The Yuri bait couple

Going for elementary school girls.... Yikes !

i will say as someone who haphazardly accepted my guy best friend's confession out of pressure(?) it is a super uncomfortable position. i really relate to eri. i understand shes not a good person but in the spur of the moment you can't really think about it rationally.

that being said im excited for fuyuki and senpai arc

Out of pressure ? If you were pressed to accept their confession you shouldn't go out with them, even when the pressure came from you. If they're really your friend they will understand you and back off and if don't they don't... they're not your friend. And you should distance yourself from them.

? Yeah I think they are saying it wasn't a reasonable decision. Social pressure is an extremely powerful kind of pressure, especially when you're younger, and pressure for a heterosexual normative relationship is anchored in society.
That's why even though Eri's not being a good friend to Fuyuki and Kyou, I can't say that she's just a bad person. I mean we are reading a manga by someone who does explore those complicated relationship aspects, let's be nuanced and go with the story that is being told instead of trying to optimise them by wanting all their decisions to be the most rational in that situation, something none of us always do.

She wasn't press to date Kyou, no one forced her to date Kyou. He confessed to her, she asked advice from Fuyuki, and she decided to go out with him. You can't put all the responsibility to the heteronormative society. At the end of the day, she is the one who decide with who she wants to go out with.
Okay, our society favors heterosexual relationships and discriminates other sexualities, people tend to pressure others to be in a couple and preferably with a person of the other sex, and yes women are likely to get stupid remarks like "why are you single ?", "When are you getting married ?", "When are you giving us grandchildren ?","This man would be perfect for you, I can arrange it for you" and yada yada... BUT at the end of the day, the choice is yours !
We are not talking about someone who's abducted, locked up or her family had made an arranged marriage.
So telling it's the heteronormative society that make her take stupid / irrational decisions is too much. You can't just hide all her mistakes behind that single argument.
Okay, social pressure can be heavy depending on people but accepting to do something out of pressure it's never a good idea.
Yeah, Eri is a fictional character who's going through complex feelings and no I'm nos asking to make her a "Mary-Sue" who never make any mistake. But unless Fuyuki, who also made some irrationals and stupids decisions, she's so unsympathetic, selfish and just not lovable at all. The way the author portray her never make me want to take her side or care about her. For me, she is just a selfish person.
And come one, not seeing any change from Fuyuki when she was dating numerous guys and when she literally tells her how her first time went... For a best friend, childhood friend perspective, she's not really good. We are talking about a normal Japanese girl, not some KGD/FBI or whatever agent trained to hide their emotions. They spend most of their time together, and not even once she notices something was odd ? Really !

i will say as someone who haphazardly accepted my guy best friend's confession out of pressure(?) it is a super uncomfortable position. i really relate to eri. i understand shes not a good person but in the spur of the moment you can't really think about it rationally.

that being said im excited for fuyuki and senpai arc

Out of pressure ? If you were pressed to accept their confession you shouldn't go out with them, even when the pressure came from you. If they're really your friend they will understand you and back off and if don't they don't... they're not your friend. And you should distance yourself from them.

Yes, that's the way to go, Fuyuki. Forget about her and only think about your own happiness. I'm really hopping it's not just a fake relationship.
But really, Eri is such a bitch. Don't engage yourself in a relationship if you don't like the other person the same way they do. Wanting the status quo with Fuyuki tagging along with her while she goes on a date with her boyfriend. Next step would be telling her to grab the chandelier while they make out ? She's so egoist.
Now that Fuyuki is in a relationship, is she going to force herself in her relationship with Kyou even though she never cared about it since the beginning or will she still be a stupid friend and try to put an end the relationship Fuyuki has with her girlfriend ?
Yeah, I don't like her.

last edited at Jul 9, 2023 3:23AM

What an utterly delightful oneshot. Kumo Suzume did a great job of giving both Iyo and Subaru strong personalities in a limited number of pages, as well as demonstrating how both of them view stargazing -- and, eventually, each other -- as a haven from the stresses and isolation of everyday life.

Weird that Subaru assumed that Iyo would stop talking to her if she found out she was girl. I would say she would be more assured and happy to have another female friend to share her hobby.

I think there were a couple reasons for this. First, Subaru correctly guessed that Iyo thought she was a man and was likely worried that Iyo would feel lied to or deceived upon learning the truth (I wouldn't be surprised if this happened to her before). Second, Subaru was flirting with Iyo nonstop from the very beginning, and might've thought Iyo would feel disgusted if she learned it was a girl flirting with her. That's why when Iyo reacted well, Subaru was able to work up the courage to ask her out on a date.

Yeah, I didn't see it like that.

Weird that Subaru assumed that Iyo would stop talking to her if she found out she was girl. I would say she would be more assured and happy to have another female friend to share her hobby.
Putting that aside, it was a good read. No stupid drama, toxic boyfriend, member family forcing her to get marry or "but we are two girls, girls can't love each other".

UwU !

This is "Toxic relationship: The manga".

Uuuuummmmmm I am so confused with this end. I'm kinda happy for this ending but... Clearly, it would be better if they didn't end up together (the promise they made count as dating). We are talking about an adult falling in love with a preschooler. This is grooming ! Mai did all the talking and make her promise to wait for her. But as an adult, there is no way you can accept that ! The fact that the author draw Mai with a body of an adult really reduce all the creepy aspect of all this. Okay, it's not your typical manga with an older guy going for little girls. But changing the guy for a gal is not better.

Bro does not know what grooming is...

I take it, grooming wasn't the best word to describe her attitude. But you can't deny that having adults interacting with little girls, go out with them in their free time, buy them gifts, are not relate to them and never present their self to their parents (except Mai's mother who encounter Tae) is suspicious. We are talking about girls who not even in middle school... Like come on !

We are talking about an adult falling in love with a preschooler.

What exactly is "preschool" to you?

Elementary student if you prefer

Uuuuummmmmm I am so confused with this end. I'm kinda happy for this ending but... Clearly, it would be better if they didn't end up together (the promise they made count as dating). We are talking about an adult falling in love with a preschooler. This is grooming ! Mai did all the talking and make her promise to wait for her. But as an adult, there is no way you can accept that ! The fact that the author draw Mai with a body of an adult really reduce all the creepy aspect of all this. Okay, it's not your typical manga with an older guy going for little girls. But changing the guy for a gal is not better.
Also, the only child who acts like one in this manga is the best friend of Mai. All the other talk and act like adults. Or all the kids I encounter (including myself) were dumb as fuck.
And last point, I think it would so much impactful if at the last panel the author reverse the aspect of Mai and Tae (drawing Mai with an actual body of a little girl and Tae with a more mature body).

last edited at Jun 27, 2023 5:07PM

Some people are into rape fantasies and do in fact find them sexy. It's fine if it's not your thing, though I find it weird you chose to read this work despite the tags clearly indicating there would be rape in it.

Rape, sexy ? At what moment reducing someone to an object to please your pleasure is sexy. Rape is a violence you are doing to another person. If you found it sexy or exciting you should question yourself and seek help.

I didn't say anything about "deserve." Nobody deserves to be sexually assaulted. But that scene establishes both the tone for this manga (that is, that it will contain sexual assault and molestation) and context for Yoh's character (that she's arguably no better than Ren and she knows it).

Don't phrase like you did ! Saying that Yoh isn't "clean here" just imply that her being molested is just pure Karma.
She did it to her friend, so if someone did it to her, we shouldn't be sad for her because she's not better...

(Also let's not forget that Yoh sexually assaulted Misa in chapter 1, her hands aren't exactly clean here.)

And ? Since she assaulted her friend, she deserved to be assaulted too ? WTF
The two of them are in the wrong but unless Mr. Douchebag with a pretty face, she didn't blackmail her friend to force her to date her !
Clearly, the author doesn't know how to write a story with a credible drama without adding SA.

....this is sell as a Yuri manga ?
This belong to burnable trash and especially "Mr.asshole I treat women as object because I have a pretty face". She should have hit him at the second he forced a kiss. Also he's blackmailing her ! This dude is an abuse !
The aaaagnst, unrequited love, lesbian in the closet, childhood friends and my crush is heterosexual wasn't enough for the drama, now we have an abuser.
I'm not reading this.

Another ero-mangaka who don't see the problem of depicting a rape scene. They always resort to some shady way to force a character to have sex with another.
It's not romantic, not sexy and aside perpetuating the rape culture the only thing I feel in front of these scenes is awkwardness.

Jesus this girl really. "I want to hurt the people I like and they should be able to endure it if they want to be with me".

She should have slapped her really hard. Quitting her girlfriend just for a little crush.

When will this be published in English. I want a physical copy of it.

So toxic.

This is fuckin bullshit, from the beginning to the end.
Katsumi is such a bitch ! Toxic relationship or not, she clearly overused the kindness and love of Aki.
What she needs is not a new relationship but to learn why she always end up in a toxic relationship.
In this new relationship she's going to involves, Aki did all the hard work to make it possible. She's just a trophy that Aki won at the end.
And the magically turning gay at the end...please.

Oh My God. Finally, we have the last chapter. 2/3 different version of one work, really it wasn't necessary.
Thanks the translation team for doing this great work.

The chapter are so short. It's so frustrating

I don't understand why people make this kind of story with heavy subject and especially when it involves children. I can understand if it's about child abuse and when it's only use to make feel more empathy with the character going through that. But here it feels like the author is going going to only give use torture porn with children... They have to stop doing that

First and foremost, it's fictional. No real life person of any age was harmed, so the author can do anything and everything. Child abuse as backstory to invoke empathy is ok, but it's not the only possible usage, the author is crafting a story, if they finds a new way to use an element that fits the story, then it goes into the story, that's normal. Moreover there are technical aspects to it: Heavy subjects would be even more heavy when they are inflicted on the weak and naive/innocent characters like children, and there are plot lines that only work if the characters are children...

I believe the readership/audience has the freedom to choose whether to consume a work, while the authors have the total freedom to create whatever story they could think of and could express into a presentable form. If one reader finds a story to be distasteful, then they should drop it and read other stories. It's not like the existence of a weird story would delete the existence or limit the growth of other "good" stories, it's no longer the age where books must be copied by handwritting and only a limited number of people knows how to write. The abundance of and the ease of access to information and works (fiction or otherwise) nowadays are unprecedented in human history, the choices are practically limitless. It makes no sense trying to impose what sort of story an author should or should not create.

It's not because it's fictional that you can say and draw everything you want. It's not because they were not real persons harmed that you can show the more hateful and immoral things in your story. Words and pictures have meanings and can be more harmful and impactful than any physical actions. This stupid argument and the other "people choose what to read" are the things that lead us to have story (manga, anime, BD, comics ....) that show and spread harmful ideas that actually hurt real people.
And in this case, there is nothing to justify the choice of actor to show little children being abuses and one of them impregnate by her dad ? WTF !