It is slapped together because she is an inexperienced writer, this being literally her debut.

While she may get better with experience, other writers do well in their debut work. The question of talent versus incentive remains.

Not everyone does well in their debut works, so it is hardly an actual argument. Plus, there is a facet of the incentive premise that you are not even considering. From what I remember from her interview (and it has been a long time since I read it, so I could be slightly off), she is basically having fun with this, mashing all her favourite yuri tropes. If her incentive for writing this is to simply have fun doing something she always wanted to do, she is pretty much fulfilling it. She is a voice actress, her career is not really hanging on this manga performing well, so the "incentive to get better" at writing might not even be there at all, or at least it might not be prevalent.

You linked the writing problems to either a lack of competence or a lack of incentive in terms of readers demanding better storytelling. Lack of competence is certainly a factor, it can not not be with someone who is not a professional writer and is basically doing this for the first time. But the lack of incentive, in the way you presented it, is simply not a factor at all, in my opinion. I do not think she would radically alter her course if some of the readers did rebel. She is doing this for fun and is clearly not planning and mapping it out in excruciating detail beforehand.

Also, Tomoko has Momono Moto as the artist on this, who actually is a decent writer herself. Now, it could be considered uncouth for the artist to critique or offer advice to the writer (after all, Moto is not the editor), that is certainly possible. But it is equally possible that Tomoko just does not care, hence why even with an experienced and good writer working beside her, she is still ploughing headlong into this mess, lmao!

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The author actually chose the horseback riding as one of her good memories, I cant even

You know, it made me genuinely laugh when I read it the first time. But now that I have read the comments and saw similar reactions, I thought it over and I am starting to think, could it be that at least part of what I call bad writing is intentional? I have a hard time imagining the author writing that serious and deep emotional confrontation only to include that panel to showcase how good and fulfilling their relationship was. Like, it has to be deliberate...

she likes stories full of drama.

That's orthogonal to the question. A story could be carefully and realistically plotted to have lots of drama; it could be slapped together and have no drama. Here it is slapped together with lots of drama; maybe it's slapped together because she couldn't do any better, but maybe it's slapped together because she doesn't feel any need to do better.

It is slapped together because she is an inexperienced writer, this being literally her debut. It is full of dorama because she likes dorama.

Would the writer be so incompetent as to introduce some random person just to manufacture fake drama?

Apparently the people buying the manga have not rebelled. So is the issue competence? or a simple lack of incentive to do better?

I'm reminded on the one hand of the revival of Jason Todd, after readers very literally paid to have him killed; and, on the other hand, of some of what I've heard and read about willful inconsistency in soap operas.

It's Kitta Izumi's first manga and she likes stories full of drama.

Pretty much. She just writes what she likes. Think of her as being Kodama, only without the writing competence that Kodama actually has. They are both into soap opera dorama and cute grills with awful personalities. The difference is that Kodama makes her characterisations nuanced and well fleshed out, while Tomoko just goes for the random approach (Liz being a tragic sociopath because she was dumped in high school, and Maki being the biggest doormat God ever put on this green earth for no reason whatsoever).

That said, the combination of awful characters and awful writing is something that I grew to like with this mango, lmao! Took me a while, because the first chapters were pretty decent and basically nothing like the rest of this story, so the whiplash of the change made me dislike it at first, but over time it grew on me.

I think this would have gotten a more faithful audience if Tomoko presented what the story would be right at the beginning. Soap opera dorama and beautiful yet awful grills are good selling points, even the bad writing creates some rather hilarious scenes in hindsight. It is basically Kodama, but with the brain turned off. Good stuff.

IS THE TASTE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE BITTER, LIZ?!

The fact the bottom panel here was used to demonstrate their deep and emotional bond certainly makes me smile. Keep it up, Tomoko, 10/10.

So basically the exact same reason they don't want to make the protagonist of Tonari no Kyuuketsuki-san a vampire.

Who had the brilliant idea of introducing this "failure" concept to vampire stories? It's weird it already happened twice in yuri.

I have seen that concept in a decent chunk of vampire stories outside of yuri as well. It actually makes sense as a story device. Vampires are immortal, vastly physically superior to humans, and usually possessing psychic and/or magical powers on top of that. Without some sort of limiting factor, they would rapidly become the dominant species on the planet. Like, if Gika had an option to create what would essentially be an unstoppable army, do you think she would not go for it in a heartbeat?

Basically, if you have a story where vampires are a small group living in hiding, you need a way to explain such a state of existence. Otherwise, if nothing is preventing them to just raise a few million vampire soldiers and conquer the world for themselves, you are left pondering why have they not done so already, especially since vampires in general tend to feature ambitious and power-hungry individuals.

However, with this and similar limitations placed upon them, their existence in the shadows, always hiding, makes perfect sense. They are incredibly powerful but also incredibly rare, and humans could easily wipe them out or supress them in other ways through sheer numbers.

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ya know, as a trans person I find it kind of...sad to not see much like, I don't know how to put it
"normal" yuri things but one of the girl just like, happens to be trans and/or having a dick, you know?
and like I don't even want the fact that they have one to be the main focus or something, just as a normal trait everyone has (cis or trans)

I've seen a bunch of really good pictures like that, but very few doujins

Love Live has some titles that fit that description.
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/passionate_gaze#1
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/nicos_thirsty#1
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/kotatsu_rhapsody#1
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/step_up_to_the_plate_ladies#1

They may have appeared considerably younger than they were, but their affect (their way of speaking, the way they carried themselves) was that of an adult.
But unless a person in real life is literally masquerading as a child or young teenager, it’s usually not much of an issue.

Disagree, because while it is exceedingly rare for an adult to actually look like a small child, there are plenty of people who are mistaken for teenagers (I should know, as just a few weeks ago someone mistook me for a 17-year-old, when I am 31 actually).

This is changing the terms of the argument, though--the issue is not "teenagers" per se, but "children," granting that very young teenagers can look like children (as I did myself, until the fullness of puberty). And as to affect, I'm not talking about mistakes made at first sight or after a brief conversation, but upon getting to know someone--physically small adults, even ones who can be taken as much younger than their chronological age, simply do not resemble children.

My mistake, I did not read too deeply into the "young" descriptor you stipulated for teenagers. And that was pretty much what I was going at here, since I agree that it is very, very rare for adults to resemble actual children (I am avoiding using the word "impossible" because there are always rare exceptions), both in terms of looks and in terms of behaviour. But when you expanded that on teenagers, I disagreed.

And although I now realise that was not what you were driving at (with the present clear stipulation you were talking about resembling actual kids first and foremost), when it comes to people who can physically pass as teenagers, I still disagree with the affect argument. It is definitely true in a lot of cases, but just looking at my own past interactions with people I can also see it is anything but a firm rule.

That's basically the wrong answer. The right answer is, doesn't matter how awesome I might be because I'm only interested in you, so anyone I might be popular with can't have me.

My thought as well. It is a depressingly often used trope in manga. "Oh noes, no need to worry, other people would not be interested in me." The implication here that your faithfulness depends on how other people perceive you seems to completely escape these characters, as is the fact this type of "reassurance" practically never works, since what their partners want to hear is that they would not be interested in anyone else.

My personal suspicion is that a lot of Dynasty readers are here primarily for wish fulfillment. So anything other than ultrasmooth sailing through the seas of romance with a firm Happily Ever After at the end is going to cause them distress because it damages the fantasy.

I actually do not think that is the case here. It certainly is something that happens often on Dynasty, but I would not put this doujin under that description. I think the reason some people had negative reactions is because there are simply certain character types that rub you the wrong way. In this case, a jealous/possessive/controlling type of person, and I fully understand why, since I too happen to be one of those people who have very little tolerance for such characters (one of the reasons why I viscerally hate Kase, for example, and could never get into that series despite all the other appeals it might have).

It certainly irked me when I read that "don't call her again" line. That said, this is a pretty mild case and what rescues it for me is the fact Rin is fully aware of this trait of hers and consciously tones it down.

But comedy in particular often relies on isolating one character trait and exaggerating it (and in serial stories repeating it over and over) and it seems to escape some readers that, if you're going to imagine the characters as real human beings, you also need to imagine that they have all the other normal everyday interactions that real-life people have besides the one gag that the author is showing us.

Here is the thing, though. If the particular trait that the author chose happens to be one that does not appeal to me, what possible difference could off-screen imaginary interactions make? I am not reading a story with those other interactions. I am reading the story where one of its central themes does not sit well with me. It is as simple as that. Some things just boil down to personal preferences and there is nothing wrong with that.

That said, that one person up there losing it completely over this story does seem like a massive overreaction. As possessive types go, Rin is not that bad.

...I don't get this. Couldn't she just, like, make her username "Small Adult Woman"??

...you think people take username seriously online?

anw, well said @Linterdiction. I hope people will read your comment before asking any more question about the morality of this one shot.

Except nobody did that in the first place. The only people bringing up morality were those who felt attacked by questions such as elevown's, but the questions themselves were more geared towards physical attraction than anything to do with morals.

"Would you be physically attracted to someone who literally looks like a child" was basically the gist of it, and most people would indeed answer "no", not because of morality, but simply... because they are not attracted to those looks. It is the same logic as with a very mature looking 12-year-old who can basically pass as a freshman at college (rare but not unheard of). They would be a child, but one that would not interest paedophiles while they would be physically attractive to regular people. So while in such a case it would be absolutely wrong for an adult to do anything with them, the physical attraction would be understandable.

Basically, what I am saying is that physical attraction is physical attraction and morality is morality. They are separate issues. An adult doing anything sexual with a child is very wrong, but not because of aesthetics.

The character in this doujin is an adult, morality was never really an argument here.

They may have appeared considerably younger than they were, but their affect (their way of speaking, the way they carried themselves) was that of an adult.
But unless a person in real life is literally masquerading as a child or young teenager, it’s usually not much of an issue.

Disagree, because while it is exceedingly rare for an adult to actually look like a small child, there are plenty of people who are mistaken for teenagers (I should know, as just a few weeks ago someone mistook me for a 17-year-old, when I am 31 actually). It can suck, it can cause people to dismiss you, and it can definitely cause even people younger than you to not be interested in you, either because they like more mature looks or they just think they are risking jail time by tangling with you.

As for the affect argument, that also falls short for me. I have known plenty of very studious, very serious and mature teenagers, and I know plenty of exceedingly childish and immature adults, both in their thinking and mannerisms, so judging someone's age based on that is by no means a reliable method.

Oh! One more thing, after a bit of a break I am thinking of reading through all of the Love Live! Fracnchise's doujins and images...

Considerably bigger task than BanG. After that is complete, you do realise there is only one option left to you, right? Reading through all the Touhou stuff.

Just for clarification, this is Manchester United (the Red Devils) versus AC Milan (Diavolo).

^ Oh, I agree. But the post I was replying to was making a general statement rather than commenting merely on Mutsu and Nagato.

^ I mean, speak for yourself. Hiei would certainly disagree.

I liked that the high schooler was carrying her school bag on the front while riding the train. It pays to be cautious.

Ummm ive been here quite small amount of time but when i recommend this site im like "its a perfect place to find yuri easily", seeing all the stuff happening here and there with ppl complaining about nonyuri content, should i stop doing that?

Around four fifths of the site's content is yuri. Everything is clearly tagged, making yuri releases even easier to find and the het releases easier to avoid, if that is not your cup of tea (made even more easy by the option to blacklist tags). If your parameter really is just "find yuri easily", this is the best place.

And despite so many apparently completely clueless people (even amongst those who have been on the site for years), fact is that Dynasty always uploaded a certain amount of non-yuri content. Nothing has changed. Even the meltdowns are nothing new, we have been going through these motions since forever.

Maybe the time has finally come to add that "Dynasty isn't a yuri reader" in the rules. In all caps and as a header. Maybe with a link to your in-depth reply, OP. This way we might avoid people having a meltdown in every het upload thread.

I would use the term "not yuri-exclusive" rather than just yuri. That said, I do not think it will help much, just look at the accounts which did all that complaining (granted, most of those comments have been removed by staff now). Half of those people have been on the site for years but have never clued into the fact Dynasty uploads het sometimes. (And even yaoi.)

However, a public statement in a visible place would not be a bad idea on its own. Because that thread also demonstrated a common problem with the public perception here. One user wrote a bunch of nonsense trying to excuse bad behaviour that people really were not in the position to be excused for, but amongst other things wrote extensively how Dynasty "promotes" and "advertises" itself as a "yuri focused" site (which they meant as yuri-exclusive, otherwise it makes no sense that a single het upload (or any het upload) would cause this reaction).

Dynasty never "promoted" itself as anything, it is a manga reader site that started with a single scanlation group which simply did a lot of yuri (but not only yuri). The "promoting" and this entire nebulous "community" stuff that sprang around it is entirely done by the fans, an organic process once enough people were visiting the place.

That said, in the long run this is one of those issues that will never go away completely. It has been here since forever and will simply remain so. The staff is on-point every time, though. Probably the best take on the issue:

This post answers all the relevant questions regarding Dynasty's uploading policies and how Dynasty "promotes" itself in terms of being a yuri site. Perhaps moving this aspect of the discussion over into that thread would be best.

With a new Black Rock Shooter anime announced, I thought it was a good idea upload some BRS images here. So, I gathered all BRS images from my collection and curated possible uploads. There are precisely 390 images in total (10 of them need to be translated). Should I open a normal upload request? How can I make the uploaders' work easier?

My suggestion would be to pick one or two images which you favour the most and request them for the next batch. Then wait a few days and repeat the process for the one after that and so on.

The images are uploaded in batches of 36, every three or four days, and every batch will contain a variety of franchises and pairings, you will never see an entire batch made up of a single franchise. The more popular ones, like vtubers and Touhou, will get more more slots per batch (but even then we are talking single digits), while something like BRS will likely get one slot, perhaps two if lucky, I would think.

Also, what images get uploaded is entirely up to the staffer in charge of that section, and knowing him I would suggest picking quality ones when making your requests.

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Some of them have been given little descriptions by the artist~

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^ Yep, all of that is correct. There is also a bit of history how we came to the anime version. In the original manga, Starlights were just girls crossdressing as guys in their civilian form. But then anime changed it so that they have actual male bodies as their civilian disguise, and Takeuchi (the original author) was furious about this editorial decision.

It was widely speculated that the reason they did this is because a prominent feature of that entire season was Seiya romancing Usagi. It just so happens that most of those scenes transpire when Seiya is in her civilian form.

It might seem strange for the same anime which featured Haruka and Michiru, but you have to take into account that those two were already an established couple that expressed their romantic feelings through rare innuendos and rose petals flying across the screen. Plus, neither of them was the main character. Usagi being openly romanced and pursued by another girl, and her nearly reciprocating, was something else entirely.

HOLY!!! Yes~ That ass~~~ Thank you, dpf, took me only 21 months to notice...

At least Maki tried to slap someone here. Granted, she aimed for the wrong person (I mean, seriously, if you catch your lover cheating on you and you opt for a slap, you slap the lover, not the other party, right?). If memory serves, when she caught her ex-girlfriend red-handed doing pretty much the same thing as Liz here, Maki just... did nothing, continued to date her, and was eventually dumped herself by the aforementioned cheating girlfriend. So all things considered, this is a step up for her.

Can we have a way to search for completed works only?

You have, in the advanced options on the search bar you type "completed" under "with tags", it then offers you "Status: Completed" as a search parameter.

Haruka sort of confessed. In chapter 185, she gave Kanae a note and told her to read it when she was alone. It said “I love you.” Nothing much has happened since then.

People seem to be misunderstanding why Haruka offered to help Michiru study for Physics. I really suggest re-reading chapter 175. Michiru unintentionally barged in on Kanae and Haruka having some quality time together in the library. That’s where Haruka learned Michiru needed help in Physics. And that’s where Michiru figured out how Haruka felt about Kanae. Michiru quickly left once she figured out the situation. So when asked to take a picture of Haruka and Kanae, Michiru knew exactly the kind of photo that would mean the most to Haruka. In thanks for Michiru’s kindness at leaving so quickly in the library and of course the beautiful photo so full of Haruka and Kanae’s honest feelings for each other, Haruka offered to tutor Michiru in Physics.

I did not interpret it quite like that. I also remembered chapter 175 instantly when studying physics was brought up, but my understanding of the situation is that Haruka felt at least a little bit guilty in addition to what you have already written. Michiru genuinely just wanted to get some help on a subject she is bad with, and Haruka reacted relatively awkwardly (in a "you are bothering us" kind of way), so Michiru left (while simultaneously cluing into their relationship).

Michiru looked relatively unbothered by Haruka's behaviour and if anything, she looked happy at reading the situation between the other two girls, but there is no way for Haruka to know that.

So when Michiru was kind to them with the picture, Haruka felt both grateful and at least a little bit guilty (note the pause she makes before asking "it was physics, wasn't it"), so she decided to revisit that library scene and offer actual help to Michiru.

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