i prefer cute girls doin cute stuffs instead of cute girls doin dangerous stuffs to cute girls

i wanna put my thoughts in this too. the way i see it, is an inverbal communication between them. it's said that japanese can read the air, the ability the western did not have. i think consent is written in the air, we the readers from different cultures just can't read it.

commentimg about this not a good bdsm practice, i think the author know, two of them also know. that's the point. that's why the title is "What was i just thinking?" it's a regret.

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I don't know if anyone else noticed but on page 24 it seems that Hoshizaki also has a bit of a sadistic(?) streak enjoying Makabe's expression of discomfort from both having her sore hand being kneaded and being ashamed of lashing out. So it seems that it goes both ways, just in slightly different manifestations.

i wanna put my thoughts in this too. the way i see it, is an inverbal communication between them. it's said that japanese can read the air, the ability the western did not have. i think consent is written in the air, we the readers from different cultures just can't read it.

Lets not do orientalism here, people everywhere are just people. I think there was no "proper" consent here and I also don't think that's necessarily a problem--both because it's fine to depict situations that are unhealthy or turn out badly, and because you can have a positive story where the characters don't do formal consent properly: you don't need it to have an interesting story, nor to believably have a situation that enters what we might consider BDSM territory that turns out okay.

Proper consent is a safety mechanism that's really helpful to have and use because it's a strong way of ensuring and verifying that a potentially unsafe interaction (like one person hitting another) will follow a safe pattern, which is in turn a way to ensure everyone comes out "okay," with no damage. The reason proper formal consent is good is because it maximizes the chances that the interaction goes well. But you can still have a risky interaction where everyone turns out okay: there is more of a potential for things to go really bad, but that doesn't mean they will. In other words, you can do unsafe stuff like walk too close to a road with headphones on and turn out okay, even though it's not advisable.

Using the constructs of proper, communicated consent is one of the safest ways for things to happen, and might be considered one of the best, but sometimes you don't have those kinds of frameworks, especially if you're not educated on BDSM, which most people aren't.

This is a story about a sadist and masochist who aren't fully sure of themselves, who don't run in those communities, coming together. Depicting what might happen in those situations is a worthy subject of art, and it works better if they don't unrealistically have all the "right", progressive, PC frameworks about consent. You can see how that can result in a scenario that may cause some damage, guilt, fear, but also a connection: hidden, socially unacceptable desires being expressed, satisfied, received by another.

This short manga portrays those feelings beautifully. It works as a piece of art because they did not communicate properly.

This should have the Dubious Consent tag

would pretty much be perfect if there was no smoking

of all things about this one shot, bro really decided to complain about the smoking ToT

that aside this was really hot, although morally questionable (cause of consent)

I do agree that this should at least have the Dubious consent tag, yeah.

Love how so many people who claim to be into bdsm seem to be incapable of processing that fiction is no different than the fantasy scenario you're acting out when you do bdsm. Obviously is this manga happened in real life it would be abusive, but it happening in fiction is no different than when you pretend the dom spanking you is "punishing you" instead of it being something you both agreed upon before hand. They're both just a fantasy.
"This gives people the wrong idea of how bdsm is done" it's not a fucking manual, it's scenario porn. Pretend they're both acting out a scene if it helps you sleep at night, I guess.

Anyway this is super hot and I want more.

Love how so many people who claim to be into bdsm seem to be incapable of processing that fiction is no different than the fantasy scenario you're acting out when you do bdsm. Obviously is this manga happened in real life it would be abusive, but it happening in fiction is no different than when you pretend the dom spanking you is "punishing you" instead of it being something you both agreed upon before hand. They're both just a fantasy.
"This gives people the wrong idea of how bdsm is done" it's not a fucking manual, it's scenario porn. Pretend they're both acting out a scene if it helps you sleep at night, I guess.

Anyway this is super hot and I want more.

Yeah, I think there's a real issue with i guess... reading skills that a lot of people have where they don't fully grasp that fictional content is a work of art and thus things taking place there don't have the same moral weight as if they were happening in real life, that things like violence in fiction are not inherently immoral but are rather an artistic element that can be criticized.

That said, I actually think a lot of the specific type of hand-wringing we find on Dynasty when this kind of things comes around originates from another set of frameworks as well. There's a perspective on art that is commonly found in conservative or fascist societies that it's a tool to demonstrate, reinforce, and promote whatever that culture considers to be its cultural values: art that depicts things that align with those values is thought to create and encourage those values in people, and is thus good and pure. In this rigid and simplistic view of the world, art that fails to do this by depicting complexity, or exploring darker sides of the human experience, is degenerate art that is instead promoting bad behavior or incorrect morals, and thus does violence to people that experience it and to the society at large because it is harming their proper moral development.

This view has been made very starkly obvious in openly fascist societies historically, but we also see it in less overtly fascist places like the United States, where there is a long history of broadcast codes and practices intended to prevent the display and distribution of immoral media.

The perspective that media that depicts anything but people with good morals behaving well is dangerous often remains in people who, at least nominally, move beyond conservative social views: this is why you get people hand-wringing about whether, say, depicting abuse or fantasies of mistreatment will cause readers to view those things as normal or good (or outright crusading for its removal(, why you get people who enjoyed the work creating tortured interpretations of why it still falls within the acceptable boundaries of Productive Art ("I liked it, and I wouldn't like degenerate art, so it must not have been that degenerate!"), and why you get people simply angrily or nervously pointing out that the work depicts Bad Things without feeling the need to say more: the recognition that this is a piece of degenerate art is seen as sufficient. Nothing more must be said: everyone knows what is to be thought, what is to be done about degenerate art.

This isnt even S&M just straight up abuse lol this was bad ngl

They matched each other's freak

God I keep coming back to this one. It's just such a good portrayal of the half-formed themes behind bdsm. that urge, that feeling, before you even have a name for it.

And I love that the masochist talking about her friend's expression mirrors the conflict of the story. They were really both thinking the same thing from opposite ends, all along.

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