The unofficial translator last week has the time to talk to me and yoonie here about his translation and explained some of difficulties he faced, specially when the sentence has no subject or whatsoever. He tried his best, but maybe it was TG intention to add ambiguity to it.

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I wrote the above part before seeing your comment,
Anonymous__

Oh my god I'm reading my own translations and I want to just stop now
I see so much stupid sentencing and nonesensical stuff
Most of the meanings are destroyed by just literally translating word for word instead of conveying what the sentence is talking about...

now about the cake sentence, you made a good choice because it DOES mean two things (one is the cake, the other is consistent with something else that Sungji said, even if I don't agree with your secondary perspective of the sentence).
Stop beating yourself up for it XDD it's really okay.

I only wished if you kept Sungji's quote of Dawoon's words the same.

I read some other anonymous writing about the idiom thing and Seju begged something that Sungji gave her.. what what !! out of context completely, annnnnd very subjective.

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Man the thread sure became active since last time I showed up, you guys pretty much already said everything that could be said, so I'm coming mostly because some of you mentioned depression and well, some of the things said are pretty inaccurate, to not say worse, so I hope at least some of you will have enough interest to read this:

Adventures in Depression - The site is not all about depression but the rest is also a nice read, so I recommend to a have a look later

Adventures in Depression Part Two

Depression Comix - This is a webcomic so start in the last page since newest strips are in the front page, I know that's kind of obvious, saying just cause I know some people who started by the lastest strip in the front page instead of starting in strip 1...

Nora89 and True Evil
I hope at least you two will read it, since I think it was mostly you two who discussed it.

Especially you Nora89, I know some if not all of what you said is probably related direcly to Sumin and maybe about the minority who use depression as an excuse to be assholes, but not only some are still very offensive, but some are well, bullshit, to put it bluntly, like for example how you said:

a hard situation comes, okay.. be depressed, cry for two weeks and eat your favourite surgery/buttery full of happiness food.. but after that, get your shit together and your attitude straight.

even in that case, the person should have the willingness to get better and ask for help when needed.. not shove their weak souls on others !

is the excuse for every ass hole being a genuine ass, when in reality, their flawed personalities and actions is what caused them to be depressed in the first place!

Though I don't really hold those comments much against you because you seem to be arguing mostly about Sumin and depression as excuse for how she is, not to mention later you acknowledge the topic is touchy for you, so I honestly hope you don't have that kind of view about the majority of people with depression in real life, or that you just don't really know how it is and those links will help change how you see depression.

Anyway, I hope those links will help you guys understand depression better since it's a pretty hard thing for most people to understand, I wanted to post those images to finish my post but they're too big, so here link for them.
https://www.depressioncomix.com/posts/052/
https://www.depressioncomix.com/posts/084/
https://www.depressioncomix.com/posts/116/

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Dear Thiaguinho-sama, Thank you for the informative post, I am aware of what depression is and how serious it could get, when I talked about it in here I meant the cause and effect, is depression what causes Sumin character to be this irresponsible, or her irresponsible acts made her feel depressed?!. As a person who strongly believes in internal locus of control, I could never accept blaming others or running away from issues for 10 years with the excuse that the person is simply depressed!. And by the way, I never deviated from Sumin's character. (whom I think her personality is majorly flawed that even if she wasn't depressed, she is still selfish, immature and irresponsible).

I didn't mean to offend any person who suffers from depression, specially those who seek help when they need it.. and the fighters! those have my utmost respect.
For those who blame everything wrong in their lives on being depressed and prefer to sink deeper, should not be excused and should be held responsible, their depression is not their only issue clearly.

the topic was brought up by Es0tric as a mean to empathy Sumin's character. Hence, my view may only be considered in that context.

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^She's lost both of her parents at once. She had every right to be depressed.

for 10 years of enjoying being sadistic and masochist at the same time.
irresponsible, blaming others ..etc!

this is going out of hands.. and again could push more buttons!!
so I will leave it at this point
The more I think about it, the angrier I become. she HAD NO RIGHT

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Seju was still a part of the process, she wanted it, she acted to get her this way so both ladies are to blame, not only Sumin and her depression which evolved into something else during those 10 years.

^She's lost both of her parents at once. She had every right to be depressed.

She had no right to blame Seju for her parents death.

Seju was still a part of the process, she wanted it, she acted to get her this way so both ladies are to blame, not only Sumin and her depression which evolved into something else during those 10 years.

more of shifting the blame !!
is it fun to shift the blame really?? modern age maturity ?

^She's lost both of her parents at once. She had every right to be depressed.

She had no right to blame Seju for her parents death.

I'm not saying she had right to do it. But people with depression do a lot of stupid stuff.
Seju had no right to cheat on Sumin because of that.
As I said - both ladies are to blame.

Seju was still a part of the process, she wanted it, she acted to get her this way so both ladies are to blame, not only Sumin and her depression which evolved into something else during those 10 years.

more of shifting the blame !!
is it fun to shift the blame really?? modern age maturity ?

I don't see it this way. They both made mistakes, but a lot of people put all the blame only on one of them - Sumin or Seju depending which they like more. It's something I see as wrong because the blame isn't only on one side.

as I said, this topic would make me lose my manners. so I prefer not to participate in it any further, as what I would criticise Sumin with could be misunderstood as generalised toward those who are fighting depression.

^She's lost both of her parents at once. She had every right to be depressed.

She had no right to blame Seju for her parents death.

I'm not saying she had right to do it. But people with depression do a lot of stupid stuff.
Seju had no right to cheat on Sumin because of that.
As I said - both ladies are to blame.

Same for Seju. She cheated because she was depressed.

^She's lost both of her parents at once. She had every right to be depressed.

She had no right to blame Seju for her parents death.

I'm not saying she had right to do it. But people with depression do a lot of stupid stuff.
Seju had no right to cheat on Sumin because of that.
As I said - both ladies are to blame.

Same for Seju. She cheated because she was depressed.

Um... No. That was anger. She's developing depression now.

Nora89
I kind of thought you was talking about Sumin situation only, and I knew it was someone else who started the topic, but it can be kind of hard to keep track of the discussion since it can move pretty fast and with big posts, so I decided to make that post just to be sure, and the links I gave are a pretty good way to get a grasp of depression, so it's always good to spread them.

As for Sumin and Seju, I belive both started having depression for various reasons, like how Sumin lost both parents and the cheatig, and how Seju always had a shitty family and then lost Sumin, I belive that what happened 10 years ago just made both go offrails, sure some actions could be excused on their depression and whatever they were feeling, but with time because neither moved on, both basically became very screwed up, Sumin becoming the selfish jerk she is and treating Seju bad, while Seju became a complete doormat for Sumin in the hopes she would come back.

I would say both of their personalitiies, not just Sumin, are caused because they never moved on and how they dealt with their problems in complete opposite ways, by basically one becoming completely active agaisnt the other who became completely passive to anything she does, so they basically got stuck in a vicious cycle, them having depression is in my opinion just another symptom of how bad their relationship is because they're stuck running in cycles unless someone who really cares about both do something, which is why Sungji comes to the picture, because otherwise even with all the suffering, they still love each other and are somewhat happy staying like that, they would probably never move on without someone helping both, even if just a little, they're too complacent to do anything besides perpetuate their own suffering.

Izz
Although Sumin depression started with her parents death, and of course that's a pain that rarely goes away completely, after Seju cheating, independent of how or why it happened, it just made both become lost, with time any depression they have is caused by their vicious cycle, Sumin blaming Seju and Seju accepting it was just another of the countless mistakes they did, any other reason they had to feel depressed or to be how they are was lost after 10 years staying in that situation, so I agree with Nora89 that after so long, most of their problems, like depression, was caused and perpetuated by themselves, so you can't really put Sumin depression on her parents death anymore, because with time that reason was lost in my opinion.

Either way, what I have to say about the ending, cause it's what I hope will happen, theesome incoming! And that makes this come to mind, so I guess I'm in team neapolitan? It kind of is their colors after all...

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I would say both of their personalitiies, not just Sumin, are caused because they never moved on and how they dealt with their problems in complete opposite ways, by basically one becoming completely active agaisnt the other who became completely passive to anything she does, so they basically got stuck in a vicious cycle, them having depression is in my opinion just another symptom of how bad their relationship is

I agree with this assessment.. thank you!

I agree with Nora89 that after so long, most of their problems, like depression, was caused and perpetuated by themselves, so you can't really put Sumin depression on her parents death anymore, because with time that reason was lost in my opinion.

and again, Thank you for understanding what I meant and putting it in a decent paragraph with much less angry tone than mine XD

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Thiaguinho-sama
That's why I said Sumin's depression evolved into something else during those 10 years. It wasn't clear depression. More like anger issues combined with tiny bit of depression and PTSD after the scaring. She accepted Seju's offer to take all the blame. But it all started with Sumin's depression over losing her parents and Seju's lack of understanding which caused her to make the worst mistake ever - cheat. After the scaring, Sumin started tormenting Seju, but Seju took it all and played her own game by destroying at least one serious relationship of Sumin's in a bad way. She said it herself, she wanted Sumin to hate her more each time she came back so she had to do something to achive this hate. She brought it on herself. Both ladies and their actions to blame, not depression of one of them.

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Same for Seju. She cheated because she was depressed.

Um... No. That was anger. She's developing depression now.

She was angry when arguing with Sumin, but at the bar, she was being depressed. btw, Sumin blaming Seju for her parents death wasn't out of her depression imo, it was out of her unreasonable stupidity beyond reality.

sia ue

btw, Sumin blaming Seju for her parents death wasn't out of her depression imo, it was out of her unreasonable stupidity beyond reality.

but Darling is still your favourite, kyaaaa XDD
admirable unconditional love

Same for Seju. She cheated because she was depressed.

Um... No. That was anger. She's developing depression now.

She was angry when arguing with Sumin, but at the bar, she was being depressed. btw, Sumin blaming Seju for her parents death wasn't out of her depression imo, it was out of her unreasonable stupidity beyond reality.

No, it was depression. You either blame yourself, someone else or the entire world. Sumin blamed someone else - Seju.

Being in a depressed state is something else from having a depression. Sumin had a depression. Seju did not. She's on a very good way to end up having a depression now and I think Sungji is the only one who can see it.

Izz
First of all, Seju couldn't really understand Sumin pain because she pretty much never really had a family, as for the cheating, in the end we still don't know why or how exactly it happened, I have two theories, either there was going to have a plot twist there, maybe it would happen but the extension screwed the story flow and they never put it, or maybe would be something for last chapter, just for tragedy, to see in the end their relationship problems was not completely their fault, OR, why and how never mattered, just the result, which is their relationship being screwed up.

Either way I agree with you, in my opinion how all started is meaningless, because after so long it all became their own fault for not even trying to move on, I'm kind of always baffled how there's still people who try to blame everything on one of them.

Nora89
Haha, you're welcome, you should try to be less angry girl. xD

Oh yeah isn't you who her girlfriend joined here? I need to go back and catch up with some parts of the discussion. lol

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Completely unrelated, but it's so strange get out of my hole and stop lurking after so long, I'm feeling like this lol

Haha, you're welcome, you should try to be less angry girl. xD

I think only this topic could make me this angry XD

Oh yeah isn't you who her girlfriend joined here? I need to go back and catch up with some parts of the discussion. lol

Yup.. :P, enjoy this long & fast thread.

Thiaguinho-sama
Yup, Seju couldn't understand Sumin's state because she grew up in different kind of family, she never had a parental love. But she had a control over her own actions so nothing can justify the cheating. From that point everything that was happening between them was fault of both of them, not connected to the depression :)

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I think the topic of depression should be dropped. Depression is complex and a rising issue in the world. My intention was never to use it as an excuse, but to bring understanding; in the same way people bring up Seju's family history. You don't have to agree with someones actions to understand the underlying causes

Unless you have had a depressive disorder you're not going to understand it completely, you may think you can or you can try to empathise but you never completely will. I've had a depressive disorder for 20+ years and if i could just be rid of it i would. Learning to manage it requires help. I've been able to manage it without help for most of that time but now I'm on medication and in therapy because i can not do it alone. My partner recently got diagnosed with depression and has found that it stemmed from their mothers death 20 years ago. Due to their family never talking or getting the help needed it has manifested for so long. It's not something that just goes away with willpower.

Bottom line: If you think you have a depressive disorder and come from a country with poor mental health awareness like South Korea, ask for help. Don't become another statistic. Please, funerals for suicide cases are not fun.

btw, Sumin blaming Seju for her parents death wasn't out of her depression imo, it was out of her unreasonable stupidity beyond reality.

but Darling is still your favourite, kyaaaa XDD
admirable unconditional love

I don't wanna spoil her since that girl apparently can't be spoiled too much. :'D