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Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

he's got the backstory of a literal actual ex-incel with reasoning that borders dangerously close on their thought processes to boot.

Yeah, honestly Tazune is a really accurate depiction of a successful pick-up artist. They court incel-types desperately want to be in control of women who they basically revile for whatever reason and most of the time big PUA dipshits used to be incel-types themselves. Like fuck, I think me and another person used negging before to describe how he treats Midori but it literally is. It almost makes me think Battan looked into PUA types and their shit to write him.

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

This mangaka has gone and done THE WORST FUCKING THING ... of mine.

The writing is fine and his backstory serves as a way to sort of amplify 'No, no Tazune isn't just bad with Midori, he's a misogynistic asshole with a chip on his shoulder for being bullied as a kid and then grew up to basically be a pick up artist". Like... Given the fact that at least some people in the forum didn't see the red flags here, it's hardly a bad thing.

Like Heavensrun say "I mean I can't count how many times I've been reading comments on a story and seen people making excuses for awful behavior, because the author didn't outright show that they're rotten to the core." The fact that it took a chapter of showing that dude has a history of misogyny and just hit a woman for basically zero reason and not all the shit before kind of highlights its necessity.

He's been abusive from the start ... that incel POS gets hit by a fiery garbage truck.

Given that some people clearly didn't catch that and thought he was 'just being an inconsiderate jerk' before really means I can't complain. Also: He's a pick up artist sort of misogynist, not an incel. Still deserves the garbage truck though :P

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

hjyfun - not sure even that is enough. the art kept me coming back. the realism was intriguing, if not depressing. but there is absolutely zero enjoyment to be had from reading this anymore.

I mean, it's a series about a woman in a fucked up relationship (that plenty of people noticed before hand) and a different woman who's still yearning for her, while the former has some mixed and difficult feelings about being with women. It's hardly torture porn and we know this is going to end well, like, just go to Battan's twitter if you want to see some lovely drawn fluff.

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

Judging how fucked up Midori ... ever since their reunion.

It's 100% class S type/comphet type stuff so I don't really even see how the way she's treated Maki is in any way a judgement of her personally. Comphet is one hell of a drug and it's so clear to me that the author is tapping into it to describe why they broke up. Hell I wouldn't even be surprised if Midori still had feelings for Maki back in highschool, just she needed to grow up and forget those feelings to fit into her gender roles as an adult woman who's suppose to be straight. When it comes to compulsory heterosexuality, it's really a 'damn the society, not the individual' kind of deal beyond people who might've been personally hurt by them. Given Maki will likely forgive Midori and want her back in her life, idk, I can't see anything wrong with Midori morally.

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

God, re-reading it and I think the worst part about the whole deal is Midori literally was just saying they should do something nice together to actually relax together for once. Like usually if an author wants to go to this sort of abuse they'll do it in an argument and show some kind of regret on behalf of the abuser, but nooooope. Not here.

is obiously not midoris fault what happened to her so far (well maybe a little bit), and i´d be nice if she could break out of her current situacion but her relationship with maki is also not healthy(not for maki at least). ... midori deserves to be happy but not with maki

It's absolutely not her fault at all. Victims are just often vulnerable people who predatory ones find easy to hold onto, and Midori 150% falls into this category.

I feel like you're being way to harsh on Midori here. Midori even said in chapter 3 that she thinks she's falling for Maki again, like before the shit got physical, but unlike Tazune, she cut ties with Maki because she doesn't want to cheat on her partner. She also clearly still harbors fond memories for the past and being with Maki, she says as much in chapters 2 and 3.

I'd really recommend looking up what Class S is and how compulsory heterosexuality affects women in general. It explains Midori's behavior 100% and I don't even think she did to Maki is like, morally condemn-able in terms of who she is. Ultimately it's up to Maki to forgive Midori anyways, which is basically going to happen especially after Maki finds that her uncomfortable feeling she had before was 100% a red flag.

last edited at Feb 24, 2020 11:43PM

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

What a fucking piece of shit I hope he fucking dies. His backstory or whatever didn’t make me feel a bit sorry for him. I just hate him 10000x more now.

I mean, I don't think the author wrote it as a tragic backstory or whatever, just how this dude turned into the misogynistic asshole he is once he realized he could be basically a pick up artist.

Also: Fucking knew he had done this shit before and was being real predatory with Midori. It sucks see it go right to physical abuse and the jackass shows no regrets? Like wow.

Yup it is. It’s rape too

I still think that's not even the first time he's pulled the 'Aw come on, I've never done it without a condom before, they feel kinda weird you know?' sorta shit too. Just like how he's proven to have at least cheated on someone before now too. The only difference now is he probably had some degree of culpability and found the perfect sort of person to abuse.

last edited at Feb 24, 2020 11:02PM

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

I agree with this. They aren't kids. Midori obviously wanted something out of him, and he took advantage of her weakness. I am not sure what the point is of making him seem like a real person that is kind of a douche, though. It's easier to just make him evil so that the reasons behind the eventual breakup don't matter. No one wants to read about a man in yuri manga.

I mean, just because they aren't kids doesn't mean it's not pretty clear Tazune is a shithead and abusive. You literally said 'He took advantage of her weakness', that's abusive. Even if she's just with him because she's afraid of being alone, that's hardly a crime, that's just the sad tragedy that happens to a lot of people. Hell it's kind of one of the ways people get stuck in an abusive relationship and don't leave, which the manga is kind of highlighting that.

While I generally agree with 'No one wants to read about a man in yuri manga', it still doesn't change the point that the dude's a shithead taking advantage of a woman who he at least somewhat pressured into having unprotected sex, then proceeds to basically show no real responsibility and really only care about if his wife-to-be will still be available for sex while also basically just negging and insulting her in front of her friends. Battan just wants a bit of realism I guess and the truth is not every abusive person is some violent asshole that screams a lot. I appreciate it for that at least.

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

Lmao, would anyone say he isn't abusive? It's like pretty clear that he's kind of an asshole who insults Midori and he impregnated by literally going 'Eh, c'mon let's just fuck without a condom they just don't feel good' and he doesn't really seem to even care. Plus it's even more obvious now that the guy is totally just going to go out and cheat with Doumyou (if he hasn't already). I wouldn't be surprised if he knew what he was doing from the start too.

I don't even really blame Doumyou, the Tazune seems like he knew what he was doing and he could've easily just said 'Nope, just going to let this woman sit on her crush, not my problem.'. Hell I sure as hell can't blame Midori for what she did to Maki as a child, the author pretty clearly writes out 'She's living in a heterosexual world so of course she thinks she has to leave Maki and so she does'. It's comphet mixing with Midori's fears of being alone, y'all.

I just can't wait for this car wreck to finally happen so Midori can have a moment to realize what and who she wants. If her and Maki have anything to work out, well, they'll be able to I'm sure. I do hope Maki gets some perspective chapters to give us a little break from the shithead, maybe with her meeting her friend and getting the confidence to actually pursue Midori or something.

last edited at Feb 23, 2020 8:08AM

joined Sep 13, 2018

Kinda fucking hilarious that author is complaining about societal gender norms and then is participating in the same thing by only wanting to date a "butch" stereotype, yeah whatever

How lmao? The author is a butch woman wanting a butch woman, that's nowhere near participating in societal gender norms.

Also it's not heteronormative. Two women together will never be heteronormative lol.

*see: Storme DeLarverie, who fought police outside Stonewall for 10 minutes while handcuffed, inciting the riot.

Totally correct. Like, imho, there's complaining about how butch women and loving butch women can feel weird and unappreciated in sapphic circles, and then there's like, 'lol gay women are so heteronormative for butch/femme dynamics" which is just... Silly.

Also good on bringing up Storme DeLarverie, sadly not talked about nearly as much in LGBTQ circles as they ought to be.

last edited at Feb 13, 2020 1:58AM

joined Sep 13, 2018

I like how this story is actually digging into the negative psychological effects of heterosocialization. ... And this manga's such an excellent portrayal of that experience.

I agree a ton with this. The show of compulsory heterosexuality is SO good, from the strong "Well I gotta find a guy! Even though he does nothing really for me even when he is nice" to the odd feeling of illness at even the casual touch from a guy you know who's Into You and the depressive feelings of brokenness and all from society. I really kind of hope this yuri digs more into comphet and all and doesn't just leave it at just this. Just seeing Satou help Uno there was really nice and I really wanna see Uno grow to be a better and happy person with Satou now hah.

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

Honestly this is really cute. I really read Shiho as probably being depressed at the very least, so I feel like it's good that she's got Akari to help pull her up and out some. Even still, I don't see how y'all don't see Shiho as absolutely adorable in spite of what seems like difficulties on her end one way or another. Right from the get go, there's an emphasis that Shiho genuinely pushes herself to make happy memories with Akari and listens to her plenty. It's a nice reciprocal relationship of two women that are pretty contrasting. Nothing too extreme or dramatic as others have pointed out, but it's pleasant and cute.

joined Sep 13, 2018

Kanojo ni Naritai.is a bit different, because it all happens in a single school, but actually, I'm not interested in stories about LGBT communities.

While I understand the need for some people to group up for protection, the whole concept of "communities", whatever group they are (black, white, gay, latino, christian, jewish, muslim, abc, trans, all of the above, whatever...) looks like a failure to me. Even the flags irk me. It reeks of nationalism. And nationalism is war.

I know that the model of the American/English society is built on communities, .... We should have grown out of the tribe mentality.

Now, I sound idealistic and in contradiction ... when they feel secure in their group. Lesbians hating on trans, trans hating on cis, gay hating on bi, etc...

I don't have a magical solution to these problems, but I'm sure as hell that communitarianism isn't one.

I dunno where you learned about sociology, but American/English society is highly individualistic in most situations scenarios outside of direct class based issues and because of those class based issues, minority communities form in spite of the individualism.

Intercommunity issues aside, as any individual is capable of displaying whatever sort of bigotry even if it effects themselves or people similar to them, having a solid community does genuinely help people, especially minorities. Just look at history and you can see this in action de facto and de jure. They're places for understanding and having support for each other in a world that's otherwise hostile and isolating, especially when it comes to minority groups who often find that kinship because of oppressive social structures.

I'm not sure what you really expect though as a solution at all? Like, Kotone ain't just gonna get along fine with her life by just hanging out with straight girls. She can't get that deeper degree of intimacy and empathy from them so its not going to help her period. What does help her, and what's pretty well illustrated and factual to life experiences is her attempting to push past her own personal hang ups and go to a community that'll hopefully let her love herself and folks she can love, i.e. her going to the cafe. Same applies for many of the other characters in the manga you've mentioned.

If you're concerned about her or any other character in these or other mangas becoming a hetero/cisphobe or whatever nonsense, I'd genuinely recommend you learn some political theory and history, like what power dynamics are and how they apply to majority/minority groups. You'll hopefully walk away from these manga with way less hang ups.

last edited at Dec 8, 2019 6:01AM

joined Sep 13, 2018

Lovely art and I like the dynamic of a sorta out of place individual (emphasized further with her being japanese in a clearly european setting) with incredibly power and a sorta teacher's pet class A sort. Not a fan of the "Fall in love and lose your powers" type stuff though. Fantasy is fun and interesting especially because of the magic and that kind of plot point immediately sets up either a kind of sad "Well! Go live a normal now, at least you'll be happy with each other" ending or some subversion that gets kinda weird with a whole either untold "Oh I guess they expected you to fall in love with a guy" heteronormativity angle or one that tips into "Well lesbian sex isn't REAL sex" type stuff.

I guess I just want more explicit lesbian stuff with notable fantasy elements, but still I'll keep checking in on this one.

joined Sep 13, 2018

My problem is with the heroin being a total stereotype.

The heroin is more tall and full of T that any other boy in the manga. Boys and girls have same size hands except the heroin : Giant hands. Everything is made to underline the 'she cant pass' feeling.

I've been a lesbian transgirl for years and I didnt always pass. I know very well those 'allies' who fantasize over our virile body in dresses. They say they get you and their views are OK, but when you dig under the surface, you always find a woman fantasizing over feminine men in dresses. They like the male they see in you and they want to make it lovable. It's somewhat disgusting.

I have dozens of tgirls friends of all ages. None of them look like Akira.

And a lot of them dont pass. Thats not the point.

I get your apprehension but honestly that's why I like the recent chapter because it's literally the build up to a character like that? Like Anzu is word for word "They say they get you and their views are ok, but they just fantasize about a feminine man in a dress".

That also said, as a lesbian trans woman too, I don't really get your complaints, we haven't really seen Akira up next to any boys so it's hard to say she's drawn with purposely giant hands or taller than other boys. She really doesn't look too out of place even when I think about "princely" type girl characters in yuri, even though Akira's personality is far from that.

That also ties into what Gale said, she could try to overly support Akira so much, only to hide her true feelings of guilt for falling in love with Akira because she's biologically a guy.

She ain’t any mode of guy; I’m pretty sure Hime’s fears are arising exactly because she’s worried that even though she’s supposed to know better her subconscious might be treating Akira unfairly.

Honestly, I think dealing with internalized homophobia and also worrying about treating your trans girl friend poorly because of that internalized homophobia could open the way up for something pretty interesting? Like Hime over coming it and coming to terms with her love for Akira and supporting her could be incredibly cute imo!

last edited at Feb 22, 2019 3:23AM

joined Sep 13, 2018

Oooh, I actually really like this chapter. It sucks for Akira to be misgendered like this but it's got the potential for it to be a good moment between Akira and Hime and possibly a learning experience for Anzu.

joined Sep 13, 2018

There is evidence showing that people who suffer from gender dysphoria have brain structures that reflect the other sex, so a female person suffering from gender dysphoria has a brain very similar to a male. From this perspective it's perfectly biological and changing their body sex is a medical procedure to realign the two parts. Transgenderism isn't just sociological and pulling the biological argument is just naive blindness overlooking the brain and mind functional aspect of the human body.

Tbf, iirc most of those studies are usually conducted on trans people who've had years of hormone therapy. Like, in any case trying to find the 'source' for being transgender usually just ends up with some transphobic reasoning behind it and it's best to just 'live the question' honestly. In any case, trans women are women, trans men are men, and nonbinary people are however they feel like.

Oh and to the manga itself: As a lesbian trans woman, I'm hoping she's just uncomfortable with the notion of her having to be feminine as a girl rather than a trans boy, though if they are, then I just recognize the stories not really for me

last edited at Feb 18, 2019 2:43AM

joined Sep 13, 2018

Oh this is so cute! I really like this because butch-y kind of gals are up my alley, and we usually don't see too many of them, let alone two of them dating each other! It's an adorable concept.

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

I don't really get folks issues. Yeah it has scummy kind of unrealistic stuff happening but that's just plots for you. I wouldn't mind a more supportive route rather than this, sure, but it's hardly unusual compared to other stuff on the site.

That said, the whole "no one is completely straight" line felt weird to me.

joined Sep 13, 2018

This looks super cute! I really like the protagonist, plucky hero types are real good imho. Also the way the overlord's plot backfired so massively was funny. I'm curious to see where it'll go

Samcaesar
joined Sep 13, 2018

Seems kinda odd. I wouldn't mind if the MC ended up trans and gay, the whole way she talks about being perceived as a girl may seem to play into that angle, but I dunno, a lot of these stories might hint at that only for it just keep to "Oh I'm just a crossdressing guy" deal. Not necessarily bad, just y'know, not the kinda story I get excited to click on on a site that focuses yuri, y'know?

Looking at comments on other sites apparently it does go into some talk about being trans and sexuality stuff but like I said, even if it plays into that angle, I feel like it'll just end up with the crossdresser route.

joined Sep 13, 2018

That was so lovely! I like the development of Umi and Riku and I absolutely adore yuri with monster girls in it! I definitely wish this was more than a one shot

Samcaesar
Still Sick discussion 30 Oct 08:54
joined Sep 13, 2018

This is looking really cute! I'm definitely interested in seeing how it develops from here.

joined Sep 13, 2018

I love Neji's work so much! They have a real fondness for monster girl/human works and so I'm glad to see another yuri along those lines from them.

Samcaesar
Touma-kun discussion 13 Sep 16:40
joined Sep 13, 2018

Man I have no idea why folks got so mad at Touma in this? Like she obviously doesn't get the gravity of what she causes to some girls and no one seems to really be able to really even bring up that she's hurting people, especially not in a way she really gets. I didn't like the nurse chapter just because it felt out of place and I don't like student/teacher-esque age gap stuff, but it's very obvious that as adults they really should've shut Touma down instead of just rolling with it. It sure as hell ain't her fault there. In some ways she seems to get the girl's issues in the earlier chapters better than the girls themselves. Like in the second chapter, sure it hurts to be rejected but the way in which she was approaching and idealizing attention from Touma wasn't really healthy. I don't think she's necessarily good in what she does, but I don't think she's doing it with the intent of building a harem or whatever, girls just find her attractive, go to her knowing What She Effectively Is, she finds the individual beauty in girls and accepts their affection and then acts as a slight push for a change about something related to them while enjoying the moment of them before doing the same for others. Sure they get attached to her, but she shouldn't be hated for not reciprocating feelings

I really like chapter 5 with Tsubaki, but I just like reading stories with more butch looking girls in them. That line at the end with the girl with Tsubaki makes think something is going to happen later on involving her, but the rotating cast besides Touma means that might as well never happen. I definitely think that maybe the girl has a crush on Tsubaki and seeing Touma mess with her like that and cut her hair made her confront her feelings a bit more quickly than she wanted to.

Chapter 6 definitely gives some information in why Touma is the way she is though, which was pretty interesting! I might keep tabs on this series, though it's far from one I'd say I liked too much, hah.