it seems as though the Vice President finds genuine pleasure in that fantasy rather than a release.)

I'm not too sure what the point of the backstory is, since it sure doesn't make them sympathetic. I wouldn't reject a plot where traumatized kids with superpowers have decided to take revenge through violence and we're expected to empathize with them, but after showing that they actually find killing people fun in chapter 51, I don't think that was the purpose.

Maybe it's just to show that even though they like killing, this didn't come out of nowhere and they had reasons to turn out like this? That addition would make sense, I guess.

I just hope I'm not wrong. If this all turn out into a "they were victims first, let's support them and just forget about how happy they were about killing before", I'd find this pretty annoying.

I don’t think Kai actually enjoys it, he just gets a rush from being in the “right”, and the vice-prez acts as a source of positive reinforcement. The vice-prez does seem to genuinely like to see people she doesn’t like be hurt or worse, at the start of the flashback it’s even shown she would like to murder and dismember her bullies (which is NOT to say thoughts of revenge or fantasies of turning the situation around on your abuser are unhealthy, cause they’re not, it’s a coping mechanism. However it seems as though the Vice President finds genuine pleasure in that fantasy rather than a release.)

I wonder why the teacher was also involved with that bully. Kids bully each other because they're stupid, but why the teacher too?

Because they get a rush of power from it, some of the most vicious bullying I experienced in school was at the hands of teachers. They feel powerless so they take it out on those they have power over.

Tinfoil theory: president is gonna kill the vp for getting overzealous and thus "evil", or he was leading her along the entire time because he's a psycho.

He even kinda looks like walk to deaths serial killer.

Yeah the author has a real thing for Evil masquerading as Righteous. Which is true, extreme justice or righteousness often has the same outcome as what it purports to fight.

I still maintain my stance that only the death of the president is going to stop him, and that killing him or noticing that he is in danger and doing nothing is the morally correct thing to do. Normally I am 100% against the death penalty, but since there is no way to prove he is responsible, he can't be locked up.

I’m usually so against this, but yeah. Someone get Bus Kun on the phone and run this guy over. Then back the bus up and do it again.

Naah, I’d rather he get to watch all his ideals unravel, be revealed as the hypocrite he is and have to live with the knowledge he set up and killed a victim (the type of person he’s allegedly trying to save) for the rest of his life.

The Vice President is a lot more terrifying to me, I think she’s legitimately has the makings of a serial killer and is living out her desires through the president, because she believes it’s a fool proof means of murder/not getting caught. I:E she’s the serial killer, the president is just her weapon. Though she probably has some sort of delusional belief that he’s divine or something.

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Man I just wanted to see if anyone talked abt whether or not the pipe thing is actually true...

Yeah, kinda just wanted to see people rag on psycho prez and/or discuss the potential deaths and if they actually matched up. Really didn’t expect to be involved in a discussion of why killing kids is wrong…..

sure his method is merciless, but why let the Bully bully more people, it's like talking to serial killer and send them to jail for 5 years and releases him, guess what? Serial killer kills more people and this time it's hard to catch him, what a perfect world.
Why am I comparing Bully with Serial Killer? Both lacking care of others, they just do it for their enjoyment, they don't care about other.

What is this? Injustice: Gods Among Us? lmao

What's your point?

Cause one of the major points of that story is that if we lower ourselves to the same standards as the ones we’re fighting we inevitably become them. Superman literally starts killing people because joker blew up metropolis and the original story ends with superman trying to destroy metropolis to have his way.

Also side note, a bully and a serial killer are in no way comparable, more often than not a bully is the victim of even greater abuse either at home or somewhere else. And the biggest difference is that a bully is usually a child and when you are arguing for the death of a CHILD because they made bad choices you should really take a step back and think about your argument.

Do I even said "Dictatorship good"? No, I said those bully and killer is lacking care to others.

Are you saying me siding with Prez indicate me supporting serial killer? No, he's not, if he is, why didn't he killed those who breaks the law because "you have to follow the rules" strict rule.

Of course child bully would get free jail card, oh no, the child just traumatized someone, the victim don't want to go to school because they're scare, what's next? Oh, the bully made them suicidal, what's next? The bully made them sociopath, next part, the bully made them wants to kill them. The victim parent's have a hard time to conduct their child with how much pressure the bully put the victim on.

Wait, the bully is also victim, so their mindset is "I will ruin someone else life because my life is shit" are you serious? Isn't that proof my point that they're terrible people too?

And did you think that I am going to kill more people if one guy commit heinous crime? That's a big fat NO, if I am a vigilante, I'm not those edgy kill first then talk. I do some research and if I found out they're not the one I thought, I let them free. I'm not gonna go to innocent bystander and be like "Fuck you" and kill them immediately.

I compare bully and serial killer due to them lacking care for others, how could anyone don't get this seriously? It's clear as the light during morning were presented.

A serial killer is simply someone who kills three or more people, by definition the prez is not yet a serial killer. However that is only because Satsuki stopped his plots, ergo he definitely fits the psychological state to be a serial killer (in his case a uncompromising view of right and wrong that enables him to kill without remorse).
As for the dictatorship comment, I never accused you of supporting dictatorships, I simply pointed out that a major theme of the Injustice story is that we cannot act like monsters in order to stop them. That simply creates more monsters and more pain.
Finally on the subject of bullies and their so called “free pass”, it’s just not a free pass. When I say that a bully is often the victim of even greater abuse, it means bullying is often a cry for help. A bully should be given counselling and a look should be taken into why they bully, we should treat the root causes before punishing the symptoms. The majority of bullies aren’t doing it because they enjoy it, but because they have no other avenue to express their pain and suffering.

sure his method is merciless, but why let the Bully bully more people, it's like talking to serial killer and send them to jail for 5 years and releases him, guess what? Serial killer kills more people and this time it's hard to catch him, what a perfect world.
Why am I comparing Bully with Serial Killer? Both lacking care of others, they just do it for their enjoyment, they don't care about other.

What is this? Injustice: Gods Among Us? lmao

What's your point?

Cause one of the major points of that story is that if we lower ourselves to the same standards as the ones we’re fighting we inevitably become them. Superman literally starts killing people because joker blew up metropolis and the original story ends with superman trying to destroy metropolis to have his way.

Also side note, a bully and a serial killer are in no way comparable, more often than not a bully is the victim of even greater abuse either at home or somewhere else. And the biggest difference is that a bully is usually a child and when you are arguing for the death of a CHILD because they made bad choices you should really take a step back and think about your argument.

Btw, between Satuski and Prez, Id take prez side. But both are extremes, making this argument a bit unreasonable.
Id take his side simply because his moral code has more potential.

I side more with Satsuki, a life is a life. No matter how vile a person is they have a right to live and murdering them in cold blood (either via Jigsaw style traps or execution) makes us just as bad or even potentially worse as we’re inflicting the same thing or worse onto someone as a twisted punishment.
And because I know someone will point this out (not you specifically, but there are always people who try) self-defence is acceptable because you are actively defending yourself from a hostile aggressor(s), whereas what the school president is doing is cold blooded murder in retaliation to a lesser crime.
Basically the Victorian ethos of “men are not hanged for stealing horses, but so that horses may not be stolen”. I:E let’s inflict cruelty on those we don’t understand or wish to so they’ll obey/leave us alone.

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I honestly think the best part of this 2-shot (besides happy end) was the dude apologizing for accidentally spreading the rumor..

Yeah that was great and quite unusual.

If it was really accidental, why is it unusual? Most decent people usually apologize for their mistakes, especially when the mistakes are quite that big.

Probably because usually the guys either a jerk or they just gloss over it completely and it never comes up again. So either way no apology.

I just want to point out that

In essence, A-Chan is agreeing to an arranged marriage with Koharu's father for the sake of Koharu and their unborn children, at the request of her future lover. Remember, this is a culture where arranged marriages are still a thing, they are just usually arranged by the parents, not your childhood friend whom you are going to move in with once your husband dies in an accident.

Just because it's common practice, it doesn't make bad thing any less bad. I'd even say it being arranged by your childhood friend and future lover makes it worse in fact

Just gonna say Rin does realize A-Chan loves the guy and her daughters. They chose a route where they can all be happy in the end, it’s not really an arranged marriage.

Aaaaah I loved this. Sweet and bitter and leaves you happy.

What's interesting is that while the point of view of the jealous sister makes this seem quite a bit darker, what we actually see of the onee-loli relationship is much more innocent than the other more realistic seeming works of Itou we've had lately, only going as far as some pretty chaste kisses.

Except you know the hickey on the back of the girls neck that makes the protagonist almost snap. It’s pretty much implied that they went way farther than just “chaste” kisses.

Anyone know what happened?

Ok so I just did a quick re-read of the entirety up to ch29. And all the people saying this is some weird karmic payback really need to stop. Nanase straight up confessed in chapter 1 and Momo never replied. Momo’s reaction to Nanase’s harassment is embarrassed but not uncomfortable and the first time she stays over at Nanase’s house she’s disappointed that nothing happened, it’s pretty clear their feelings are mutual but Momo never moves forward. As for Nanase and the people saying she’s as bad as Mary, Nanase literally makes a point of saying after she gets frustrated at he second sleepover that she wants to make Momo feel good and embarrassed with her consent!.
Basically Mary is a messed up sexual predator who blackmailed and tried to r*pe Nanase, Nanase is an S who’s trying to get Momo to acknowledge her feelings and loves to tease her (but has a f*cking limit), and Momo is typical romance DENSE when it comes to the line between friendship and love.

MUL discussion yesterday: "But is it okay to hope for a romantic outcome between the 17.5 year old and the under 30?"

Then I discover this. Different world!

What’s MUL?

My Unrequited Love

Oh yeah I’ve been reading that. Sorry kind of an idiot with abbreviations.

3 years is a long time already to mourn ! you're being a bit selfish her girl...

Are you seriously calling a child selfish for not getting over their mother’s death? That’s messed up...

MUL discussion yesterday: "But is it okay to hope for a romantic outcome between the 17.5 year old and the under 30?"

Then I discover this. Different world!

What’s MUL?

I'm pretty sure the disturbing part is on purpose. It's funny because it's messed up.

I think Itou Hachi has a lot of disturbing stories they aren't telling, at least not yet. Even the fluffy stuff always seems to have some unanswered questions leading to nasty conclusions. Well, compared to being kept (and possibly raped) by your parent's killer, I think this story is hardly the most disturbing...

Wait... what?

I didn't even read it. Just flipped through it. I was like "okay".

Honestly, I don't know what is the target readership.

My guess is this one's more aimed at hetero males?

Mmm, I don’t think so, there’d be more explicit and longer scenes. It honestly seems like it’s trying to appeal to everyone but doesn’t know what anyone wants so it’s just Throwing everything at wall.

Ok dumb question why is every time in manga/anime when the popular student starts hanging out or going out with someone who is average person, they bully said person?

Conflict? Cliche? Based on reality? High school girls be mean.