If something really is symbolic in the tattoo then it's not the color yellow, but the kind of flower that she chose, I doubt they represent Sungji in anyway, I actually see that more like representing how she ignores her problems with Seju, just like she covers the scars with that flowers, she decides to cover her wounds and problems related to Seju with hate and revenge by sleeping with countless woman and telling her everything.

But really, without knowing what flower is that and seeing what it means in flower language, then we can't really discuss it's meaning besides more or less what I said, someone can think of another symbolism besides of the one I said? I think it representing Sungji a little forced...

Yeah I didn't read the discussion from the beginning, I think I might have started around page 70 something. But that is kind of funny that they stopped talking crap about Seju after they learned more about Sumin.

I do hope that it's explained why she chose the yellow flowers, she really doesn't seem like the type to just decide to have that, but maybe that was the only thing that would cover the scars well? I doubt it represents Sungji because why would she get a tattoo that represents someone she never even met at the time?

I do hope that it's explained why she chose the yellow flowers, she really doesn't seem like the type to just decide to have that, but maybe that was the only thing that would cover the scars well? I doubt it represents Sungji because why would she get a tattoo that represents someone she never even met at the time?

I meant the flowers could have a hidden meaning about the plot, like some sort of hint dropped by the authors. But, yeah, like someone said recently not everything an author puts in a story has to have a meaning. It's just that I like to imagine things like that. Anyway, I guess I should keep crazy ideas for me.

Faylicia

there are a lot of Seju hate online, though probably not much on Dynasty. i've never really seen any Sungji hate though. it's mostly Seju and sometimes Sumin hate. doesn't make sense to hate Sungji anyways. she objectively did nothing wrong after all.

Thiaguinho-sama

yep. i think it's best that they leave it like that since like i said, it doesn't really need any further explanation.

please do give me the Rosalina tag on pixiv. i know she's called Rosetta over there but of course i don't know how it's written in Japanese.

also i think it's not the colour but rather the type of flower. however i'm not too good with flower names and meanings so there's not much i can say about her tattoos.

I do hope that it's explained why she chose the yellow flowers, she really doesn't seem like the type to just decide to have that, but maybe that was the only thing that would cover the scars well? I doubt it represents Sungji because why would she get a tattoo that represents someone she never even met at the time?

I meant the flowers could have a hidden meaning about the plot, like some sort of hint dropped by the authors. But, yeah, like someone said recently not everything an author puts in a story has to have a meaning. It's just that I like to imagine things like that. Anyway, I guess I should keep crazy ideas for me.

I don't think it's a crazy idea that the flowers could have a hidden meaning, I mean they are shown pretty frequently so who knows. But no need to keep crazy ideas to yourself! ^.^

I think the reason there's not much Seju hate here anymore but in other places it continue, is that just like with FF it's because here is where the real discussion about them really happens, at least I don't think any other place discuss as much as Dynasty users when it comes to yuri, probably in part because yuri fans tend to use mainly this site, so others don't really have very good discussions about yuri in general, as for overral hate, someone even called me strawman because of this, but in the end the only reason Seju gets all this hate really is because of the cheating, because the rest don't really hate her, they just don't care about her and want more Sumin x Sungji.

And I agree that you shouldn't hold yourself Azai, if you have anything to say then just say, there's nothing wrong with crazy.

Continuing on the tattoo, did they ever say in the story what flower it is? Cause we can easily find various sites about language of flowers, flower symbology, or just symbology in general that would help, it being a flower could be symbolic already.

queerturtle, here the Rosalina tag, and yeah her name is Rosetta in the original, this is a general Rosetta tag, you're going to see other characters named Rosetta too, there's probably another tag to separate them, I can try find it too if you want, but when there's more than one the images tend to have all versions of the tag, so I don't think you're going to really miss anything, now the problem will be if they're not on Pixiv, finding on Twitter is pretty much imposible, you probably could try Deviantart and Tumblr, but you would lose a lot of time, but if you find the artist please do say, in case you take some time to find and don't want to mention it in a post you can contact me in other places like Batoto or MAL, I always use same name or a variation of it, like T-sama, so it's easy to find me since I'm in a lot of places, in some I should have used different names too, not always good to be so easy to let people find in what kind of sites you have account... (>_>)

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So I don't recall anyone saying what the flower is but I think it looks like the yellow Japanese apricot blossom
So the most I could figure out about that flower was that it's a sign of ending a deadly cold winter and beginning an early spring. Don't quote me on this though because I'm not a flower expert!! Haha!

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Queerturtle,
Agree, I also find it annoying when people complained about Seju appearance, especially when she's integral to the story. Seju's hate online is a lot more than Sumin's hate, when I think it should be the contrary.

Seju's mistake is only the ONS, which she regretted gravely. Yet Sumin did wrong repeteadly, sober or not. Did she even regret treating her partners past Seju like crap ? Hardly. But people only leave it at that because Sumin's other partners are not their fav. Seju's mistake tends to get double standard compared to Sumin's.

And getting irrationally blamed for your lover's parents death might be more cancerous than being cheated on, which is the trigger event of everything.

Thiaguinho-sama

thanks a bunch, my friend!

i do agree that from all the sites i've been to so far, Dynasty seems to have the most serious discussions about this manhwa. the WDTFS thread on /u/ is basically a Sumin x Sungji / anti-Seju hate thread, and the most popular Facebook group has a lot of blind Seju fans. this site has the most level-headed individuals of the fandom, at least in the West.

GraciousLlama

that is a plausible thing. though i really want to know if Team Gaji had confirmed anything about her tattoo on their ask.fm. that'd be reliable official info.

GraciousLlama

that is a plausible thing. though i really want to know if Team Gaji had confirmed anything about her tattoo on their ask.fm. that'd be reliable official info.

I don't know if Team Gaji actually explained the flower but I know that someone said they like the meaning of it, which makes me even more curious to know what it is!

9toenails

I don't think the problem is that Seju was being blamed for Sumin parents death, it is irrational and wrong but kind of understandable, I think the problem is that both of them did pretty bad choices at that time, Sumin was closing herself to others and Seju didn't try to help her in a good manner, cheating aside as far as we know they would break up anyway, the difference is that they would probably get back together again after some time, I see what happened as a fatality, when things are bad people tend to do stupid things when they get drunk, so I think we could see this as a tragic sequence of mistakes that ended their relationship in a bad way, but I think they're both to blame for the 10 years after that, they pretty much didn't really try to move foward or try to seriously talk about what happened.

Also, you're not using bold in other usernames, this thread might interest you.

queerturtle

You're welcome, just don't forget to share the artist name, and if you're my friend go contact me somewhere else or I won't believe it. (>_<)

It's interesting how even though Dynasty is probably the biggest reader of yuri, we pretty much don't have really biased users, I woud imagine a yuri site like this would be full of those bad yuri fans that just annoy everyone, but discussions are very good and useful.

GraciousLlama

You mean someone in the thread explained the flower? It would be pretty difficult to find it now...

I also think you all should have a look at this userscript as it's pretty useful.

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No someone said on ask.fm that they liked the meaning, I'll have to try and find it again.

This was the full comment: "I really like Sumin tattoo! Do you have a full pic of tattoo design? I want to tattoo that design, I like the meaning of that flower too! Thanks for your kindness. ^^"

And also after googling this more apparently Sumin did tell Sungji what the name was

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Do people ask in english or you know korean? Does it have a lot of questions? Cause now I'm wondering how much useful information we could find there, there's probably something we don't know yet, maybe we should just go ahead and ask about the flower meaning?

Well, if Sumin did tell Sungji so we just need to have a look in all chapters with them together, I assume she might have said the name of the flower in the beginning of their relationship.

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Do people ask in english or you know korean? Does it have a lot of questions? Cause now I'm wondering how much useful information we could find there, there's probably something we don't know yet, maybe we should just go ahead and ask about the flower meaning?

No it's in Korean, which I don't speak by the way lol. I just searched her account for the word flower and that one came up with a few others but I wasn't sure what the other questions were.

This it the screen shot from google, but I can't remember what chapter it was in.

I have been curious about Sumin's tattoo for a long time. But it has never been explained yet, about the meaning behind it. The name of the flower is Kerria Japonica. I have tried searching the meaning of that flower but it's difficult to find. One of the meaning I have found is this: "It's never too late to make amend" and there are also other meanings like infidelity, unfaithfulness etc. But I do not know how accurate it is. I do hope that team gaji will explain why they picked the flower. I don't think they picked that flower randomly just because it's pretty. Usually people would choose rose or tiger lily for a tattoo, while this type of flower is not used that often as a tattoo. That's why I believe there's a meaning behind it.

And boy, this thread is moving faster then ever.

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9toenails
Thiaguinho-sama

^ 's reply is basically my reply to you ^^

like i said in my previous posts, they were both at fault. i honestly think they are both equally guilty here, though depends on which side you sympathize with more, you may find the other side to be more at fault.

GraciousLlama

nice find there! the meaning you found earlier is also pretty fitting considering Sumin and Sungji's blooming relationship.

Martian

"it's never too late to make amends".

i like that meaning. it is very fitting for both Sumin and Seju actually. and yeah i hope we get some insight into the meaning of her tattoos from Team Gaji themselves.

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Thiaguinho-sama

Thanks a lot for the tip! I did it correctly now with the bold username haha, was wondering how did you guys do it before XD (I am pretty much a dummy when it comes to online thread)

I don't think the meaning is because of Sumin and Sungji relationship, they didn't even know each other yet, I'm making a big post about some of their meanings, let's see if the thead stops for a few minutes so I can finish it.

You're welcome 9toenails o7

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It wouldn't make any sense if the meaning behind that tattoo involves Sungji, because it was made around 10 years before Sungji enters Sumin's life.

when i say "considering Sumin and Sungji's relationship" i meant more like Sumin's tattoo could represent her hope for spring (love/healing) to come after a long cold winter (her unhealthy lifestyle/vengefulness against Seju) and it's fitting for the theme of the manhwa. of course she wouldn't know about Sungji when she got it done on her arm!

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So it really was yellow Japanese apricot blossom, the flower is also know as Chinese plum and plum blossom, Wikipedia gives some of the meanings:

Chinese meaning
The plum blossom is seen as a symbol of winter and a harbinger of spring. The blossoms are so beloved because they are viewed as blooming most vibrantly amidst the winter snow, exuding an ethereal elegance, while their fragrance is noticed to still subtly pervade the air at even the coldest times of the year. Therefore, the plum blossom came to symbolize perseverance and hope, but also beauty, purity, and the transitoriness of life. In Confucianism, the plum blossom stands for the principles and values of virtue. More recently, it has also been used as a metaphor to symbolize revolutionary struggle since the turn of the 20th century.

Because it blossoms in the cold winter, the plum blossom is regarded as one of the "Three Friends of Winter", along with pine, and bamboo. The plum blossom is also regarded as one of the "Four Gentlemen" of flowers in Chinese art together with the orchid, chrysanthemum, and bamboo. It is one of the "Flowers of the Four Seasons", which consist of the orchid (spring), the lotus (summer), the chrysanthemum (autumn) and the plum blossom (winter). These groupings are seen repeatedly in the Chinese aesthetic of art, painting, literature, and garden design.

There is more on the chinese meaning but I'm not sure they're much important compared to what I already put here.

Korean meaning
The plum blossom is a symbol for spring.

Japanese meaning
Plum blossoms are often mentioned in Japanese poetry as a symbol of spring.

I think someone said something like this before, but maybe she really did choose this flower in part because she was going through a rough time in her life that she sees as a bad winter, the death of her parents and the end of her relationship with Seju, and decided that this flower was a good way to hide the scar and mark a spring in her life, a new beginning? Though we know spring never really came...

But I think that that some of the other meanings also fits both Seju and Sumin too, or fits how the story itself is, like perseverance and hope, but also beauty, purity, and the transitoriness of life and revolutionary struggle.

Now I wonder if the "Three Friends of Winter" fit with Seju, Sumin and Sungji:

Culturally, the Three Friends of Winter—pine, bamboo, and plum—are grouped together in the context of winter because they all flourish at that season. For this reason they are commonly known as the Three Friends of Winter.

In a Korean poem by Kim Yuki (1580-1658), the three friends are brought together in order to underline the paradoxical contrast:

Peach and plum of springtime, don't flaunt your pretty blossoms;
Consider rather the old pine and green bamboo at year's end.
What can change these noble stems and their flourishing evergreen?

Since Sumin has plum tattoo, maybe Seju and Sungji represent pine and bamboo? Which one represent what is another question.

"Four Gentlemen" is also know as "Four Noble Ones" and they represent the plum blossom, the orchid, the chrysanthemum, and the bambo, The Four Gentlemen have been used in Chinese painting since the time of the Chinese Song dynasty (960–1279) because of their refined beauty, and were later adopted elsewhere in East Asia by artists in Korea, Japan, and Vietnam. As they represent the four different seasons (the plum blossom for winter, the orchid for spring, the chrysanthemum for autumn, and the bamboo for summer), the four are used to depict the unfolding of the seasons through the year.

Maybe this meaning can also be used if we put Nami in the mix? Same for the "Flowers of the Four Seasons", which consist of the orchid (spring), the lotus (summer), the chrysanthemum (autumn) and the plum blossom (winter).

This site also talks about the chinese meaning, but it's kind of big so I won't read it...

Martian posted:

"It's never too late to make amend" and there are also other meanings like infidelity, unfaithfulness etc

This is also a pretty good simbology for the story main plot as a whole since it is about Seju and Sumin healing from their broken relationship.

Rather than it symbolizing Sumin and Sungji together, I think it fits a lot more how Seju and Sumin are stuck at "winter" since it's when the flower blooms.

Well, that was pretty big, what I posted is all from wikipedia, didn't find much in other sites, it's kind of late here, over 03 am already, so I'm not thinking properly to search more and what it means in flower language, hope no part of my post ended up broken compared to the rest, so if anything doesn't make much sense please says that I'll fix it, what I said is what I could think of the meaning for now, kind of have limited brain capacity to think better about them because of the lack of sleep.

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Thanks for the explanation on the meaning of the flower Thiaguinho-sama

It could be like what queerturtle said. Sumin's waiting for winter to end and spring to come. She's simply hoping and waiting for a time when she will be happy again, and Sungji might be the long awaited spring. The one who would make her happy again.
I don't know if the meaning about that flower that I found is accurate, but maybe she's also waiting for a time where she'll finally be able to make amends with Seju. So they could both finally move on and be happy.

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Got busy and this thread really flew while I was away lol. Attempted to catch up with most of it, but I think I'll just point out about this tattoo discussion -- yellow flowers, yellow-haired lover... OTP :P

I think that if the flower really does mean waiting for winter to end and spring to come then it sounds pretty fitting. Especially since I could see Seju and Sumins past being the winter part and Sungji being the spring part. Now of course thats not saying that Sumin got the tattoo because of Seju/Sungji since she didn't know Sungji then, but she could have gotten it in hoping that one day she would meet that special person. However it's really anyone's guess as to why Sumin chose that tattoo lol.