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Hopefully there will be a new teamleader who will test sungmin and sungji love, it will be more interesting if the sumin fall into the same hole for the second time because it can not resist the temptation of the seju, I will see how their reaction to see this situation
Sumin knows her weakness to Seju's naked body, otherwise her #1 condition would not be so important. God! Why she jumped on Seju when she was laying down and the view was not so clear from the kitchen! Half lided eyes.. really Sumin XD
Fair enough. Still i would wait for the translation in that particular scene. The context is important and i can't make out sumin's facial expression. Lusting or telling the truth
And i wish she is lusting so much she can't take it anymore and make the first move.. LOL XD
I wouldn't like seju to make any move at all
I had a look again on their body language, they were not as clear as in ch74 or in 69, 55, I'll list what I think in case it interests you:
the look on Sumin's face as she enters the house is relaxed, like she is doing a routine thing
(note that Sumin lived alone for a long time.. which means that she is not burdened by the visiter)of course, later she is so scared ( I'm not sure which amount of fear is normal given the situation)
as Sumin orders Seju to change her cloths, she moved to a more aggressive posture, Seju seems unaffected,
later Sumin puts her hand on the table to demonstrate control (when Seju was saying: I can't even stay in my own house, I think the real translation is: I can't even stay at my house as I please.. did she mean to remind Sumin that she still owns the house or did she mean the clothing matter in which Sumin asked her about the promise)as Sumin jumps above Seju, there are two signs that make me sure she was in fact lusting:
1- half lidded eyes
2- moisturised lips (more than usual)
( I can hear her talking with a deep voice hehehe )
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Next morning:
Sumin did not reject or seem uncomfortable with the obvious flirt.. in fact if you check her last side glare it reminds me of the one in ch2 morning.
Sumin gave Sungji the softest warm look at the office ( I do not remember if she gave her one like that before) , as Sungji holds Sumin, I am not sure if Sumin position to be cornered between the window and Sungji has a specific message, still Sungji's hands-work as dominant. Then later she does the same protective hand gesture of the last chapter in bed.
These are all what I was able to think about.
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Where Nora89 sees Sumin as lusting, i see her more as just being more unfazed by Seju's actions. To me Sumin ignores Seju's flirting which is why she doesn't respond to it or look uncomfortable. But i could be proved wrong in later events.
The jumping on Seju part can mean two different things though too. She's either comfortable in herself being unfazed by Seju's actions to do that or it is a part of her lusting after Seju as Nora89 reads into it.
Edit: I'm beginning to see both sides of the argument the more i read other readers viewpoints but i still have a bias towards one more than the other.
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Es0teric
I personally enjoy it when I read other view points, specially when an interesting one comes by with that Ahaa moment :D
since I discovered my bias, I unintentionally may overlook things. However, I will try my best to be reasonable.
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back to the point,
the reason it adds to why I see it as a lust is because the emphasis she had on making Seju clothed the whole time.
you actually brought a nice argument that can explain mine,
so if she does not act uncomfortable towards Seju's flirts because as you said she does not care, then why taking such a jump on her.. she would have been simply comfortable and indifferent.. nothing that Seju said at that moment should made Sumin so defensive unless she was already uneasy.
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it is interesting how Seju threw their first time memories into Sumin's face.. to remind her that this body once made her shake so much !
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next chapter will move further to either directions a bit more.. in any case I do not wish to see Seju doing any advances at all.
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Nora89 I just see the whole clothes thing as a sign of dominance more than anything else. I think that Seju does all these things on purpose to get a rise out of Sumin and Sumin knows it. She is unfazed but still wants to show dominance as that is generally her character type around Seju. Not sure how to explain it any better though sorry, it's just how my brain processes it when i read it.
Can definitely see where you are coming from though too which is why i mentioned the couch jumping scene. But yeah future actions will be important.
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next chapter will move further to either directions a bit more.. in any case I do not wish to see Seju doing any advances at all.
I believe Seju wont do any advances, judging from how she has behaved these past 2 chaps. Even though she still flirted, but that how she was with Sumin the whole time. Aside from an obvious attempt of provoking Sungji by touching Sumin's foot, she actually didnt do anything overboard. Note that in wdtfs, main characters has habits of going to sleep with the lack of clothes, proven by a few times already so the first rule Sumin set after seeing Seju in her bras right when she wakes up is kinda weird =))))). the conversation Seju makes with Sumin is very casual, asking about tv or complain that she cant stay comfortably just as she likes in her own house, she even makes the atmostphere lighter with the joke about Sumin's shaking. The morning, she flirted but back away right away and ate her breakfast, that action is more teasing than actually attempt to make Sumin nervous =))))))))
To me, the new team leader is Seju's final plan, not the attempt to flirt and arouse Sumin by her body. I still remember Seju's smirk when Sumin said she'll quit after Japan trip, that smirk might mean everything is according to her plan, Sumin quitting and new team leader comes. So imo, we'll see more casual-but-sometimes-being-flirty-playful Seju in Sumin's house, the key should be the new team leader, whether she/he (I believe its a she) interests in Seju or Sungji or not will be an interesting question
Just had a thought. The clothes thing is still about Sungji. If Seju can walk around half naked then what happens if Sungji randomly turns up and sees her walking around with Sumin around? I think the insistence on Seju wearing clothes is to manage Sungji's distrust of the two of them being in the same apartment by making sure there is less risk of a misunderstanding.
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Since we are talking about the new team leader as well there is a possible minor translation error in the final scene with Sungji and Sumin.
Sumin : It's normal to be awkward around your boss/superior.
Sungji : Team leader, is the new team leader a good person/ok person? I'm a little worried.
Just had a thought. The clothes thing is still about Sungji. If Seju can walk around half naked then what happens if Sungji randomly turns up and sees her walking around with Sumin around? I think the insistence on Seju wearing clothes is to manage Sungji's distrust of the two of them being in the same apartment by making sure there is less risk of a misunderstanding.
Yes, that's what I thought before but in this chap, Seju is wearing bathrobe, even though it's a little bit loose but she's wearing sth and it's night time, time before they go to bed and the morning after, they'll go to work right away, I'm pretty sure there will be no Sungji at that period of time so the constant of reminding Seju to change her clothes right after she just had a bath is weird, cause arent we all wearing just bathrobe after we shower? And change to comfortable clothes a little bit later?
But anyway, I dont question much about Sumin's demandings, she probably wants to create distance and set barriers between her and Seju, not wanting Seju to be too comfortable with clothes like they used to before, that's all, so to me, I dont think much about the whole deal of sumin jump to seju, etc but we all have our own analysis so I wont stop people from looking to these things =)))))
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yoonie0104
the part you talked about the smirk and Seju's plan, is what I find right on point!
Seju seems to understand Sungji so well that she employed her in the first place.. even tho she did not expect her reaction in ch55.
Es0teric
very possible reasoning.
yoonie0104
actually in the morning Sumin gave her basically the same clothing type she was wearing after her bath.. both cover the same areas. Sumin is in denial as usual so..
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One more thing, and about afraid of Sungji's misunderstandings, Sumin jumped on to Seju's body will give alot more misunderstandings than Seju with bathrobe =))))), the compromise position they are in will be the death of sumin if sungji appeared. Plus, sumin doesnt stop seju from getting too close or touchy with her in the morning. Dont you find it bipolar? If Sumin's afraid of misunderstandings, physical contacts with Seju should be kept minimal, not like this
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One more thing, and about afraid of Sungji's misunderstandings, Sumin jumped on to Seju's body will give alot more misunderstandings than Seju with bathrobe =))))), the compromise position they are in will be the death of sumin if sungji appeared. Plus, sumin doesnt stop seju from getting too close or touchy with her in the morning. Dont you find it bipolar? If Sumin's afraid of misunderstandings, physical contacts with Seju should be kept minimal, not like this
hehehehe, well yeah, but in Es0teric defence, Sungji doesn't seem to know the code of Sumin's house yet according to Sumin knowledge at least.. may be that is why she rang the bill last chapter.. no barging in will occur, so it is easier to stop a flirt on putting some shirt on Seju's boobilcious body if Sungji visits .
in those two scenes tho, Sumin is going to be in trouble anyways, she promised Sungji that they will be using totally two different spaces and Seju will be only in her room. so so Sumin.. where should you begin to explain any of that XD
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Yes, that's what I thought before but in this chap, Seju is wearing bathrobe, even though it's a little bit loose but she's wearing sth and it's night time, time before they go to bed and the morning after, they'll go to work right away, I'm pretty sure there will be no Sungji at that period of time so the constant of reminding Seju to change her clothes right after she just had a bath is weird, cause arent we all wearing just bathrobe after we shower? And change to comfortable clothes a little bit later?
I didn't find it weird as I get changed straight after a shower or bath : P Plus I think Seju is dressing provocatively on purpose, she easily could have gone to get changed before sitting on the couch. Also isn't it better to keep a rule enforced? Even if Sungji is not there.
in those two scenes tho, Sumin is going to be in trouble anyways, she promised Sungji that they will be using totally two different spaces and Seju will be only in her room. so so Sumin.. where should you begin to explain any of that XD
"I'll make sure she doesn't come out of her room as much as possible" Were her words. I wouldn't say she straight up lies, was more a white lie than anything else. Whether either of us agree with white lies is another thing : )
Note: Had to edit this slightly as i missed something in my original reading.
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One more thing, and about afraid of Sungji's misunderstandings, Sumin jumped on to Seju's body will give alot more misunderstandings than Seju with bathrobe =))))), the compromise position they are in will be the death of sumin if sungji appeared. Plus, sumin doesnt stop seju from getting too close or touchy with her in the morning. Dont you find it bipolar? If Sumin's afraid of misunderstandings, physical contacts with Seju should be kept minimal, not like this
I definitely agree with this. She should be keeping it minimal but it's easier to make that judgement from the outside looking in.
I get changed straight after a shower or bath : P
But too be honest i think it was more the way Seju was wearing the bathrobe than anything else. She was very loosely following the rule which Sumin didn't like. Seju is passively seductive
From what I know and in korean dramas, those high class people like Seju, they would wear bathrobe after shower in the evening, doing their nightly routines, apply moiturizer, only after that, they changed. But I agree that Seju's being effortlessly seductive, however this is sth I dont understand too, making her bathrobe loose is to make herself look sexy, but she didnt approach Sumin or get close to her to show her parts which is why she let it loose. Instead, she sat faraway from Sumin with a posture that quite covered herself, leg-crossing. You see, only when she casually lied down and it got loose more, only that we can see that she is letting it loose but Sumin already reminds her before that. I dont get Seju either, so.....hahahahaha
Oh, and about the whole make sure she'll stay at her room as much as possible. To me, yes, it might be a lie to appease Sungji but I wont consider it a white lie =)))))))). That's a lie that could make trust issues between them get worse if Sungji find out so no, i dont consider it as white lie. White lie is more about saying sth not true but it wont have alot damage after. Plus, saying those words just to appease your lover but actually didnt do it is not sth we encourage lovers to do to each other, no matter how small and this particular matter is definitely not small =))))))
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Oh, btw, I want to make this clear though, I'm discussing about this not for the purpose of proving Sumin still loves Seju or being affected by Seju or actually planning some hopes for teampink, well, I dont, I'm not a teampink supporter
What I intend to prove is Sumin's inconsistent actions. She said to Sungji this but doing completely the opposite. She told Seju to wear clothes but let her get too close for comfortable in a flirty manner. In short, I disapprove Sumin's halfass way of dealing with both Sungji and Seju. She's not aggressive enough when necessary with Seju while super unnecessarily aggressive in a useless way with a bathrobe =))))), standing to tie a bathrobe is harder than jumping onto other body? What kind of logic is that? And to Sungji too, saying one thing, doing another, nope, Sumin is definitely not on my favourite list at the moment
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but she didnt approach Sumin or get close to her to show her parts which is why she let it loose.
Which is why i originally said passive rather than active before editing my post.
Maybe white lie is not the word i was looking for. Since she said as much as possible not all the time, if they are caught in the same room it's not technically a lie to me.
My only problem with the whole same space part is that they sleep in separate rooms, so technically they're not always in the same space. Unless space refers to the whole apartment? Or did something get lost in translation? Would have been easier if they had said same room.
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One more thing, and about afraid of Sungji's misunderstandings, Sumin jumped on to Seju's body will give alot more misunderstandings than Seju with bathrobe =))))), the compromise position they are in will be the death of sumin if sungji appeared. Plus, sumin doesnt stop seju from getting too close or touchy with her in the morning. Dont you find it bipolar? If Sumin's afraid of misunderstandings, physical contacts with Seju should be kept minimal, not like this
I definitely agree with this. She should be keeping it minimal but it's easier to make that judgement from the outside looking in.
Like I said earlier, for someone who super aggressively jump onto people to tie a bathrobe, I dont see why she cant swat Seju's hand from her face or taking step back from Seju and tell her to keep distance.
but she didnt approach Sumin or get close to her to show her parts which is why she let it loose.
Which is why i originally said passive rather than active before editing my post.
Maybe white lie is not the word i was looking for. Since she said as much as possible not all the time, if they are caught in the same room it's not technically a lie to me.
My only problem with the whole same space part is that they sleep in separate rooms, so technically they're not always in the same space. Unless space refers to the whole apartment? Or did something get lost in translation? Would have been easier if they had said same room.
The word they used is same space, not "room", I read the raw part so I knew it. If space refers to the whole apartment, its not necessary to say "apart from working hours", arent they already in the same building when they're working? Unless Sumin is talking about after she stops working there? She wont be with Seju in working hours anymore
mmhm .. so whether it was a passive or active seduction.. Sumin was indeed lusting with that gaze <- both sides of the coins leads us here.
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in short, she is not done with Seju romantically as her confession to Sungji, and the sexual part is not done either (at least we agree on some of half-assed behaviour)
next move depends on Sumin.
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over analysing "space" and "room" can be simplified by taking the context, because Sungji then asks if Seju is going to stay only in her room and the conversation continued.
--> Sumin emphasis "renting a room" to make sure Sungji imagine two separate areas in her small apartment.
any ways she uses "same space" rule with Seju. a straight up lie .. and Seju knew it as she heard them talk in the kitchen.
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I can make a list of Sumin lies on Sungji anyways.. so this should not be so shocking
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You both bring up some good points but they just don't fit into the narrative that i'm reading into, so I'm just going to have to agree to disagree with some of these opinions : )
I'm trying not to get into a heavy analysis of an unfinished series and failing to do so need to reel myself back a bit. I'll still give the occasional opinion though but just not as in depth as others : )
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I really look forward to the appearance of a new team leader, whether sungji really fall trapped or he still choose his love that is sungmin, all really hard to predict, may the end of happy story all
Gaji's twitter account has a nice character design, is she the new team leader .. I wonder (of course she won't be blue by then )
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Like an alien
I really look forward to the appearance of a new team leader
Must be a hot gay. But what's the point in introducing a new charecter this late.
whether sungji really fall trapped or he still choose his love that is sungmin
It won't happen unless this new team leader looks just like Sumin.
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