Nora89

.. everything is cost- benefit analysis for politicians , for businessmen and even among individuals on a social level
I hope this way of looking at things would also collapse.. by any means necessary

Very true. That has hindered healthcare as well (in the US at least). Economics is not my speciality, I definitely have a lot to learn about that. XD

Nora89

.. everything is cost- benefit analysis for politicians , for businessmen and even among individuals on a social level
I hope this way of looking at things would also collapse.. by any means necessary

Very true. That has hindered healthcare as well (in the US at least). Economics is not my speciality, I definitely have a lot to learn about that. XD

oh boy.. even Economists have no idea what they are doing, and I MEAN IT.. but all of us are affected by their ignorance !

even when they tell you how well they did by adopting some policies, they never tell you how much they could've done way better in a more sustainable way.. because well, faster effects are always prefered even if we would pay the price later.

About the health care thing, they criticised Bernie for wanting free education for all.. like from where could they pay for it, right?

he said: Wall street
I say, why does the U.S need to spend and expand the military expenditure to reach over 611.2 $ Bn in 2016 ALONE ..of course they won''t have money for education, health AND LIFE if killing someone in Iraq and Afghanistan is more important to them!

by the way, this amount is more than double what Chain and Russia spent COMBINED !

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Nora89

I say, why does the U.S need to spend and expand the military expenditure to reach over 611.2 $ Bn in 2016 ALONE ..of course they won''t have money for education, health AND LIFE if killing someone in Iraq and Afghanistan is more important to them!

Yeah........... Yeah.... Yup. XD At least that's mainly the older generation's opinion, who have the most influence right now... (hoping at least)

it make it easier depending on your cultural, religious, economic, social, educational...etc backgrounds. I personally don't like the constant pressure on gay individuals to come out and advertising so.. I mean, telling teenagers to do so without any consideration to their circumstances is utterly irresponsible and narrow minded. And.. by Economic background, believe it or not, the better the financial statues of the person the easier it gets.

Yes and no. Yes, people's situations are different. Yes, people should only come out when they feel comfortable. All that said, the push and advertisement are still necessary. Look at the movements in the past (I live in USA, can only use USA examples), abolition of slavery, minority and women suffrage, legalization of same sex marriage, people have to rebel for changes to happen. Despite the danger, A LOT of people had rebelled over a long time, multiple generations even, for the above to become civil/human rights, the things a lot of us take for granted. I am somewhat angry at the gays who embrace their false sense of harmony, watch their fellows march on and die for their rights, then happily celebrate when things are settled.

Things don't work out this way everywhere nor that it is the best way.. sometimes maintaining the harmony is more important than one person selfish need specially if this need can be met in silence.

Things don't change if you sit in silence. But I'd say in certain countries smaller steps are better in dismantling a system, by the time they notice it's hopefully too late.

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hlama believe me I knew you live in the U.S the moment you suggested that Seju should come out if she wants to date Sumin XDDD.. anyways, this is not the case in other places, in a sense.. Families in the U.S are not that close anyways.. and nobody cares basically.. in other places, if a member of the family is known to be gay, the whole family is shamed for it - if not endangered- people would lose their jobs, reputations would be destroyed.. what works in some countries as peaceful change can be disastrous and selfish in other.
Also, could you please tell me how a teenager or a college student coming out in one of those countries would change anything !! they will suddenly legalise gay marriage ?? really!

I prefere having a harmonious life accepting how it is.. change what I can and if I can't, I leave the hell out

and btw.. it's not like any community or staying in my closet ever stopped me from doing my favorite things in life XDDD.. just my family/and people in there don't need to know my favorite finger food XD

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Nora a lot of movement originated from universities. I think it is more advantageous and less dangerous for teenagers and young adults to protest. For starter, they do not have much to lose yet. They are the future workforce and policy makers, having many of them protesting gives older folks a sense of what the next generation wants, and maybe, hopefully politicians will tailor their promises to capture those votes, media tailor their stories for those viewers and corporations build products for the emerging needs. Things won't change in a single day, but you have to start somewhere! And the more people you can rally, the higher your chance of making changes. That's why I am angry at the ones who decide to hide because they are indirectly failing or slowing down the revolution.

people would lose their jobs, reputations would be destroyed

They may. And it is wrong. Fight or flight. Flight is temporary, I rather take a risk for the permanence.

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and btw.. it's not like any community or staying in my closet ever stopped me from doing my favorite things in life XDDD.. just my family/and people in there don't need to know my favorite finger food XD

I know it is hard. I know people who have been disowned by their family because they come out. Don't take what I said personal. I am directing it at an idea not at you. Hug.

Wish there was a like button for your posts hlama

Someone has to throw the stone for a ripple to take effect. The more stones thrown the more ripple and the stronger the ripples

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hlama, how can I say this.. this logic is just too american even for my open minded taste. ah, it's even aggressive.

I think it is more advantageous and less dangerous for teenagers and young adults to protes

not much to lose ? ..mmmhm so not get disowned or expelled from their school and universities? (for example..)

having many of them protesting gives older folks a sense of what the next generation wants, and maybe, hopefully politicians will tailor their promises to capture those votes,

those won't change, they are pretty much fine with their son or daughter committing suicide on being publicly gay.. and shame their legacy for centuries to come.

media tailor their stories for those viewers and corporations build products for the emerging needs

those people won't care to listen to this, and if forced, they will bring the corporation to bankruptcy.. because even advertisers won't risk their names

That's why I am angry at the ones who decide to hide because they are indirectly failing or slowing down the revolution.

you could be as angry as you want.. that place was not America nor that I wish it to be. I spent 5 years advocating gay rights and writing under a pen name everywhere the politicians couldn't catch me.. at the end I figured out that I am no one's hero nor that anyone should be.. and people "including LGBT" are comfortable with their lives as it is.. nothing changed, I left the hell out. being liberal doesn't mean I should force my ideals on others.. but to let change take place fluidly and naturally.

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I know it is hard. I know people who have been disowned by their family because they come out. Don't take what I said personal. I am directing it at an idea not at you. Hug.

heheh.. I know I know.. hugggggg let the 4 boobs explode XD

Someone has to throw the stone for a ripple to take effect. The more stones thrown the more ripple and the stronger the ripples

I like this logic.. because last time I checked, Palestinians threw actual stones on the Israeli occupiers' tanks and were called terrorists XDDD how cute. But then the Palastina were shot.. the land was taken and the white liberal man suggested "HARMONY"
oh, let's not forget the aboriginals.
stones you say..

accepting things as they are sometimes is better than forcing a change even if it's right..

and now I contradict myself with what I told mpgjeg

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I can understand that what may work in western countries may not exactly work the same in others but that doesn't mean you give up and accept it, you need to fight smarter and find out what works in your country.

The internet is the worst channel though, it gives anonymity(kind of) but it can be controlled by those in power. It's not an effective medium in some countries.

And yes it is easier to say these things then it is to do them.

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Some people would die for an idea. Some wouldn't. There is really nothing to begrudge -it's a little hypocritical to..because at the end of the day we would also want to have the freedom to choose..whether an idea is worth dying for...whether there are other things in life we value more than the idea..

While I understand the concept of how a revolution needs to start somewhere (and how it won't be easy at the start), things usually don't end well when people are doing things they aren't ready for. Like a shotgun wedding XDDDD

Yesh I'm not saying you have to fight just that things won't change until someone does.
I don't believe change comes passively or naturally, someone always starts the wheel turning.

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I think people at different parts of the world already do. At what cost and whether it is enough to effect a real change is a different story

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Never said people aren't already, I'm just against the mindset of the "The greater good".

I'm just against the mindset of the "The greater good"

What do you mean?

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I'm just against the mindset of the "The greater good"

What do you mean?

Ever watched Hot Fuzz?

I think people at different parts of the world already do. At what cost and whether it is enough to effect a real change is a different story

Also at whose cost, and how do you know if it is enough if you don't do it? The first penguin usually dies, we still need that first penguin to inspire the rest.

I'm just against the mindset of the "The greater good"

What do you mean?

Ever watched Hot Fuzz?

Hahaha. Good movie.

Also at whose cost, and how do you know if it is enough if you don't do it? The first penguin usually dies, we still need that first penguin to inspire the rest.

Some penguins may just want to sunbathe in the sun and enjoy the ice before global warming melts everything XD

Ever watched Hot Fuzz?

I have not. I had a brief look at the synopsis and I don't quite see the relevance. If you can elaborate that will be helpful.

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Also at whose cost, and how do you know if it is enough if you don't do it? The first penguin usually dies, we still need that first penguin to inspire the rest.

Some penguins may just want to sunbathe in the sun and enjoy the ice before global warming melts everything XD

Those penguins better know how to photosynthesize then XD.

Ever watched Hot Fuzz?

I have not. I had a brief look at the synopsis and I don't quite see the relevance. If you can elaborate that will be helpful.

It's more a concept within the plot so it's not in the synopsis. Would be easier for me to explain if you had seen the film haha, I'm a terrible explainer.

I guess I'm against just accepting the status quo just because it makes everyone else happy?

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