Idk, they had perfect chemistry for me. And being close and knowing each other for very long time, means they have a very good understanding of each other and are not very likely to suddenly get bored of each other.

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Relevant

I have some issues with it (like some episodes are just plain boring or when episode doesn't focus on girls world is incomprehensible without playing games), but I agree there's some very gay stuff there. I'm not one to get hang on line between subtext and "actual" yuri and demand confirmation, but damn episode 7 was such disappointment. They had perfect set up to confirm it and make it canon, but then went with some pretty stupid joke instead. Sure, especially with that lewd ending, only people in huge denial can say there's nothing going on between girls, but still such a wasted opportunity, for series that supposedly don't give a fuck about self-insert otakus and waifus and can confirm whatever they want.

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schuyguy posted:

There's one more chapter out in Japan right now (which we're working on now). For some reason there was no chapter released for Galette 8 or 9, but presumably chapter 6 will come out with Galette 10, in May.

Didn't she went on hiatus or something? There was interview with her in Galette newspaper where she talked about it.

Author never finished it and it ends nowhere.

"Nope, unfortunately this one is concluded as of Chapter 8. Basically the girl finds out at one point the MC used to be a boy. MC admits in the last chapter however, that she's okay with staying a girl. Tries to hit on the main girl and says that while her mannerisms and identity have been feeling more and more feminine lately, her love of the main girl has only grown stronger, but gets stopped at the Friend Yard Line at that point. Last scene is the Kitsune girl telling the MC that since she's into girls and she knows that the MC used to be a boy, maybe she subconsciously sees him as a boy then, which will make trying to go out with her harder.

So basically the ending is inconclusive, but leaning towards them getting together... eventually. Although its implied the MC doesn't really care to return to being a boy even if they do get her to fall in love."

She died from mental shock of going through puberty. She complained her father didn't see the real her. She didn't want to grow up. She changed her name from masculine one, to feminine one. She was happy to become zombie, because she won't ever change this way. Saki said "whatever [she] has something attached or not, it doesn't matter" referring to penis. Both original japanese and crunchyroll translation were equally explicit about it. Only people who don't want to believe it and/or deny it, are transphobic people.

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@benja If you really didn't want to get into trouble, you should have refrained from saying transphobic shit.

Blastaar posted:

(both Kaoru and Reiichi love each other and are happily married) making it requited wouldn't be easy and simple though, which as I said before, I felt like was the biggest strength of exploring this premise.

That first part is what I never can understand when people say it

I said that's what I thought the story will be like. As you said, we quickly learned that's not the case.

On actual topic. Here is amazing in dept analyze of everything wrong with RWBY. I didn't even notice half of that stuff when watching it (disclaimer: I only watched first 2 seasons, but I still had some issues with them myself). Sure there might be few things I disagree with, but compare to so many well reasoned and explained points, it really is irrelevant.

Sorry had to

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Blastaar posted:

I personally don’t think there’s anything inherently more interesting or desirable between a story about an unrequited love that ends up being requited and one that stays unrequited.

Oh I didn't mean to imply unrequited love that stays unrequited is always better than one that reaches. I meant in this particular premise, I felt like it would make for both the stronger story and more unique take on it.

When I started reading this I took the title as potentially meaning either “My Love, Which is Unrequited At the Start But May End Up Being Requited,” OR “My Love Which is Never Requited.”

I'll admit I really got fixated on the "unrequited" part and assumed it means it'll stay this way, especially considering it's the title (which I didn't know was loose translation and now it annoys me) and completely forgot there's no real reason things can't change over the course of story and said unrequited love can't end up being requited. With the setting I thought this manga will have though (both Kaoru and Reiichi love each other and are happily married) making it requited wouldn't be easy and simple though, which as I said before, I felt like was the biggest strength of exploring this premise.

matsuri_wins posted:

You are right, Kodama is in fact the answer to all your desires lol Go read NTR. (which is my favourite manga on this site and is seriously underrated in my opinion, so am saying this non-ironically)

I actually don't understand people's hate for Kodama. Sure her stories are hit or miss for me, but what I really like about her is that she explores scenarios other writers don't even dare to touch and I like having that kind of variety for yuri. There are sad stories, there are happy stories and then there are Kodama's stories, which are somewhat in between. In fact I'd say she's really good at writing more complex and deep characters. Anyway, the thing is I'm very picky about my drama, I only like very specific kinds and this specific premise catch my attention as something I can mentality prepare for (love won't be requited) and might give me the specific drama I was in the mood for. I wasn't prepared for all the drama of other characters and then the premise that I thought this manga will explore turned out to not exist.

Why is it worrying?

Because it seemed like your life was such big mess, you are desperate for any yuri story you can get your hands on, even if the chance of it ending in yuri seemed very slim. Well I'm glad I was mistaken then.

Besides Yuri Hime has that rule of no het endings. Kaoru ending up with Reiichi is a very het ending. Why would you ever think this is going to end up with Kaoru NOT being head over heels over Uta?

Because I don't pay any attention to what magazine given manga is published it and what rules it has (had no idea there are some rules). It done me more good than bad, since I'm not setting my expectations based on it and just enjoy the story for what it is (when I'm not already reading it with some expectations from the get go). In fact way too many people pay too much attention to magazines and decides whatever series is even worth reading based on it. I had plenty people saying some subtext series is trash/won't go anywhere simply based on the magazine it is published in.

That's the same reason I don't really base my expectations based on the author. So many people gave shit Watashiya Kaworu for how Kodomo no Jikan handled it's lesbian character and concluded every other manga ever made by them can't possibly deliver on yuri front (because as we know, authors never change or aren't influenced by outside sources like, publisher and/or editorial) so when there were hints and eventually confirmation of lesbian character in Joou-Sama no Eshi everyone collectively cried that it's next lesbian character purely for fanservice and it won't go anywhere or won't be ever taken seriously. They must felt really stupid when manga ended with yuri ending. And not only that, she was handled very well and her feelings were never made fun off or made into a joke. I did like manga for it's humor regardless of that inclusion, so the fact it had such positive surprise was more of a cherry on the top for me and made me glad for sticking to reading it.

I'm seriously feeling less and less confident about discussing anything about this story though, because it was ages since I read first chapters, so I'm not remembering a lot of details and I really am not invested in it anymore, to even bother re-reading it. I'm checking posts out of habit and I'm glancing over chapters when people mention something interesting (like Kaoru and Uta finally having a conversation about Uta's feelings on screen), but at this point I probably should just stop.

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Scarlet128 posted:

I just edited my comment since I skipped my friend's translation and implications of Yuu's line fully. Please read it if you can.

Don't worry I saw edit. I almost missed it though.

Scarlet128 posted:

This なれる is potential. This is a rhetorical question which actually implies "Sempai is the only person I can fall in love with." 誰が好き on its own is ambiguous ("who likes" vs "who does someone like"), but in this case it means "who do I like".

Ok, you convinced me with that. I am aware なれる is a potential form, but I didn't considered it from angle of rhetorical question. I was thinking of it like "someone else falling for me (in the future)" rather than "what is the potential for someone else falling for me (in general)". One of main issues with japanese is that there is a lot of ways you can interpret sentence depending on context and some structures can have few vastly different meanings, so recognizing which one is correct, can be very tricky.

Nya-chan posted:

I agree that "いやだ" is typically a interjection in Japanese, meaning "No way!', "I don't want that!". A clear rejection of what was said just before. It's a sentence in itself.

True except, it can also work as a end of the sentence and previous one didn't have a definite ending, so it could just as easily be part of it.

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Scarlet128 posted:

Rewatching the anime, I realised both 4s and Seven Seas mistranslated a line Yuu said in chapter 10 when Touko was leaving Yuu behind, Yuu thought that Touko wouldn't leave her. Basically both translations put it like "if i cant be with her i dont want anyone to love me" (or i dont want to fall in love with anyone). While Asenshi and Hidive got it right: some flavor added, but it was actually "if i cant be with senpai, who can teach me what is love?" Basically "if not her, who else do I have to love?" Asked someone who knows japanese and she said asenshi's was right.

No, they didn't. The sentence both in anime and manga is: "先輩と一緒にいられないなら　わたしに誰か好きになれるのいやだ” Which directly translates to "If Senapi and me can't be together, then I don't want someone falling in love with me."

Yuu simply loves Touko, or is attached to her, at this point so much, she can't even imagine being with anyone else.

Anime often changes or omits lines or even given them to different characters, but they didn't do this in this case.

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Kotone's story was sad and all, but it doesn't excuse her from pushing her own ideas and insecurities on Mogu, because she was hurt and assuming Mogu is "weird" like her, so Mogu will never find anyone as well, so only option for them is to settle for each other, since they're better off like that. All under the disguise of pretending to know better what is best for Mogu, while completely ignoring Mogu's identity and their own desires. She couldn't even not see Mogu as "just another guy" and reacted with disgust, while at the same time forcing them to "be a girl" so she can feel safe and secure with them. All she did for Mogu was self-serving and focused only on making her life better. Surly the best relationship for Mogu.

Gudetamago posted:

^ I dunno why you're getting hung up over a side couple that will just be developed in the background and never take center stage. It was kinda obvious that they would be paired up from ch 27 as well as hints from ch 30 and Nakatani anthology commentary page. I'm glad this is how she approached it actually, just casually referencing their possible growing relationship in the background instead of dedicating any major focus on them. I hope it stays that way because who cares about those two really. it's ok that you don't like Doujima or the idea of him and Akari together, but meh, I wouldn't get too worked up over those two's relevancy.

Maybe because everyone praises this manga as being subversive and really well written. So you can't criticize parts of the story, if they are not relevant and/or don't play major role? Then why it's in the story in the first place if it's pointless? It isn't about them being relevant or not, but idea itself.

Autumn posted:

As in I was joking since you split it into subtext and actual yuri, implying subtext is not actual yuri. I don't read it so I got no clue.

Lol subtext is actual yuri? Are you high or something? xD

If it is true subtext, as in it just isn't confirmed, but it's evidently there, then yes, it is actual yuri.

You made entire thread dedicated to pointing out subtext in anime, calling it yuri and now you want to say subtext isn't yuri?

Heavensrun posted:

It's clear the main focus and story was supposed to be about Uta's love toward Kaoru. Hence even the official english title focuses only on that. Sadly that is not the manga we got.

As far as I know, this hasn't been picked up for western publication, so there -isn't- an official english title. The "Secret Crush On My Sister" we see in various places is a subtitle.

As h3x said, it's official english title. It just was made by japanese publisher instead of english one when translating it. It's pretty common for japanese to translated titles into english themselves. Like "Shingeki no Kyojin" was translated into "Attack on Titan" (which is a incorrect translation of title) or "Otomodachi kara Hajimemashou" to "Let's Begin from Friends". So even if there is no official english translation/release, it's still a official english title and in case someone picks rights for it, they'll use it.

Risako. (Not being snarky, just pointing that out, I messed it up myself awhile back)

I didn't really remember her name, but I think I saw someone writing Ritsuko. Or I just messed it up.

I doubt it'll be as neat and tidy as you make it out to be, either, but we'll see.

Well I didn't get into detail so obviously. I was just summarizing it.

But how is that contrived? a little less than a quarter of men admit to having cheated on their wives. That's one in four!

You see. It is called expectations. From title and description of the story I thought I was getting myself into completely different thing than plot ultimately evolved into. I thought it will be story about Uta's angst, not everyone's and their mother's angst. You're not the first to point out there were subtle hints about Reiichi possibly cheating. But most people (definitely me) wanted to believe Kaoru and Reiichi are actually happy together. Because if they are then Uta's feeling would be truly hopeless and there would be nothing she can do about them other than deal with them or try to forgot. She could consider confessing, but what it would achieve? There is no way Kaoru would return her feelings. And trying to destroy her happy marriage would be the last thing on Uta's mind. That is some very powerful source of drama and angst. I wanted to follow Uta's struggle and see how she'll deal with it.

Making Reiichi not really loving Kaoru and even cheating on her cheapens all of that. It's very easy to write a story where husband cheats on wife, so she feels betrayed and goes for MC instead. There is not many where situation is actually hopeless for MC. Reiichi became the definite bad guy, so we don't feel bad about prospect of Kaoru leaving him anymore. There's no longer any ambiguity or stakes. It's pretty straightforward and black and white. The weight of the story is just not the same anymore. Suddenly Uta's love is no longer so out of reach. But sure, you can still write story like that and make it good. There is more issues though. There was idea of Kaoru being bi and having some past lesbian relationship, but nobody really delved too deep into it, there wasn't enough evidence and good way to fit it into story. More relevantly, people seriously suggested that Kaoru was subconsciously in love with Uta all along and she was pursuing her together with Reiichi. To be precise she values both of them equally and sees them as indistinguishable. She might even pursue Reiichi only to be part of family with him in order to be close to Uta, without even realizing it. And there are hints for that as well. Kaoru used to be very touchy feely with Uta before her personality changed and in general tries to be close with her. There were even people suggesting reversal. Reiichi actually marring Kaoru so he can secretly get her and Uta together and when both of them realize their true feelings for each other, he will play the "bad husband" role, giving Kaoru a reason to divorce him and stop relying on him, so she can be with Uta who can truly support her.

Of course at the time, I said both of those ideas are ridiculous and reaching, but honestly, at this point, I'm starting to think that is how this story will actually end. When Uta finally confessed, I wanted to say based on Kaoru's reaction, there is no way she was actually totally secretly in love with Uta without realizing it, considering how foreign the concept of not only Uta loving her, but 2 girls loving each other in general is to her. But then I thought that someone is totally going to argue "that's the point", "she doesn't realize she's secretly gay for her", "her body and mind are at odds", "people are complex, hypocritical creatures, so her being taken aback by idea consciously and being all in subconsciously, make perfect sense!" and stuff like that. So I was like, fuck it, all of this is true. Kaoru always wanted to bang Uta. Reiichi always noticed Kaoru's feelings for Uta and now Uta's feelings for Kaoru. Once Kaoru stop denying reality and consider Uta's confession seriously, she'll realize she actually wants to be with her. Then when she'll go to confront Reiichi about cheating and wanting to divorce, he'll play his bad husband act till the end, sacrificing his good image for yuri their sake. Or applaud them for finally getting together, say keikaku doori, give them his seal of approval and then move out to live with Risako as fast as possible, if we want to go with additional comedy bit. And story even goes out of it's way to make it a better solution. It's pretty clear Reiichi doesn't love Kaoru and is only with her out of some guilt/pity, so he's miserable too. But there's some girl he likes/waits for him, so it looks like story is even trying to set up a way to redeem him. After all if he did it all for Kaoru x Uta, then he's secretly a good guy. And we don't need to feel bad for him being painted as evil and left alone. He has his own girlfriend, he actually loves. So win:win for everyone.

Yes, this manga broke me in some way.

I went into this story with completely different expectations and it did start very strong, but then the story itself was steadily, but surly taking away all the elements that made this premise engaging and interesting to follow in order to make the titular love more and more plausible to reach and even made it seems like only reasonable option for how this story can end.

Surely a girl falling in love with her sister-in-law in the first place is way more contrived than a guy cheating with his ex girlfriend.

I don't see how falling for sister-in-law is contrived though. Kaoru spend a lot time with Uta since she was young and showed her plenty of affection and attention, so I don't see why Uta couldn't develop feelings for her.

Heavensrun posted:
. . . Sorry, you know I respect you, B, but I'm just not seeing it. They're just different clothes. The art between those two pages is indistinguishable to me. At best, maybe the linework has gotten a bit heavier, but styles change over time.

I'm not going to make case for entire art, but me and most people commented specifically about character's proportions. I'm not invested enough to go and look for examples though. Sowwy.

all in all the shift in wardrobe actually feels more like attention to detail to me.

For japanese paying attention to seasons and cloths is common thing, so I wouldn't praise it too much. Finding manga that actually doesn't pay attention to way characters are dressed is actually harder to do.

I suspect you guys are letting your frustration with the story progression color your perception of the art.

For me quality of art and quality of story are 2 separate thing. In fact, I'm sucker for good art, so I can appreciate good art, even if story is mediocre. I'm just telling how I see it. In last chapters there were few panels with very questionable proportions.

matsuri_wins posted:

I'm also still annoyed at this. I thought I will get a story about trying to forget about your love/learning to deal with it. Instead we are clearly building for yuri ending

What's the problem with yuri ending? If you want unrequited loves that never become requited, check real life lol

And here goes the greatest no-argument ever. I understand most people read fiction for escapism and fluff. I'm pretty much the same way too. But that is not a reason to project your feelings on everyone else. Usually I want to read happy stories, but sometimes I'm in the mood for some drama or angst. Being able to experiencing different things and emotions is like the entire point of the media. Reading happy stories is nice, but only reading happy stories sooner or later gets boring, no matter how good they are. Some just like having options and variety. Some even specifically want to read stories with bad endings and uncomfortable stuff, because they enjoy them. Or because they actually didn't experience it and want to get a glimpse in safe environment. So they want to have stories to read too. And even authors have different preferences cough Kodama cough, so not everyone will write happy stories. You can't expect every author ever to cater to your specific personal taste. I wish every manga ever made was made specifically for me too. Especially exactly fitting the mood I currently have. But that's not possible and never will. Existence of those kind of stories doesn't make all the happy stories disappear. You can still read them. And not read unhappy ones for that matter.

There's no issue with yuri ending in and of itself. I just simply happened to be in mood for some angst and story about girl being in one-sided love with her brother's wife sounded like interesting concept and could provide some strong emotions to explore. And I went into it fully expecting love to not be returned, so I was prepared for bad ending. So when then manga went back on basically all the initial promise it showed, I felt betrayed. As a matter of fact, when I first heard about this manga, I decided to not read it specifically because "it sounded way too angsty and not my kind of thing".

Seriously, I get that you read stuff rooting for main ship to get together and doesn't care about drama, as long as they end up together. But the fact you consciously started reading manga called "My Unrequited Love" where MC is in love with her brother's wife and still wholeheartedly expected it to end in yuri, because according to you "only option for yuri manga is yuri ending", is seriously worrying. I guess for you quality of manga really doesn't matter if what decides whatever story is trash or not depends only on whatever girls become a couple or not.

Blastaar posted:

Maybe one could imagine a story that sets up a situation where a whole complex of internal and external circumstances are keeping the main couple apart, and the story reaches a point where no solution seems even remotely possible, and then suddenly whoosh, all the seemingly intractable obstacles are overcome, perhaps even in just a single page of silent panels so that readers aren’t even told how they’re overcome, and then there’s a glorious wedding scene of the main couple, in color, and there’s not even the slightest inkling of, for example, who’s going to take over the Aihara school.

I feel if someone had told that story, it would become incredibly popular and held as yuri masterpiece by many.

There is so many great yuri and we barely have published like 7 titles. But because this trash is so popular, we're getting it published this year from all other possible titles. Just why? I guess we did get Bloom Into You as well, but still...

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h3x posted:

^That's the official english tiitle of this manga. Blame Yuri Hime for that.

It's clear the main focus and story was supposed to be about Uta's love toward Kaoru. Hence even the official english title focuses only on that. Sadly that is not the manga we got.

Also yes I already pointed out that the "My Unrequited Love" can apply to all characters in the story in one of my previous posts, but considering even original title talks rather about reaching the string, most likely string of fate, as in "even if this love is not fated to be", it's clearly supposed to be about Uta's feeling for Kaoru. I suppose you can still stretch it that Kaoru's feelings for Reiichi also didn't reach/wasn't fated etc. so make what you want out of it.

Dayominator posted:

Also I still think the story cheaped out with the whole cheating husband.. literally the most generic and weak plot point in any unrequited romance series. but at least the Happy!End seems more likely

I'm also still annoyed at this. I thought I will get a story about trying to forget about your love/learning to deal with it. Instead we are clearly building for yuri ending with some contrived bs. Which I hate (I can't believe this manga made me write it). The whole point of the cheating was to set up that things are not well between Kaoru and Reiichi so we won't feel bad when she and Uta will end up together. I'm telling you, it will end up with Reiichi telling Uta is better for Kaoru and he supports them and they should live together (solving the mom problem), while he will leave to live with Ritsuko.

Autumn posted:

It's actual subtext

As in it is one sided? Would not it be yuri if the feelings are mutual?

As in I was joking since you split it into subtext and actual yuri, implying subtext is not actual yuri. I don't read it so I got no clue.

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Heavensrun posted:

So I just went though the first 15 chapters and I gotta mention something: Why does character's upper body mass keeps doubling in height? Now that I noticed once (And in a serious scene no less) I'm now just keeping a eye out for it.

I'd need examples to tell what you're seeing, but the art in this series is pretty solid and consistent?

Look over manga again paying close attention to earlier and newest chapters. Only consistent thing is characters anatomy getting more and more wrong with latest chapters.

Autumn posted:

Joshi Kausei Ch 67:
[img]https://i.imgur.com/gAiZyeK.jpg[/img]
It has subtext or actual yuri? I just started it so don't know the extent of it!

It's actual subtext

benja posted:

there´s 40 raw chapters of hanebadoo online yet there´s only 12 chapters translated

39 chapters of hanebado are translated. Not sure what you're talking about.

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Claris posted:

The classic tsundere starts out hostile and shows their sweet side over time. The modern tsundere switches back and forth between sweet and hostile. Reiko is neither of those things.

She playing hard to get, that's tsundere.

Unless, gasp, she really has no interest so she is honest when refusing.

Bellalizz posted:

To the ones that saying “he cheated! How is she still with him”... I rememebr she ended in the hospital and she has no memory of what occurred so = she has no clue.

She lied about her memory to avoid talking about it. She knew it all the time and later even wanted to confront Reiichi about it, but got interrupted and he used that opportunity to run away as fast as he can. It's clear he at least hides something and didn't want her to find out.

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