Serenata posted:

So the deal was that even thought the word itself was never used, it fits the character so is all good either way, right? I can understand both sides of the arguments but I do agree that is pretty stupid to complain like that and call it an insult to the creator when is obviously something that bothers him in a personal level.

To be frank, Lily being trans is pretty blatant in this episode, whatever word trans is used or anyone specifically spells it out. I would hesitate to even say it was only subtlety suggested. And translation was 100% correct, so it was all in the text, so that person claiming it wasn't and CR was twisting the meaning to something else, was a complete lie to support their stand. Also like person from twitter that Rosenakahara linked said, word transgender doesn't even exist in japan in the first place and isn't something commonly used, so them not using it isn't trying to keep things ambiguous. Sure, Lily never said "I want to be a girl", but considering everything else she said (and dying from shock of growing facial hair), can you really say otherwise?

I understand why she refers to herself in third person all the time, they wanted to keep it secret if she used atashi or boku... But I should've seen it coming, when you see a character trying extra hard to appear moe, is probably cross-dressing.

Well, she could simply use watashi, but it would probably be still seen as more girly. And talking about yourself in third person is not that weird. For teenagers it would look as if they try to appear cuter and maybe a bit pretentious, but it is very common thing for kids to do, especially girls. Also I noticed it is also pretty common with trans characters, as a way to constantly affirm their new name and put focus on it, so people will use it. Also she wasn't really trying to act more moe, she acts like very energetic kid, which is not weird for her age as well as she is using a very feminine and childish way of talking. To me it appears more as just her natural personality.

Rosenakahara posted:

If Lily was just a regular anime trap the name in the credits would have been Masao-kun

Idk, I think they would credit trap character by name they are using, but it is irrelevant anyway.

Ok so I checked again. She complains father only cares about Lily that appears on TV and not real her. She was throwing a fit that she grown leg hair and it was recorded on TV. When father said it was just sign of her growing up, she said she will never grown up. Father says "you can't look like that forever". She says she can and doesn't want to look like father. Died from mental shock, because she saw black facial hair, which we can clearly see as well. Saki laughs when hearing she died because of mustache. When asked what happens now, she replies that "From now on Lily will be Lily. Zombie don't grow up after all. There is nothing to be scared off anymore." When asking manager if he know, he asks "What? Does that mean Masao can't be anymore in their female idol group then?" Then they droll over her talk how cute she is and how they never noticed despite spending so much time next to each other. Saki speaks in dialect, so catching her is a bit harder, but if I got it right, she says something like "Who cares? Whatever she has something attached or not." CR went with junk, which is pretty fitting here imo. And they again talk how they're zombie and will never change so "Lily is Lily. We're never going to change."

So yea. Upon reflection CR translation was spot on and it really just feel like some transphobic person throwing a fit, because they didn't like having trans character in their animu.

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Rosenakahara posted:

Rosenakahara posted:

https://twitter.com/BrandenHarned/status/1066215291942653952

so apparently crunchyroll done a goof.
I'm just gonna go end myself rn I don't know why I thought I would actually get any representation and have it not be lies like always

Wow, I can see Lily being trans, but it not being explicitly stated, but wow, changing translation to fit your interpretation, that is just bs. I thought it only affected their dub and not sub. I don't go out of my way to find CR subs, but nowadays most sites simply use their translation. Damn now it made me want to be more aware of it and avoid their translations...

On second thought maybe not, going through this guys tweets they're very clearly "anti SJW" and I found a different interpretation that heavily supports lily being actually trans.
https://twitter.com/tropicalesque/status/1066133526146367488?s=09

Maybe CR just changed it so it was more obvious to non japanese audiences?

Yea, now that I think about it, her being trans didn't really clash with presentation of the anime. I wasn't paying that much attention to jps dialogue, but it didn't feel like translation was off. And stuff like being forever young and never change or her dying of mental shock from growing facial hair, just doesn't fit to "I simply dislike my name". I'd need to rewatch this episode and actually pay attention what characters are saying, but it really didn't seem off for Lily to be trans.

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Rosenakahara posted:

https://twitter.com/BrandenHarned/status/1066215291942653952

so apparently crunchyroll done a goof.
I'm just gonna go end myself rn I don't know why I thought I would actually get any representation and have it not be lies like always

Wow, I can see Lily being trans, but it not being explicitly stated, but wow, changing translation to fit your interpretation, that is just bs. I thought it only affected their dub and not sub. I don't go out of my way to find CR subs, but nowadays most sites simply use their translation. Damn now it made me want to be more aware of it and avoid their translations...

EDIT/ Wait, but then what about facial hair scene and her dying of mental shock? How does this fit into her not being trans?

last edited at Nov 24, 2018 8:42AM

kiby posted:

Do any of you seriously think it's Rintarou's "fault" that Yuki has a crush on him, and that only HE should "be happy when his loved one is happy"? Why couldn't Akari sacrifice HER happiness for Yuki's happiness, especially when Yuki has shown no romantic interest in her?

I never said he should be the only one to do it. I was simply giving a explanation why "trying to hook up person you love with someone else" might not be something retarded to do.

And they're not dating

Well, I'm using my farseeing skills (aka spoilers), so my opinion is biased. I don't know exact details, but I know for a fact that they will date and fuck, so it influences my opinion.

Ok, I went back and checked spoilers again. Apparently they don't fuck, they were 1 step from doing it though. They still date for majority of manga and everyone only gets hurt at the end. Also no yuri ending.

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schuyguy posted:

In her defense, it's not like she was planning ahead about how she'd ask for advice.

Yea. I was just wondering in general, since this is so common in manga.

thecronosone posted:

I still think it's his fault, because, ultimately, he's as selfish as Yuki.

He appears to be a nice guy, but he never tries to really understand or solve her problem. He just sticks around her like glue, looking for an opening and spouting vague words of support.

A genuine nice guy would have tried to hook her up with Yuki once he understood where her feelings were.

For me, all of his bullshit good will is just self serving, because he wants to go out with her AND feel good about himself.

Yuki is no better actually.

Okay, I'm maybe a little harsh, but whatever :P

Yeah if he isn't making his loved one get together with another person he's a bad guy... right.

How you ever heard of idea that happiness of your loved one is the most important thing? If you don't want to seem them happy, then can you really say you love them? She doesn't want to go out with him, she wants Yuki. She is only forcing herself to date him to forget about her. If he really would love her, he would notice it and try to help her instead of trying to take advantage of situation and scoring as many points as possible, hoping she will fall for him instead.

BugDevil posted:

I love how Harumi isn't even pretending that it's a friend's friend's friend anymore and just said "I couldn't grope her boobs!"

Has anyone ever used it to actually get a advice for a friend? And is there anyone who doesn't immediately assume they are talking about themselves?

Tsuki-chan posted:

I installed Dynasty Tagifier but still can't manage to create the tags. How do I do that? For example "handholding"

I only use Thingifier so I don't know. In the future, it would be best to just ask in scripts thread.

Nya-chan posted:

Tags are added by enclosing your word in backquotes: `

I'm not sure that is what they are asking about, but since I never used Tagifier, I don't know if it requires you to type actual tags for it to work.

Alice Cheshire posted:

both of which i'd like to migrate over to this.

It would be cool to implement Dynasty Title Rethingifier into Thingifier as well.

White Rose posted:

Wow. I didn't even know those existed. Thankies!

You're welcome ;3

JasmineTJB posted:

JasmineTJB posted:

Oh man, we dodged a bullet there. I would have hated this series for going down the "fake relationship to make love interest jealous" route but It's still kinda doing it but with less consequences so I still like this series.

Instead it will go fake relationship for the sake of fake relationship. They will fuck a lot.

What the heck, bad end. Rintourou doesn't seem like a good guy anymore.

From what I understand from spoilers, it is more Akari forcing herself into relationship with him to forget Yuki. So it isn't like it's his fault. Doesn't change the fact that is mine reason many people dropped reading this one. They do split at some point, for some reason, but after it there is time skip and Yuki and Akari just meets after 7 years or so, but there is no implication of them getting together. I don't remember all details, so if you want to have clearer picture, it's better for you to find spoilers in this thread and read them yourself.

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Idk when it happened. I only noticed it recently. Opening quote in new tab (I'm using middle mouse button to do it in firefox), has again (cos I think it happened before) a bug where instead of using username and link to post I quote, it link to previous person I quote instead. Quoting using the same tab doesn't have this issue.

White Rose posted:

This is totally a silly question, but... Nevri, how did you get those words "BugDevil posted:" to appear at the top of your quote?

I'm using Dynasty Thingifier

BugDevil posted:

Woah woah, did you take the "sweating buckets" comment literally?

Of course not xD I was just using it as a phrase. I didn't even remember you used it.

So it's not like I don't understand the need.

Well I was only arguing that it isn't something pointless to do, so I'm fine with leaving our little dispute at that.

And thanks to that trope, we can have sexy sweat wiping scenes in mangos so I think that is the most important part.

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BugDevil posted:

Yes you need to sweat it out, but you also can't stay in bed all wet entire day. At some point you need to wipe yourself, because gathered sweat will naturally get colder. Remember that the main point of sweating is to lower your bodies temperature.

That's why I mentioned the hot bath (including changing clothes of course). Sweat also tends to dry up. As long as you are below the blanket you will stay warm... I mean we all were sick before so I don't need to tell you this lol

Of course you can just go get a bath and change cloths. But I was talking about situation, when you don't and just keep on staying in bed. You seem to underestimated sweat. If you sweat a bucket, it will lower your temperature significantly, especially if you're getting better, so even if you're under blanket, you will still feel cold. It will be as if you got splashed with cold water and then went under blanket wet, expecting it to warm you up. And yes, I was sick before lol, a lot in fact, and I do change my cloths after spending half a day in bed to get ride of the sweat.

BugDevil posted:

Yeah, I don't get the Japanese obsession with wiping sweat in these scenarios tho. If someone is sick they need to sleep and sweat it out. Then they can take a warm bath and go back to resting more.
You don't get cold under the blanket even if you sweat buckets. lol

Yes you need to sweat it out, but you also can't stay in bed all wet entire day. At some point you need to wipe yourself, because gathered sweat will naturally get colder. Remember that the main point of sweating is to lower your body's temperature.

Nene posted:

And biphobia is a thing.

Just to clarify. I never claimed it wasn't.

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Verne posted:

Kokoro doesn't seem to realize they're having sex, while Misaki seems hesitant to actually spell it out loud and chooses to be manipulative rather than educative.

Well she is feeling embarrassed by having to explain even the most basic concepts to Kokoro and she knows it might not even really register with her, if she just try to describe it, so the best way was to just do it. And in the end sex is all about touching each other and feeling good. There isn't really 1 way to do it and most of it happens in the moment, so she really couldn't explain it better than she did "I'll touch you in various places". It feels like what bothers you is the fact, she didn't use word sex. And explaining everything as they go is also out of question, since as we saw Kokoro constantly asking question was just ruining the mood. You can't just stop at every step and methodically explain what you're doing and what the purpose of it is while having sex. And again, despite all that, Misaki constantly make sure Kokoro is ok with everything and she isn't feeling uncomfortable or anything. She isn't being forced and can refuse at any point. And also remember, it was Kokoro who asked Misaki to make her feel the same way Misaki felt. And the most important part, they are a loving couple. Kokoro is constantly worried about Misaki and vice versa. I really can't see it as anything more than couple's first time.

That was cute and sexy at the same time. Also on topic of Kokoro's obliviousness. While her knowing absolutely nothing feels a bit stretchy, if I was never told masturbation exist, I would probably never experiment with my body, so I can somehow buy it.

Verne posted:

Cute, but also creepy. Rather manipulative. I imagine this is similar how to pedophiles might manipulate children.

Lol? A couple has sex. Idk what is creepy or manipulative about it. Misaki told Kokoro few times to say when she wants to stop and she never did.

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Aether rose posted:

Not to mention that in many places of the world it's still far easier and often safer to marry someone of the opposite rather than same sex?

That is what I was referring to.

Lets not be biphobic, please.

Lol. At which point I was even remotely biphobic?

BugDevil posted:

Harumi is literally sick with a fever
Chiaki: "Let me wipe off your sweat or you might catch a cold."

She said "you'll get cold". I assume she meant it as her temperature lowering, which could worsen her, well, cold.

Looking East posted:

gay but married mother tropes is annoying.

More likely bi. All of the bi women I know ended up married to guys eventually.

Why I'm not surprised to hear that.

last edited at Nov 19, 2018 9:35AM

JasmineTJB posted:

Oh man, we dodged a bullet there. I would have hated this series for going down the "fake relationship to make love interest jealous" route but It's still kinda doing it but with less consequences so I still like this series.

Instead it will go fake relationship for the sake of fake relationship. They will fuck a lot.

And so the boob sex was born.

Post credit scene was pretty gay as well