why is this labeled BDSM? Just because some of the gear/elements are used?

I am a bit... confused?
And was the epilogue related to the main story?

After everything tha happen to UMP sisters there, they become strong to take vengance of the crazy doctor, and now they want more revenge with every soldier and officer from that time. So their next target is Kar98k, who is living with Negev after the fall of that camp

fuck this and fuck all of you

mood

An interesting read.
Certainly not what I expected when I first clicked, but the opening panel made it extremely obvious what kind of way this story wanted to go. Nazism and the horrors of the holocaust are always tricky things to approach from a fictional (or, really, any other) angle, but I think the author did a decent job with it; it was certainly a story I could appreciate against that backdrop. I liked the characters of Kar98k and Negev, both seemed to have their own struggles, objectives, and feelings, and neither felt flat to me (which I expected them to). I liked the interaction of Negev and Kar98k at the end of the first part; I'd say it's Stockholm Syndrome, but with the ending chapter and epilogue, it felt more like some kind of calculated, perverse, and co-dependent revenge... which was so on-point for the rest of the atmosphere of the piece, it felt perfect. The minimal dialogue (especially in the first chapter) was also well executed.

Even if the subject matter (rape, power abuse, regular ol' abuse, etc) and the backdrop (Nazis, holocaust, concentration camps) is unpleasant, the story is still worth it in my opinion. I think it tells a story with those elements, it doesn't present those elements with a story (or, "story") around them.

I agree absolutely!

This negga is insane!
Good picturing of the horror of the holocaust. The story and style was good even though there were possibly no such sex-affairs.
I'm going to watch some holocaust survivor documentaries just to get reminded again how horrible it was. See ya

Oh shit this has been added to the database? Hello ptsd my old friend~.

By the way is this series still ongoing or is it a mistake because the epilogue is already here?

Wow, I should've listen to the other comments and stayed out of this one. This is indeed a wtf for me.

Ah...yes, this one upset G36's artist a lots.

Huh, I don't remember hearing about that. You mind sharing to us what happened, my dude/dudette?

I felt bad for mp40 -just trying her best to make kar look her way. The scenario in camp A made me feel sad for the whole situation- it’d be nice if everything became sunshine and rainbows and the nazi are like “just kidding!” And everyone hugs happily ever after

what the fuck did i just read

Man, it feels good coming here after reading this shit in /u/ like 3 years ago. All these people knowing what they were going to see but still come here to comment "This is repulsive" or "I have read worst things". Anyway, i fucking love this manga, except the last part, no one likes that shit. The scene in the tank is just so good, with Kar thinking Negev is going to kill her just to discover she has already stockholm syndrome or something like that. Also, the reversal in the last panels before the fucked things is just Godlike. Man, I wish I discovered this thing earlier.

Hello
Today, I found out that this exists and I really don't know what to think of it. I'm not gonna read it because I know full well that it's not for me and it would only negatively affect me.
On one hand, I admire the amount of research and effort the author put into this work (evident by that google doc).
On the other hand, I really don't think concentration camps should be used as the backdrop for a yuri doujin (or pornography in general). Honestly, I'm kind of surprised to see everyone not really having a problem with that. I only saw a few comments like that on the pixiv posts and those were ridiculed. Maybe it's because I'm from Germany and anything relating to the Holocaust is absolutely not to be taken lightly here. I mean it's not like the nazis are portrayed positively in this (at least that's what I surmise from the comments), but that doesn't make it ok in my book.
I don't think it's a topic you cannot make a story about, but I think it should be treated with more respect, instead of using it as a vehicle for a comic for people to get off to. As the artist said in the google doc:

I was going to make G36 comic with more plot and texts like the NegevXKar comic, but as I was drawing it I started to feel that it’s pointless to do so. I’m making these comics so that I could draw lesbian sex stuff but I found that there wasn’t much sex scenes even though the comic itself was pretty long.

Kinda gross in context imo.
Also, this paragraph from the document:

SS is bad but I can’t say all of them are bad. For instance, in the film Fury, the SS soldier who lets Norman go, is he also a bad person? If all SS are bad then is all of the Allied forces good? Allied forces committed rape in Paris and in Fury, War Daddy executes soldiers without a trial which is a war crime. Are these good things to do?

Straight up stupid.

Anyways, I would really like to hear what everyone else thinks about what I said. Am I overreacting or is my concern justified?

Ilse Koch is a good real-life example of what a bad female guard, torturing the prisoners, did in WWII.

Hello
Today, I found out that this exists and I really don't know what to think of it. I'm not gonna read it because I know full well that it's not for me and it would only negatively affect me.
On one hand, I admire the amount of research and effort the author put into this work (evident by that google doc).
On the other hand, I really don't think concentration camps should be used as the backdrop for a yuri doujin (or pornography in general). Honestly, I'm kind of surprised to see everyone not really having a problem with that. I only saw a few comments like that on the pixiv posts and those were ridiculed. Maybe it's because I'm from Germany and anything relating to the Holocaust is absolutely not to be taken lightly here. I mean it's not like the nazis are portrayed positively in this (at least that's what I surmise from the comments), but that doesn't make it ok in my book.
I don't think it's a topic you cannot make a story about, but I think it should be treated with more respect, instead of using it as a vehicle for a comic for people to get off to. As the artist said in the google doc:

I was going to make G36 comic with more plot and texts like the NegevXKar comic, but as I was drawing it I started to feel that it’s pointless to do so. I’m making these comics so that I could draw lesbian sex stuff but I found that there wasn’t much sex scenes even though the comic itself was pretty long.

Kinda gross in context imo.
Also, this paragraph from the document:

SS is bad but I can’t say all of them are bad. For instance, in the film Fury, the SS soldier who lets Norman go, is he also a bad person? If all SS are bad then is all of the Allied forces good? Allied forces committed rape in Paris and in Fury, War Daddy executes soldiers without a trial which is a war crime. Are these good things to do?

Straight up stupid.

Anyways, I would really like to hear what everyone else thinks about what I said. Am I overreacting or is my concern justified?

Late reply but whatever. Yeah you're right that this doujin is very questionable in terms of ethics. Using tragedies as a setting for porn probably isn't a good idea, it's hard to take something seriously while also using it for entertainment or pleasure (for example younger people today don't really understand the impact 9/11 or take it seriously after it was used in countless cheap edgy memes). And we definitely need to take the lessons of WWII seriously after the recent resurgence of authoritarianism the world just went though. The reason most of the commenters aren't talking about this is because a lot of people use media as a form of escapism and don't want to talk about real world politics when reading something for entertainment or pleasure and will lash out at people trying to bring up those topics. Also most people aren't expecting to have a serious in depth discussion on a website for gay anime lesbians.

Germany has done a pretty good job of owning up to its past and making sure history's lessons aren't forgotten but that's not the case in a lot of places such as Japan which downplays its role in WWII. The creator of this doujin is Korean and people outside of the western world are less familiar with European history and all the atrocities commited by the Nazis so it's understandable why he doesn't get why there is no excuse for what the Nazis did (not saying it's okay he thinks that way just that it's understandable). And there are a lot of people in the western world who don't understand it either and fall for faulty arguments like "not all the nazis were bad" or "the allies did bad stuff too" to downplay what happened during the war. I guess that's what we get when our education system sucks, people learn their history through movies, and people base their identities off nationalism.

Germany has done a pretty good job of owning up to its past and making sure history's lessons aren't forgotten but that's not the case in a lot of places such as Japan which downplays its role in WWII.

I don't think that is how I would characterize the (west) German actions after the war, the upholding of Third Reich civil service and court appointments and Nuremberg Law convictions of LGBT people. This censorship of symbols and history in media and faux-remorse by the CDU always seemed more a shield against retrospection for the NAZI officers that wormed their way into NATO high command and a weapon against the most tepid support for Palestinians in this time that Israel foments such similar crimes. The state corporations that perpetrated the holocaust; IBM, Bayer, CocaCola, BMW, Deutschbank, AIG, Seimens, Hugo Boss, etc are not barred from operating in Germany, their assets were not stripped to the fillaments for reparation, the lucre ripped from the mouths of victims at scale still rots in Swiss bank accounts not relinquished to the 'international community'. This refusal to engage in that history in anything but hushed tones serves only now to protect the continuum of government that is unbroken since the faltering failure of denazification and allow the same government to control the narrative and excise those they still see as untermench; Roma, LGBT people, immigrant workers, communists; from the rolls of victims of atrocity. The lesbian rape manga at hand is a good story; it's compelling, it's titillating, it's well researched and the author's musings on the abject stupidity of the Reich's designs (and further actions) are a lot more honest than can be seen in most American blockbusters that require the projection of superhuman competence on the enemy that they might look good by its defeat; it strays from the (fascist if we are to believe Adorno) tendency cultivated by that censorship to create more relatable, simplistic escapist works of clear morals and ethical protagonists.

Germany has done a pretty good job of owning up to its past and making sure history's lessons aren't forgotten but that's not the case in a lot of places such as Japan which downplays its role in WWII.

I don't think that is how I would characterize the (west) German actions after the war, the upholding of Third Reich civil service and court appointments and Nuremberg Law convictions of LGBT people. This censorship of symbols and history in media and faux-remorse by the CDU always seemed more a shield against retrospection for the NAZI officers that wormed their way into NATO high command and a weapon against the most tepid support for Palestinians in this time that Israel foments such similar crimes. The state corporations that perpetrated the holocaust; IBM, Bayer, CocaCola, BMW, Deutschbank, AIG, Seimens, Hugo Boss, etc are not barred from operating in Germany, their assets were not stripped to the fillaments for reparation, the lucre ripped from the mouths of victims at scale still rots in Swiss bank accounts not relinquished to the 'international community'. This refusal to engage in that history in anything but hushed tones serves only now to protect the continuum of government that is unbroken since the faltering failure of denazification and allow the same government to control the narrative and excise those they still see as untermench; Roma, LGBT people, immigrant workers, communists; from the rolls of victims of atrocity. The lesbian rape manga at hand is a good story; it's compelling, it's titillating, it's well researched and the author's musings on the abject stupidity of the Reich's designs (and further actions) are a lot more honest than can be seen in most American blockbusters that require the projection of superhuman competence on the enemy that they might look good by its defeat; it strays from the (fascist if we are to believe Adorno) tendency cultivated by that censorship to create more relatable, simplistic escapist works of clear morals and ethical protagonists.

Yeah a lot of what you said is correct. Immediately after the war a lot of nazis were not held accountable for their actions. The denazification program was not just a failure, the western countries deliberately stopped the program so they could use the nazis' scientific research and use former nazis to keep the country running so they had a strong European ally against the Soviets. The same thing happened in Japan with Japanese war criminals being let go so the West had an ally against China and of course, the West never prosecuted their own war criminals. Not trying to justify letting the nazis go just pointing out that letting criminals go after wars is unfortunately common. The people responsible for the crimes should have been held accountable at the time but unfortunately it's too late to do much now. I don't think punishing the companies themselves makes sense since it's the people who ran those companies who are at fault and most of the people in those companies today have no relation to the original owners. Any company owners who benefitted from the original founders should obviously be held responsible but other than that paying reparations and acknowledging the past to prevent future mistakes are all we can really do at this point.

When I said Germany does a good job of owning up to its past I meant modern day Germany and the average German. Sure some of the things they do like censoring Swastikas are more symbolic than actual attempts at reform, but most current German schools and history-focused media acknowledge the crimes that they committed, go into detail about how horrific they were, and accept the blame for their past actions. German politicians may not be serious in their remorse but I think the average German feels some remorse for what happened. The average German has had these lessons drilled into them through their schools and things like trips to Holocaust museums so they have a pretty good idea of the things their country did during ww2 even if they don't really understand why they happened or how to stop them from happening again. Yes, a lot of the things they teach have problems like ignoring the groups besides the Jews who were affected by the Holocaust, ignoring what happened after the war, and teaching things like "not all nazis were bad, it was the leadership who committed most of the crimes" so there is still room for improvement in those areas but overall Germany does a better job of teaching about the bad side of its history compared to other countries like the US or Japan where the things they did are sometimes not acknowledged by the government and the average person does not understand how bad the things their country did were or even worse they think it was justified.

This manga does have a good plot and it is entertaining to read. You are also right that American movies tend to oversimply ww2 by either portraying nazis as superhuman and pure evil or by portraying the average German as a decent person and only the leadership as evil to try and create sympathy for the German side instead of acknowledging the complex moral situation reality where the average German may have individually been a good person but because they were part of and contributed to an unjust system they are still at least partially at fault for the atrocities committed by their country. However just because it is better than the average American movie (not a high bar lol) doesn't mean that it does a good job of teaching the lessons we should learn from the Holocaust. This manga misses some important lessons (see the author's "Americans were bad too" comment) and it is partially intended for sexual gratification which I think should be left out of media trying to educate people about the Holocaust since it distracts from the historical and moral teachings which should be the focus of an educational work. There are plenty of documentaries and video essays which are both informative and entertaining that would be much more suitable for learning about this subject.

Also this might be the first thread on Dynasy Scans that talks about Adorno lol.

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