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LustGreed

this story has beauty in it.. that this thing worth saving.. and worth keeping. Not just a mere toxic relationship. The healing part as I see it is toward saving their relationship as they slowly reach the roots of their problems that broke them off in the first place.

Totally..and still, most people think that it's impossible for a SuminxSeju and they'd totally freak out if it happens..xD

arghh.. no wonder divorce and consumption rates are skyrocketing with this type of mentality!

your computer is dying: get a new one!
the new iphone is out: let's get another new contract and throw this 6 months old phone.
your partner is busy: let's find a new one who could worship us instead.

we deserve this and that.. but what about working for the beautiful things we have instead.. NOOOO GOD FORBIDS.. they are TOXIC !!!

Those indifferent ungrateful people who would jump for every new fluffy thing are truly something! they would never understand the meaning of this story.. and for them to freak out, is just an expected unshocking result.

I am not shaming anyone for their beloved choices.. but a specific way of thinking and the justification sickens me !

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LustGreed

I'm pretty sure there is new movie coming out. All the girls there deserve to be happy but hell yes, give Homura the happiness that she deserves(Madoka :P). I always think that Homura and Seju have similarities. ;)

I was just about to say the same thing... XD I could see why you'd favor them. Both have some heartbreaking situations, stemming from unwavering love. Although, Seju's love was more reciprocated, Homura's is still heartwrenching. The stories are so different, yet equally impactful, for me.

Waiting for the official announcement, as the concept movie has been released already. :)

cheers we're the same..that's why it's not surprising that i love both..while others think that they're crazy and possessive, I always describe their love as agape T.T

I'm also waiting here..

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LustGreed

this story has beauty in it.. that this thing worth saving.. and worth keeping. Not just a mere toxic relationship. The healing part as I see it is toward saving their relationship as they slowly reach the roots of their problems that broke them off in the first place.

Totally..and still, most people think that it's impossible for a SuminxSeju and they'd totally freak out if it happens..xD

arghh.. no wonder divorce and consumption rates are skyrocketing with this type of mentality!

your computer is dying: get a new one!
the new iphone is out: let's get another new contract and throw this 6 months old phone.
your partner is busy: let's find a new one who could worship us instead.

we deserve this and that.. but what about working for the beautiful things we have instead.. NOOOO GOD FORBIDS.. they are TOXIC !!!

Those indifferent ungrateful people who would jump for every new fluffy thing are truly something! they would never understand the meaning of this story.. and them to freak out, is just an expected unshocking result.

What's more that got me weirded out today-- I had a convo with someone who dislikes Seju so much(probably coz of cheating) but likes NTR(Netsuzou Trap)..something my mind can't comprehend..oh gad..xD

joined Jun 23, 2017

LustGreed

cheers we're the same..that's why it's not surprising that i love both..while other's think that they're crazy and possessive, I always describe their love as agape T.T

I'm also waiting here..

There's always that fine line... I think both characters are very tragic. The difference between the two is that Seju has been in a committed, deep relationship with the one she loves who equally loved her back. For Madoka, it was more implied, but that doesn't take away from Homura's character. She just wants Madoka to be happy. :)

What's more that got me weirded out today-- I had a convo with someone who dislikes Seju so much(probably coz of cheating) but likes NTR(Netsuzou Trap)..something my mind can't comprehend..oh gad..xD

That person has contradicted him or herself. XD NTR can't compare to WDTFS either.

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Yeah, I just can't see anything bout Sumin and Seju's relationship being positive or worth saving, the year and years of horrible treatment Seju received from Sumin will never disappear. I truely think any "healing" that could take place will be Seju and Sumin letting go of their past (each other) and realizing there are greener pastures.

at least for them (at least), there is. And that's why they can't truly let go of each other.. not even in the point of ch54,
Sumin: what if I want to go back to you again.

look at Sumin's house, why did she locate her bed in that manner and in the living room.. look at her living room arrangement.. and her panoramic windows, compare it to Seju's house in ch72 and ch8 when they first made love. Why doesn't she leave the house and insisted on buying it!
(btw, those chapters show you two different houses of Seju.. that share the exact arrangement.. and Sumin replicated it)
YUP, holding on to the memories and the things that reminds you of a person that you've never stopped loving.(at least for them)

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LustGreed

What's more that got me weirded out today-- I had a convo with someone who dislikes Seju so much(probably coz of cheating) but likes NTR(Netsuzou Trap)..something my mind can't comprehend..oh gad..xD

hahahha.. double standards!
Sumin cheated too.. or have they forgotten !!

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LustGreed

What's more that got me weirded out today-- I had a convo with someone who dislikes Seju so much(probably coz of cheating) but likes NTR(Netsuzou Trap)..something my mind can't comprehend..oh gad..xD

hahahha.. double standards!
Sumin cheated too.. or have they forgotten !!

That too!! And they don't count it as cheating..lol they even blamed Seju for it..I find it exhausting to talk with people like that so I just stopped..lol

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LustGreed

That too!! And they don't count it as cheating..lol they even blamed Seju for it..I find it exhausting to talk with people like that so I just stopped..lol

excuses hahahah.. but in their logic, Sungji was wrong in being mad at the poor manipulated Sumin.
Enk

Yeah, I'm sorry about because of you're above comments I'm going to pass on further discussion on the matter with you. If your theory does end up being correct then congrats.

I don't know which comment you mean exactly.. so which theory because I have a dozen of both XD

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There is a huge unconditional Love in this story. Isn't it amazing that someone you once loved so much (and maybe love still) hasn't given up on you. I mean, how sweet is that to have all those wonderfull experiences growing up togethe. They had a sneek peek of a wonderful life together. Wouldn't you want a second chance with your first love given that you still love her too? The development of the story, Sumin's journey, it better be a second chance than learning to love again. If it's new love, they could have focused more on Sungji with sumin and not the other way around.

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Enk

Those indifferent ungrateful people who would jump for every new fluffy thing are truly something! they would never understand the meaning of this story.. and for them to freak out, is just an expected unshocking result.
I am not shaming anyone for their beloved choices.. but a specific way of thinking and the justification sickens me !

I made it clear that I don't mean any one's preference of any ending.. but the consumption mentality is creeping into people's relationships.. even for those whom I know in real life, disposing everything because there comes a new one that doesn't require an effort to fix.
in that mentality, one can't understand what is it for anyone to fight or to hold on into something!

one could still prefere Sungji's ending with Sumin, without throwing the shameful consumption mentality at me. But before I know it, one would come to me with it.

Actually, you can admire Sungji "for not having a consumption mentality and her trying to fix it" rather than defending your choice by the excuse that "Sumin should move on, it is toxic ~whine"

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There's always that fine line... I think both characters are very tragic. The difference between the two is that Seju has been in a committed, deep relationship with the one she loves who equally loved her back. For Madoka, it was more implied, but that doesn't take away from Homura's character. She just wants Madoka to be happy. :)

That's true. And I just want the two of them to be happy. ;_;

That person has contradicted him or herself. XD NTR can't compare to WDTFS either.

Yeah..my mind just got really blown with that person's resoning xD condemning cheating and then, tolerating cheating..like wait, what?lol

joined Jun 23, 2017

LustGreed

That's true. And I just want the two of them to be happy. ;_;

Couldn't agree more. :) And I want that sequel. XD

Yeah..my mind just got really blown with that person's resoning xD condemning cheating and then, tolerating cheating..like wait, what?lol

I'm guessing they don't read too much into the stories or choose to take things as is. NTR is a yuri, so there is really only one pairing. WDTFS is way more complex.

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LustGreed

That too!! And they don't count it as cheating..lol they even blamed Seju for it..I find it exhausting to talk with people like that so I just stopped..lol

excuses hahahah.. but in their logic, Sungji was wrong in being mad at the poor manipulated Sumin.

Nah..those people, that person in particular could never hate Sungji..lol but they worshipped Sungji for forgiving Sumin every fucking time..

I could understand them in that part..I, myself is obsessing over Seju my own way..lol

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LustGreed

Nah..those people, that person in particular could never hate Sungji..lol but they worshipped Sungji for forgiving Sumin every fucking time..

they are probably more addicted to Pulse too XD.

I don't hate Sungji either.. I just find that her relationship with Sumin brought her worst.. a brief glance at how she felt even from the beginning when her friends asked her if Sumin treated her well in ch39, through all the things she went through in only just 4 month!! can you imagine ?
and Sungji said it to Sumin ch56: you were always ready to leave me, but it was not like that for me.

would this relationship last? very very debatable.
my preference (anticipation) of the ending has no connection to how I feel about Sungji as a character.. but to how things are going!

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LustGreed

Nah..those people, that person in particular could never hate Sungji..lol but they worshipped Sungji for forgiving Sumin every fucking time..

they are probably more addicted to Pulse too XD.

Hell fucking yes..haha I haven't read Pulse for long and I don't know what's happening anymore. So I'm curious as to what made you think that?

I don't hate Sungji either.. I just find that her relationship with Sumin brought her worst.. a brief glance at how she felt even from the beginning when her friends asked her if Sumin treated her well in ch39, through all the things she went through in only just 4 month!! can you imagine ?
and Sungji said it to Sumin ch56: you were always ready to leave me, but it was not like that for me.

would this relationship last? very very debatable.
my preference (anticipation) of the ending has no connection to how I feel about Sungji as a character.. but to how things are going!

Who would hate Sungji? Lol her character is not made to be hated(but that doesn't mean I can't dislike her sometimes xD) if ever they end up together, I just can't really see how it will work/last with both of them having so many insecurities that was not even pointed out or discussed or even solved in the series. How is that even "healing".

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LustGreed

Hell fucking yes..haha I haven't read Pulse for long and I don't know what's happening anymore. So I'm curious as to what made you think that?

it somewhat has this innocent young blondie loving this brunette who comes with all this baggage (loving some rich girl in her past) and prefers casual sex on finding love. Then comes the innocent hero to tame this brunette and show her the light.. evil evil ex ! XD
what's for that person to not love about Pulse when they want to shape WDTFS to be exactly the same.

Who would hate Sungji? Lol her character is not made to be hated(but that doesn't mean I can't dislike her sometimes xD) if ever they end up together, I just can't really see how it will work/last with both of them having so many insecurities that was not even pointed out or discussed or even solved in the series. How is that even "healing".

you have it there !
because they weren't designed to end up together in the first place.

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it some what has this innocent young blondie loving this brunette who comes with all this baggage (loving some rich girl in her past) and prefers casual sex on finding love. Then comes the innocent hero to tame this brunette and show her the light.. evil evil ex ! XD
what's for that person to not love about Pulse when they want to shape WDTFS to be exactly the same.

I'm very very far behind..lol I just know that the blonde needs heart surgery..xD

you have it there !
because they weren't designed to end up together in the first place.

But let's jump the bandwagon..they will talk, have sex and have happy ending..fin lol jk I'm sure Team Gaji will still make a good ending for everyone..what I wouldn't like is if Sumin would go back to Seju coz someone told her to do so(Sungji, Seju's dad etc) or due to obligation and pity(Seju doesn't need that), she should realize it by herself, if not, then better end up with Sungji or whoever..haha but I'm gonna sleep now..it's already 4am..xD what is sleep even? I might not be making sense anymore.

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LustGreed

I'm very very far behind..lol I just know that the blonde needs heart surgery..xD

I remember someone asking if my memory is a curse or gift.. it depends on the Manhwa.. I stopped reading that one.


LustGreed, I trust Team Gaji to make a good ending.. I love the fact that now Seju is leaving Sumin's house.. for them to interact together, it was a good part and now we will see another.. a part when Sumin and Seju don't see each other for real.. and Sumin has no clue where Seju would be for the first time ever. This taking Seju for granted will change.
All the excuses that they had before are gone now, the family contempt, the assassin threat and so is the workplace and the house they once shared.

If they would ever see each other again, it would be because they purely want to not because they have to.

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Nora89

If they would ever see each other again, it would be because they purely want to not because the have to.

Your fear from last chapter that Sumin would just go with Seju out of guilt or pity has been ruled out too. :)

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If they would ever see each other again, it would be because they purely want to not because the have to.

Your fear from last chapter that Sumin would just go with Seju out of guilt or pity has been ruled out too. :)

That's why I admire TG writing and trust them.. they ruled Sumin guilt toward Seju away at this point.. inferiority complex was dealt with and so Sumin's insecurity a bit (by the whole TL leaving the stressful job that Sumin used to handle so skillfully). they worked as well on the trust issues a bit.

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there was this moment, when Sumin sulked at Seju for getting her cloths wet under the Snow.. but then Sumin put her umbrella aside and sat right next to Seju.. getting her cloths wet as well.. later on, she held the umbrella over Seju's head and said her words: No, I can't Seju-ah. I wish this will be the last snow I am going to be seeing with you.
Last thing from the scene was the umbrella that Sumin held over Seju's head and Sumin's foot print on the snow.. (don't wait for me in the snow anymore).

the clearest time we saw the umbrella reference and its parallelism to ch2 was actually in ch52
check this out


The umbrella thing between:

  • Seju and Sumin:
    ch2, and ch89 (both scenes, Sumin held her umbrella for Seju and herself)

  • Sungji and Sumin:
    ch2 (Sumin didn't use Sungji's umbrella),
    ch52 (the umbrella flipped by the wind),
    ch60 (Sumin ran after Sungji to give her one, but Sungji was walking under Dawoon's)

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Nora89

That's why I admire TG writing and trust them..

The ending is becoming clearer and clearer with each chapter. I honestly do not feel the need to convince myself of the ending anymore. However, I am curious about what Sungji ultimately has to say.

the clearest time we saw the umbrella reference and its parallelism to ch2 was actually in ch52

Team Gaji loves their symbolism... Everything is coming full circle now.

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Nora89, mpgpeg(seriously, your username is giving me hard time to type it, lol, could I use jpeg instead, so easy xDDDD)

You guys are too confident with your choice xDDDD. I hope that I'm not too arrogant to say this but it seems I know what you guys think that will happen next and how to solve things but well, its not easy for that to happen and well, the whole drama Sungji gave up for the sake of Seju then Sumin went back to Sungji ultimately for Sungji's noble and selfless act is totally possible, you know xD

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joined Apr 28, 2016

You're wrong. There is another way to make SuminxSeju to be back together in just one chap without any dramatic events, lolll.

damn, I actually say it when I bet for the opposite, lol

Btw, since alot of readers think SejuxSumin is impossble, so why do you think the author emphasizes Seju's love for Sumin till the very end? The more the story goes, the bigger that love is described? Something that is not really getting that much focused with Sungji to Sumin?

Coming from someone who bet against them... yoonie, you're adorable. XD

For this manhwa, it seems to be the case that many readers have slowly changed their views on the character dynamics.

I'm weird and now I'm also adorable? xDDD Wow, you guys make me feel like I'm very bipolar XDDDDDD

Anyway, I might bet against them but truth is truth, I still see some possibilities in them, not completely impossible xDDDDD, but still not as big as SuminxSungji possibility xDDDDDD.

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I know we have so many other stories like this, but what if you believe Sumin x Seju could happen only because you want to see something different for once? lol
I mean to me it sounds more like a wishful thinking rather than reality.

No, its not wishful thinking, have you ever seen a story that makes for a new love to be the end but the other third wheel character(like Seju) gets so many descriptions about how devoted she is to the love that she once had till the very end?

Most of the other stories(no, actually, its all other stories), that so called third wheel will have either
- Move on and say 'I think I dont love you anymore and I will go finding peace somewhere else, etc....'
- Someone else comes along and falling in love again with that person

Neither case is for Seju, instead, the author keeps emphasizes Seju's love for Sumin, how she would die for her and how she worries for her more than her own self xDDD. Even worse, the author took away all from Seju(now the father), she only has Sumin left, losing Sumin will mean losing all to Seju. Why? To kill herself and then die conveniently? I would fire the author's entire house if they did xDDDD.

Yes it would be a good ending. And bittersweet. But the thing here again is, we are talking about what would feel nice to some people, not based on what the plot actually points to. And I'm pretty sure some TeamBlonde fans would even disagree with this point anyway.
They could easily say the moral of the story is to learn how to let go of the toxic past etc, so a Sumin x Sungji ending would be better and make more sense.

XDDDD, what people defines toxic sometimes is not exactly toxic, dont you think? it depends on people's view xDDD.
And sometimes safer choice is not the best choice xDDDDD

Well, you're asking why people see sejuxsumin is still possible so here are the few signs
- Fate is the theme
- Sumin's own growth about her feeling, from running away to accept and dealing and understanding
- Seju's consistent and unchanging love
- Sungji's own recognition about SejuxSumin's nature
- ......

And many more, I myself dont bet for that ending but I do understand why they still believe in that ending. I'm just not convinced enough XDDDD

Anyway this chapter was nice but I just want this to be over soon lol. It has been making me feel angsty for 1.5 years now. I feel sad for both Seju and Sungji lol

Also for Sumin xDDD, all of them are XDDDDD

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