I'm honestly surprised to see so many people side with Adachi having a full blown meltdown over Shimamura hanging out with an other friend. Honestly through the entire story, Adachi possesiveness and the entire one sidedness of their relationship creep me out.
I wouldn't really say it's "over shimamura hanging out with someone else" alone, more of a straw broke the camels back situation. Granted, I don't really think it's Shimamura's fault that it happened, but that stuff has been building up in Adachi for a good while.
I still see both character's situation, been there done that with both the meltdown and telling someone else to basically fuck off and the discussion on this thread has been fun to read so far with how split the opinions are on kinda who's "right or wrong".
So with that in mind I find it perfectly in character for her to not feel like dealing with a hysteric, blubbering Adachi in that moment.
If you can't be bothered when a friend is clearly in pain then you're not much of a friend. So realistically things would be pretty much over at this point, and rightfully so.
Yes you've figured it out, bravo, this is two people who are not exactly in an healthy friendship. Adachi is obsessive, Shimamura doesn't care about much. It's not like Adachi has the mental to be like "well Shimamura doesn't seem to care about me, I should stop having her in my life" if she did she wouldn't have been a crying mess on the phone in the first place.
This was incredibly uncomfortable jfc. Especially as someone who can relate to adachi there, the guilt of letting it out but also being unable to contain it past a point and that answer from shimamura, probs would've puked too. And I don't blame Shimamura becaus Ive also answered like that before.
I hope the atmosphere clears out after a few chapters after this, the oppressive feeling throughout this manga and it blowing up totally here, it'd be unfortunate to return to the previous status. Doubt the situation will resolve in a chapter, but once it does a slight tone shift would be nice
That Marika is a brat and Aya is a brat tamer. I did this with my ex. The important thing in BDSM is to have a safe word, which they do mention in the light novel.
I wish that the scanlator could educate people like in the translator notes about brats and brat tamers.
Um, you're free to have whatever headcanon you like to justify enjoying noncon if it makes you feel better, but let's not make things up and then tell off the translators for not appending your headcanon to the release. This interpretation is entirely in your head. They never mention anything about safe words or BDSM at any point.
So much this. Even knowing that kind of dynamic exists, why ever assume that's what was intended to be portrayed there without prior mention of anything that alludes to it?
Am I missing a few chapters? I don't see the big bad drama.
Yes, Aya's confused and shocked that her "Onii-san" is actually a girl, but that's pretty much it. She's not fallen into depression from it (yet?). Her world isn't falling apart (yet?). It's only just started to sink in, we don't even know her reaction to it, really. We've had two pages/*four panels* for her to react to it. This is being blown so out of proportion...
Arguing from the basis that Mitsuki has "deliberately misled another person in a way she knew, or should've known, would cause them great pain if they found out (as we saw happen in this very chapter)" is grossly misrepresenting what we've been shown (so far).
Asserting that it's "purely in order to preserve this pseudo-friendship pseudo-romance thing she had going on with her" is likewise ludicrous. The more likely explanation is how incredibly awkward fixing the situation would be for Mitsuki, who you might have noticed isn't the most outgoing and self-confident type.
There's a reason people stay in the closet for years or keep presenting as their assigned gender despite being trans, and it's not in order to deliberately mislead people in a way that would cause them "grievous harm". It's to avoid a presumably incredibly awkward situation that might amount to a social catastrophe.
(come on, we need only a couple more posts to hit 1800!)
Drama already happened a dozen pages ago or so, it just happened again over the same topic lol.
And chiming in as a trans women, I present like a guy cause it's easier for me atm, that'll eventually change but whatever. If people assume im a guy and are interested in me well too fucking bad for them lol like they're not entitled to any information + it'd be akward as fuck depending on context. The context for Mitsuki ( yes I know not trans before someone inevitably points it out ) would be incredibly akward for someone who doesn't seem to be the most socially at ease person. As it's been pointed out before, she tried to clear up the misunderstanding once and kinda fucked it up, and like do you all really see yourself going to someone you occasionally see at the store you work with "yeah uh so, I've noticed you're crushing on me and fyi im not a dude." like that'd be such an akward and uncomfortable moment for anyone, nonetheless someone who's not the biggest social butterfly out there. Idk why people need that shit spelled out to them, there's no ill intent it's just an akward ass situation lol idk why people are up in arms about morality and shit, the story hasn't even really made a big (negative) deal about it so far.
On the topic of fashion I know nothing about it but they look good and people who disagree with me are incorrect >:)
Still this uncanny suffocating feeling present all throughout
My bet is that it's gonna feel this way until Shimamura realizes or feels the same way, but this manga has an odd schedule ... I was like "yaaayy finally we're past the anime and previous manga!" but now the releases (from the source) became sporadic
Yeah probably, it's just a really strange feeling that this manga specifically has. It feels strange that this story gives that feel, while usually things like it don't. Probs has to do with the panneling and art on top of the story. In any case, the people working on the manga are doing a p damn good job.
I just redead the whole series, and the last two chapter did feel pretty abrupt with them inviting her to live with them and the instant resolve of her "What's romantic love and who should I choose?" although the way it was done with the nightmare and all was fine tbf. Chapter 31 could've been split into two chapters to give more time to see some thinking happen, but it flows fine enough reading through the whole thing again.
And this overall thread (not specifically the post I'm quoting) is a good example of why general forum discussions of morality often become such a dead-end in terms of critical discourse (if not indeed interpersonal dumpster fires). In another forum here on Dynasty there was just a post objecting to people (implicitly, people like me) "negging" on the "who's right/who's wrong/who is a good person/who is a bad person/don't do this at home because it's bad" approach to discussion, saying it's just as legitimate (or useful, or whatever) as anything else.
My objection to the whole approach is that, at best, it stops paying attention to the text that's the supposed topic of discussion, and at worst devolves into people pressing the autoplay button in their heads in order to make a bunch of generalizations about the real-life implications of whatever morality/behavioral issue they're talking about. (Of course I'm not saying that people shouldn't be allowed to discuss such topics; I'm just saying that I personally don't see much value in critical dead ends and interpersonal dumpster fires.)
Brides of Iberis is notable (so far) for featuring a bisexual and polyamorous character who isn't depicted with the various negative characteristics often associated with such characters in yuri manga (i.e., emotionally confused, in denial, manipulative, etc.), making Tsuzuki (to me) one of the more striking and interesting characters to come along in quite a while. That would seem to make for plenty of things to discuss about this series and how it might relate to other specific manga series or genres.
(cutting some of the quoting to not have a gigantic comment.)
I agree that it'd be better to just talk about the manga instead of derail in other things, and recognize that im often(?) part of the people who end up doing some amount of derailing which I've tried and will keep trying to work on. It's just a pain in the ass to see things that are pretty negative and based on stereotype or whatever and the urge to say something about it is pretty strong sigh.
About the manga though, I'm really glad it has not portrayed that kind of bisexual character which the first chapter kinda felt like it would go in that direction. I'm really glad it ended up not going there and instead not potraying Tsuzuki in a bad light. It gives more room for the story to explore more interesting territories and so far it's been really interesting to see the confusion Mitsuki has been going through with at first thinking Tsuzuki was cheating, which funnily enough mirrors part of the audiance, and now her having been the one who probably stepped out of the boundaries of her own relationship with jun. Really curious to see where she will go from there, because even in the case she breaks up with jun, given the things we've seen so far it doesn't quite seem like she'd be okay entering the polyamours type relationship Tsuzuki is in even though she has strong feelings for her.
Maybe those stories are more rare because they more rarely work out in reality? Most people who say they're bisexual are often in a pretty darn straight looking relationship, and can't be bothered to foster a long-term poly one. They usually just want a fling. And being in a straight relationship is easier to come by then a gay one.
That's a take so hot you could only have found it in a pile of burning trash.
Dynasty being constructive as usual.
Maybe, just maybe, there shouldn't be the need to be constructive about people delegitimizing being bisexual with the same bullshit discourse of "oh well you're not actually bi if you're in a het relationship" and when you're in a gay relationship you're just too pussy to say you're gay.
Like literally what this is saying is "most people who say they're bi" aren't actually bi because they're in a relationship that looks very straight. And that is an absolute dogshit take that shouldn't exist anymore. "Can't be bothered to foster a long term poly one" is also such a stupid take. Just because you're sexually and or romantically interested in multiple gender doesn't mean you want to be in a relationship with multiple at once. Being bi doesn't mean you want to be in a poly relationship. Like this sentence is just nonsense being in a straight or gay relationship has absolutely no fucking bearing on wether you want to develop a poly one. + The people who "just want a fling" generally are actually the middle aged straight people with a failing marriage who want a (younger) bi women for a threesome to spice up their dead sex life. Saying "you don't wanna be poly you just want a fling" is a stupid take.
Also, everybody can want to have casual sex, and this stereotype that bi people only want to fuck, are players or cheaters is an idea that does belong in a pile of burning trash.
Some of y'all really need to take a second and think about the garbage ideas you have about bisexuality and bi people.
Painting her feelings as something like that of a fan and her idol isn't right either. The author uses the word 恋心. It's pretty unambiguously romantic, and her actions clearly indicate she's interested in dating, not just admiring from a distance. It's not the fever induced delusion of the readers when the uncle is written to even read it this way.
The question is whether it will stay that way once she finds out the truth, or if we'll go the "My feelings of like are different because we are girls" route. I'll echo the sentiment earlier that usually when authors start waxing poetic about the definition of yuri or if their work is something more complicated than that, it's usually not a good sign. But given that the author seems to actually draw gay stuff and isn't Ryukishi trying to make Higurashi Gou seem super deep, I'll reserve my thoughts until the end.
Yeah p much. Wether or not it ends up as a romance story the biggest disappointement would be some stupid cop out of not explicitly saying they're gay. If it ends up as friendship and looks like it after Aya figures out mitsuki isn't a guy sure, if it ends up as romance sure, but some weird bullshit would suck ass.