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I guess the person is implying that for something to be of the Yuri genre, it would have to be something that's geared to an audience looking for girl-on-girl related-stuff, meaning the fact that Yuri-stuff is incidental to Murcielago, it shouldn't be considered "Yuri."

I don't really agree with this though, but I guess we all define things differently.

I think that's what the first responder was implying, but not the second. I think the second was referring to the frequent criticism of a particular way of writing female action characters as basically "men with boobs." That is, the author gives them all of the behaviors, vices, strengths, weaknesses, and so on of a male hero, but the form of a sexy woman. Oftentimes she's the token "girl who's as good as the boys" on an otherwise all-male team.

In this case I kinda think the critcism fits - Kuroko lusts after and approaches women sexually in a way that is utterly unrealistic for women to do, and of course has an affinity for causing pain and violence that is also very atypical for women. She behaves in almost every way like a male character in her role would. She's also physically imposing and, of course, by virtue of her pathology, devoid of any of the emotional traits that are often associated with female characters.

But of course, under no circumstances can you pretend this story is striving for anything like realism. Did the Kuroko character have to be a woman? No. Would anything really have changed if she were a man? Other than the Virginal Rose arc, no. Does it matter? Not especially. The artist wanted to draw lesbian sex, and that's just fine with me. :)

This is a very narrow minded way of looking at things. Basic human emotions and morals (or lack of) are not exclusive to any one group of people.

Trying to define a character like Kuroko, who can be a ruthless butcher or a goofy homemaker depending on the page, by some supposed measures of masculinity or femininity is downright comical.

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So women can't openly assault other women, act cruel and in general be pretty void of empathy? So just because that is commonly associated with women every single fictional female character has to have those traits or she is just a "man with boobs"? Also you kinda ruined your entire argument mentioning the fact Kuroko is a psycho. So even if she originally had any of those "women's traits" because she was born with them impaired, her behavior makes perfect sense (ignoring the fact she just could be heartless bitch). Also women can't be tail, well build or intimidating? Again we are basing that whole "how should women look/act" on very narrow and specific criteria.

No. Taken independently, any one trait can of course be found in men and women, we're a big rainbow. I never said she couldn't or shouldn't be any of the things that she is. But the more things that stack up away from relatable behaviors/traits for women, the less relevant it becomes outside of sexual characteristics that she is a woman. This isn't an argument I'm making, I'm just referencing a common feminist criticism of entertainment media.

Kuroko is basically a butch lesbian

Kuroko has no real-life analogue. If any of you know someone like Kuroko... um... run?

Cause really guys, those comments sound more and more really sexist, which is funny because Kuroko is not the first lesbian in manga to act like that, although not as extreme because she didn't try to sleep with all the girls she met, Haruka from Sailor Moon was basically like Kuroko, she flirted with a lot of girls, she not only dressed masculine sometimes, but people even thought she was a man sometimes, so the fact that she was Sailor Uranus aside, should we say that if she was a man it would be all the same thing?

"Flirting" is a very generous way of characterizing how Kuroko acts toward women. And of course she's not the first character to act that way - that's why there's a whole body of thought around the ways that women are characterized in male-oriented movies/tv/comics. No one's saying she "is a man," and it has nothing to do with being masculine or butch, it's about the author either not being able to write women very well, or choosing a rather pandering approach to writing a woman. I'm not sure it matters as more than an intellectual exercise here - it's not that she should be a man or that it's bad that she's a woman, just that when you examine it it's not really relevant to the story.

This is a very narrow minded way of looking at things. Basic human emotions and morals (or lack of) are not exclusive to any one group of people. Trying to define a character like Kuroko, who can be a ruthless butcher or a goofy homemaker depending on the page, by some supposed measures of masculinity or femininity is downright comical.

Again, it's not about whether it's bad or good. The author is free to create whatever kind of character he wants, and if in his story he wants to write about a 6'3" I-cup woman who has remorselessly killed hundreds of people, is utterly emotionless and unflappable in every circumstance, and perceives all beautiful women as sex objects to be lusted after and conquered... well, that's his right. Is that character even remotely realistic? No. I don't personally care, I like the story anyway, it is viscerally satisfying to some very base instincts and is a fun change of pace from standard yuri tropes.

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I think we are all missing the crucial point of that chapter here... Rinko-chan didn't show up ! ; ;

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No. Taken independently, any one trait can of course be found in men and women, we're a big rainbow. I never said she couldn't or shouldn't be any of the things that she is. But the more things that stack up away from relatable behaviors/traits for women, the less relevant it becomes outside of sexual characteristics that she is a woman. This isn't an argument I'm making, I'm just referencing a common feminist criticism of entertainment media.

Sorry but that's irrelevant, a character don't need to be relatable, much less relatable for their gender, people are more than their genders you know, so we can relate with a character independent of their gender.

Kuroko has no real-life analogue. If any of you know someone like Kuroko... um... run?

Wrong, Kuroko has lot's of real life analogue, because she's not just a serial killer, she's not that much one-dimensional that her only characteristic is being a murderer, not to mention that, it's completely irrelevant to her sexuality, she's one of the rare cases where being a lesbian and a psycho are separate, she's not a psycho lesbian, she's not psycho for being a lesbian or lesbian for being a psycho, so we can easily find real life lesbians that are like her, not to mention that, the manga more than showed us that being a serial killer is just one of her traits and there's a lot more in her than just that.

"Flirting" is a very generous way of characterizing how Kuroko acts toward women. And of course she's not the first character to act that way - that's why there's a whole body of thought around the ways that women are characterized in male-oriented movies/tv/comics.

I used Haruka from Sailor Moon as example, the only difference she have with Kuroko in how she acts is that she doesn't sleep around with other girls, besides that she's actually even more masculine than Kuroko, so much that in the manga she was called more than one time as being Michiru boyfriend, and Sailor Moon is obviously female-oriented, and again by your logic, she would be nothing more than a man with boobs, which is pretty offensive as there's a lot of lesbians in real life that act the same way or worse than Kuroko and Haruka.

No one's saying she "is a man," and it has nothing to do with being masculine or butch, it's about the author either not being able to write women very well, or choosing a rather pandering approach to writing a woman. I'm not sure it matters as more than an intellectual exercise here - it's not that she should be a man or that it's bad that she's a woman, just that when you examine it it's not really relevant to the story.

I completely disagree, the manga is full of female characters, way more than male and they're more fleshed out too, in my opinion they're all are well written, also, this of being a man or woman is not relevant for the story, I do agree to a certain extent as that is true for a good part of fiction, a lot of characters and their love interest, if we inverted their genders would not change much of the story, but Kuroko in my opinion was clearly made to be female, just because she don't act in a more cliche or "conventional" way most woman are portrayed in fiction that doesn't make her any less female or change the fact that the story was made with a female protagonist in mind.

Again, it's not about whether it's bad or good. The author is free to create whatever kind of character he wants, and if in his story he wants to write about a 6'3" I-cup woman who has remorselessly killed hundreds of people, is utterly emotionless and unflappable in every circumstance, and perceives all beautiful women as sex objects to be lusted after and conquered... well, that's his right. Is that character even remotely realistic? No. I don't personally care, I like the story anyway, it is viscerally satisfying to some very base instincts and is a fun change of pace from standard yuri tropes.

Sorry but the story also showed a lot that she's not emotionless, as for being unflappable, that is realistic, a lot of people that have experience with combat, life threatening or stressful situations are capable to be like that, as for seeing woman or man as lust object to be conquered, again, that is realistic to a certain extent, there's a lot of people who have that midnset, both man and woman, straight and gay, but Kuroko also made clear that is not just for sex and that she do loves woman that much, her relationship with the female characters made that clear, and she has a girlfriend, which is rare since most people with this mentallity she people as nothing more than object, but we know that she do loves Chiyo, as for her looks, this is a manga, it's obvious she and other characters will be beautiful, it's not uncommon at all for mangas to have inhumanly beautiful characters.

Some said that if she was a man only the Virginal Rose arc would be different, I completely disagree with that, if she was a man she would not be so fun, funny, and goofy as she is, all she do, her reactions, the way she acts, everything, would not be as funny or as interesting if she was a man, not to mention that very rarely a male character is like that, when they're a killer like Kuroko they're pretty much always cool and stoic, use sarcasm, or other types of actions to be funny, a good example is Alucard, he's not that much different from Kuroko except for the fact that she tries to sleep with lots of woman and is goofy, if she was also a man she would not be full of things to give to girls, one of them being the dildo she used to destroy that camera, it would not be a knife if she was a man cause she don't walk around armed.

Also, in case some of you didn't notice, the mangaka is a woman, so you can't really use much the argument that they don't know how woman are, since you know, the author is one.

For me it's pretty clear that all this whining is biased opinions because of double standards, the way Kuruko is badass and fight, it's not uncommon in manga for woman to be that badass and violent, you can't really compare to real life, as how she acts toward woman, not only what some of you say is sexist but is also machist, because it's basic double standard that it's normal for man be violent and so real woman are not, or that it's normal and sometimes even expected that some man will try to sleep with countless girls and are even praised for doing that sometimes, but if a woman do that, not only she's not seeing as being a "real woman", but she's also seeing as a slut or whore and as bein easy to get, but there is a lot of straight and lesbian woman who flirt and sleep around a lot, so I don't see what's the problem with Kuroko being like that.

One last thing, as for how woman is portrayed in male-oriented media, I don't think it apply to Murcielago, because most mangas that are male-oriented not only don't use female as main character, it's always a guy getting all the girls, they're also full of fanservice, but not only Murcielago is not really a harem, but it barely has fanservice, it's even being some time since we saw Kuroko having sex, now if you want manga obviously made to pander guys, go read Sekirei, not only the girls are nothing special, it's full of fanservice, and something that most people don't know, it's made by a woman, Bayonetta suffered the same thing, how a lot said it can only be made by a man, but her character design is also made by a woman.

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Also, in case some of you didn't notice, the mangaka is a woman, so you can't really use much the argument that they don't know how woman are, since you know, the author is one.

No, it's a man.

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Tiroskan
Really? Strange, I was sure I read somewhere it was a woman, thanks anyway.

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What is with this website and people who have to be right and cannot accept any viewpoints other than their own? "Welcome to internet forums" I guess...

Sorry but that's irrelevant, a character don't need to be relatable

How is it objectively irrelevant that many women find the way female characters are depicted in male-oriented media to be problematic?

Wrong, Kuroko has lot's of real life analogue, because she's not just a serial killer

I wasn't even talking about her killing, but for that matter the most prolific American serial killer had "only" 49 victims; there really isn't an analogue to someone like Kuroko on that front. I was talking about your assertion that her behavior is characteristic of "butch" lesbians. How many women do you know in real life who run around like horny teenage boys trying to sleep with every woman they see, ogling their bodies, molesting them, and spending their free time watching porn? You seem determined to believe that women like her exist - I'm here to tell you, they don't. She's an over-the-top fantasy character in a fictitious world, and should be enjoyed on that level.

I completely disagree, the manga is full of female characters, way more than male and they're more fleshed out too, in my opinion they're all are well written, also

The fact that the manga features largely female characters doesn't have any bearing on whether or not Kuroko is written believably as a woman. But if you think she is, no skin off my back.

Sorry but the story also showed a lot that she's not emotionless, as for being unflappable, that is realistic, a lot of people that have experience with combat, life threatening or stressful situations are capable to be like that,

I present to you:

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/murcielago_ch18#7

Even people who perform well in high-stress situations (e.g. combat) have to deal with or utilize the effects of stress/adrenaline. A person whose very heartbeat doesn't change flying out the window of a skyscraper is utterly fiction. And those very same people often suffer terribly for the things they have to do and witness (heard of PTSD?)

I think it's natural for the author to humanize Kuroko as he goes along. The readers feel more affection for her and we want good things for her. This story is more Seinfeld ("no hugs, no lessons") than most so I don't think we're going to see her change completely, but I think the attachment/feelings she is developing for Chiyo are new for her. (Despite her incessant, relentless womanizing on the side).

Also, in case some of you didn't notice, the mangaka is a woman, so you can't really use much the argument that they don't know how woman are, since you know, the author is one.

No.

https://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=11622

but it barely has fanservice,

Fanservice is not synonymous with sex scenes (of which there are still at least one every volume). Kuroko's busty frame falling out of her patent-leather minidress these chapters? That's service too. All the busty schoolgirls talking about their breasts? Service. This: http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/murcielago_ch42#5 Service. But so? I don't want the leopard to change its spots. People who don't want to read a servicey story filled with gory violence shouldn't be reading Murcielago. It's not for them. You don't have to do contortions to try to pretend that this is highbrow entertainment - just accept and enjoy the blunt instrument that it is.

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Sooo, what are people complaining about exactly? About the fact that this is yuri or not or that Kuro is not female enough?

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The short version is, someone said they didn't consider this "yuri" because the story would not be any different if the main character were a man. I thought that was an interesting point and reminded me of some criticism I'd read elsewhere that I thought would be relevant to discuss in this context. And a bunch of people decided that was somehow an attack on the merits of the series and brought out the torches and pitchforks.

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mmm petty pseudo-intellectual bickering.
the internet strikes again!

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Tiroskan
Really? Strange, I was sure I read somewhere it was a woman, thanks anyway.

"an anon found some old board for hiring assistants with a note saying female assistants can't stay over at the author's house and consider that proof"
- 4chan

Apparently people did think he was a woman for a quite a while though. I think it used to say Female on mangaupdates.

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Tiroskan
Really? Strange, I was sure I read somewhere it was a woman, thanks anyway.

"an anon found some old board for hiring assistants with a note saying female assistants can't stay over at the author's house and consider that proof"
- 4chan

Apparently people did think he was a woman for a quite a while though. I think it used to say Female on mangaupdates.

I think it might have, yeah
I don't really know what the quote about not staying over is supposed to mean tho

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Tiroskan
Really? Strange, I was sure I read somewhere it was a woman, thanks anyway.

"an anon found some old board for hiring assistants with a note saying female assistants can't stay over at the author's house and consider that proof"
- 4chan

Apparently people did think he was a woman for a quite a while though. I think it used to say Female on mangaupdates.

I think it might have, yeah
I don't really know what the quote about not staying over is supposed to mean tho

Presumably it would be inappropriate for a woman to stay over at a man's house.

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Tiroskan
Really? Strange, I was sure I read somewhere it was a woman, thanks anyway.

"an anon found some old board for hiring assistants with a note saying female assistants can't stay over at the author's house and consider that proof"
- 4chan

Apparently people did think he was a woman for a quite a while though. I think it used to say Female on mangaupdates.

I think it might have, yeah
I don't really know what the quote about not staying over is supposed to mean tho

Presumably it would be inappropriate for a woman to stay over at a man's house.

aaaaahh ok i see i see, thanks for the clarification

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I guess the person is implying that for something to be of the Yuri genre, it would have to be something that's geared to an audience looking for girl-on-girl related-stuff, meaning the fact that Yuri-stuff is incidental to Murcielago, it shouldn't be considered "Yuri."

I don't really agree with this though, but I guess we all define things differently.

I think that's what the first responder was implying, but not the second. I think the second was referring to the frequent criticism of a particular way of writing female action characters as basically "men with boobs." That is, the author gives them all of the behaviors, vices, strengths, weaknesses, and so on of a male hero, but the form of a sexy woman. Oftentimes she's the token "girl who's as good as the boys" on an otherwise all-male team.

In this case I kinda think the critcism fits - Kuroko lusts after and approaches women sexually in a way that is utterly unrealistic for women to do, and of course has an affinity for causing pain and violence that is also very atypical for women. She behaves in almost every way like a male character in her role would. She's also physically imposing and, of course, by virtue of her pathology, devoid of any of the emotional traits that are often associated with female characters.

But of course, under no circumstances can you pretend this story is striving for anything like realism. Did the Kuroko character have to be a woman? No. Would anything really have changed if she were a man? Other than the Virginal Rose arc, no. Does it matter? Not especially. The artist wanted to draw lesbian sex, and that's just fine with me. :)

Hummm I don't agree (your opinion is respectful, I just share the mine). I think the manga will be totally different in that case. I love murcielago and Kuroko because she is crazy, she loves murder, she is in apparence a woman like some characters, fine but for moments... She said things that I can't imagine in a men, because... I don't know how to say it but in the manga appear crazy men and they haven't something dark but not with murders or something like that... Like, with her life's vision. I don't think all she do and her life's vision could fit fine in a men because that madness fits better in a woman (on other hand, it's clearly she could go into men but I preffer the manga and Kuroko like it is now :P yuri power!)

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Surprise, It's me! Your Long lost whatever, who was betrayed and blah blah blah.
#predicting the future

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Never change dynasty scans. Never change

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Anybody know if the author has explained the reason for the title of the series? Have we seen Hinako drive a Murcielago yet? Or is it a reference to Kuu-chan (murcielago = bat)? Or something else...

You wanna go back to chapter 0-10...

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Tamahime

What is with this website and people who have to be right and cannot accept any viewpoints other than their own? "Welcome to internet forums" I guess...

As if you're not pretty much doing the same, don't get all defensive now and try to play victim, cause no one here is attacking you.

Sorry but that's irrelevant, a character don't need to be relatable

How is it objectively irrelevant that many women find the way female characters are depicted in male-oriented media to be problematic?

First of all, it's irrelevant because we're talking about Murcielago, not about male-oriented media in general, and second, like I said before, just because a character is female, or male for that matter, that don't mean they need to be relatable to their gender, or relatable at all.

I wasn't even talking about her killing, but for that matter the most prolific American serial killer had "only" 49 victims; there really isn't an analogue to someone like Kuroko on that front.

Country is irrelevant, and serial killer with highest number had 138 proven victims, possibly a lot more, and if you didn't talk about her killing, why did you say that if we meet someone like Kuroko we need to run? Because besides her being a serial killer there's no reason to run away from her.

I was talking about your assertion that her behavior is characteristic of "butch" lesbians. How many women do you know in real life who run around like horny teenage boys trying to sleep with every woman they see, ogling their bodies, molesting them, and spending their free time watching porn? You seem determined to believe that women like her exist - I'm here to tell you, they don't. She's an over-the-top fantasy character in a fictitious world, and should be enjoyed on that level

Again double standards, why it need to be compared to horny teenage boys? You think teenage girls can't be horny? And people don't even need to be teenagers to be horny, there's a lot of people of both genders and varied sexualities that are adults and horny, woman can also ogle anyone they find attractive, can molest people, and can watch porn in their free time, independent of their sexuality, woman like that can and do exist, just because it's unlikely that don't mean none exist, there's over 7 billion people in the world with more or less half being female, which makes even easier to exist woman like that even if it's minority, also, I never said that those things that make Kuroko a butch lesbian, not to mention that's not all she does.

Also, who are you to say if some kind of people exist or not? Don't try to say that you're a woman, lesbian or butch lesbian because that don't give you the right to deny the existence of anyone just because you think they don't exist, but the main problem with what you said is that you outright admit that she's an over-the-top fantasy character in a fictitious world and should be enjoyed on that level, so why the hell are you complaing that she's not realistic? It don't even need to be her, you won't find real life analogue of any over-the-top character, but that don't mean that you can't find a realistic real life analogue for them.

The fact that the manga features largely female characters doesn't have any bearing on whether or not Kuroko is written believably as a woman. But if you think she is, no skin off my back.

It has bearing because you said that "it's about the author either not being able to write women very well, or choosing a rather pandering approach to writing a woman", I mentioned the other female characters because it shows he knows how to write female characters, and that if he wanted a pandering approach then the other characters would be to for pandering too, as for being believably as a woman, what, you think she would be believably as a man? Kuroko gender is completely irrelevant because she's not a believably human, same for other characters here.

I present to you:

http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/murcielago_ch18#7

Even people who perform well in high-stress situations (e.g. combat) have to deal with or utilize the effects of stress/adrenaline. A person whose very heartbeat doesn't change flying out the window of a skyscraper is utterly fiction. And those very same people often suffer terribly for the things they have to do and witness (heard of PTSD?)

Again you're trying to compare a over-the-top character with real life, it don't even need to be a over-the-top character at all, a lot of manga has unrealistic battle or actions, or high-stress situations and a lot of times the characters who are even normal humans don't react in any reaslitic manner at all, first of all it don't need to be combat to be a high-stress situation or to get PTSD, and people sometimes don't even suffer from PTSD after a high-stress situation, there's a lot of professions that have a lot of high-stress situation and people learn to deal with them, after some time they might not even react to them at all, medics are a good example, and second and most important, Kuroko is not a normal human, she's a psychopath, or sociopath, something like that, a lot of them are completely calm and controlled just like Kuroko, either because they're born like that or because they learned it, not to mention people who are born with or get brain damage, and in case you don't know sometimes Reality Is Unrealistic

I think it's natural for the author to humanize Kuroko as he goes along. The readers feel more affection for her and we want good things for her. This story is more Seinfeld ("no hugs, no lessons") than most so I don't think we're going to see her change completely, but I think the attachment/feelings she is developing for Chiyo are new for her. (Despite her incessant, relentless womanizing on the side).

I don't really think she changed at all, rather we're just seeing more of her, and if any feelings are new it would be mostly her reaction of maybe losing Chiyo, the story implied or outright said, I don't remember, that they're going out for quite some time and that her feelings for Chiyo are genuine, as for humanizing Kuroko, if it's all just to show her in a more humane way then we would not have seeing her raping a girl with a umbrella and then killing she and her two friends, all who are schoolgirls who didn't pose any threat to her.

No.

https://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=11622

As someone already pointed out, even mangaupdates said it was female, so it's not a surprise I thought it was.

Fanservice is not synonymous with sex scenes (of which there are still at least one every volume). Kuroko's busty frame falling out of her patent-leather minidress these chapters? That's service too. All the busty schoolgirls talking about their breasts? Service. This: http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/murcielago_ch42#5 Service. But so? I don't want the leopard to change its spots. People who don't want to read a servicey story filled with gory violence shouldn't be reading Murcielago. It's not for them. You don't have to do contortions to try to pretend that this is highbrow entertainment - just accept and enjoy the blunt instrument that it is.

I never said fanservice is synonymous of sex scene, I pointed them out because they're the more blatant fanservice we saw, what I said is that the manga barely has fanservice, the fact that you took a page that has no relevance to the story kind of confirm what I said, but about busty schoolgirls talking about their breasts, so what? Girls can't talk about their breasts anymore without being only for fanservice? And about Kuroko looks, so basically, what you're saying is that Kuroko can never use nice clothes without being for fanservice? And it's not even just Kuroko, most girls are pretty busty and voluptuous, the mangaka could have easily filled it with fanservice if he wanted, but they all dress normally as someone would in real life, even Kuroko new outfit is nothing special or exaggerated, it's something that anyone could use.

The short version is, someone said they didn't consider this "yuri" because the story would not be any different if the main character were a man. I thought that was an interesting point and reminded me of some criticism I'd read elsewhere that I thought would be relevant to discuss in this context. And a bunch of people decided that was somehow an attack on the merits of the series and brought out the torches and pitchforks.

First of all, no one attacked you or brought out the torches and pitchforks, I disagree with this not being yuri and I don't think it would work as well with a male character, I even agreed that countless series we could change the main characters genders with few changes to the plot, the only reason I posted is because you and others implied, maybe not on purpose, or outright said that the only reason this manga is not really yuri and would be the same with a male character is because Kuroko is "not woman enough" or "not a real woman but a man with boobies", which in my opinion is bullshit, for me Kuroko is obviously a woman and she would not be the same as a man, now if you felt attacked by me then I'm sorry, because it was not my intention, if you didn't try to say that Kuroko is "not woman enough" or "not a real woman but a man with boobies" then you should word your posts better, because you can't imply or say something like that and expect to have good reactions.

Well, that was big as always, sorry for the wait, I couldn't do it before.

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This: http://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/murcielago_ch42#5 Service.

Wow you guys are still having that massive discussion about i dont remember what
But just saying that as a girl, and just appreciating art in general, I kinda found that to be pretty hot and kinda really well drawn with the perspective and the title written across her body
Like, wow

Basically idk what you guys are talking about anymore but yup totally fanservice but damn is it nice sometimes tho

joined Jul 22, 2014

Looks like the Murciélago manga will be release by Yen press

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omfg, that's great, I'm hyped
Will it be physical copies? (cus they sometimes do digital only iirc)

Hamansteam2
joined Jan 31, 2013

Oh that's really cool.

I think Murciélago has a higher chance of physical copies than Saki does.

I_whosonline
joined Oct 18, 2015

Murcielago has changed the tide since this new arc until chapter55.

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joined Sep 21, 2014

Also, I just saw the first page of Shizuru's Notebook, and it says "her" young magazine debut, so...?

It's either a scanlator mistake, or just what it's supposed to be.
It's just a pen name.
It's like how the author of Fullmetal Alchemist is a woman but she uses a male pen name, and passes off as a man in the lil author notes.
If the author uses x pen name and is trying to pass off as/imply to be x gender, it makes sense that the magazine or whatever notes referring to them use the corresponding words, no?

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