Its interesting reading though the revised chapters, there is a change in the feeling of the story. Lets hope it keeps up.

I'm kind of irrationally disappointed to learn that Nakatani Nio is male, but, oh well... I guess guys can write good yuri too. Such as Chatting at the Amber Teahouse and... well, this too.

Woah, would I love to read The Lily in the Rear Garden! I feel like that whole "lily" thing should've clued people in who were expecting het stuff, but I suppose that not EVERYTHING with the word "lily" in it is yuri. Like... well, I don't know of any stories with "lily" in the title other than yuri.

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I'm kind of irrationally disappointed to learn that Nakatani Nio is male, but, oh well...

How did you come to that conclusion?

I'm kind of irrationally disappointed to learn that Nakatani Nio is male, but, oh well...

How did you come to that conclusion?

Hmm, I probably jumped to conclusions a bit. Randomly searching something on Google then reading one sentence of the first thing that comes up is never a good idea! Anyhow, it's quite nice to know that she isn't male.

I'm kind of irrationally disappointed to learn that Nakatani Nio is male, but, oh well...

How did you come to that conclusion?

Hmm, I probably jumped to conclusions a bit. Randomly searching something on Google then reading one sentence of the first thing that comes up is never a good idea! Anyhow, it's quite nice to know that she isn't male.

Good for you then
I already knew but I just didn't get how you got that idea, it's not like the extras precised anything
This is the interview btw

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I'm kind of irrationally disappointed to learn that Nakatani Nio is male, but, oh well...

How did you come to that conclusion?

Hmm, I probably jumped to conclusions a bit. Randomly searching something on Google then reading one sentence of the first thing that comes up is never a good idea! Anyhow, it's quite nice to know that she isn't male.

aw but Prism was great while it lasted and Shou is a male

The right one is indeed more readable. Maybe the glow effect should be reduced a bit though.

Thought the same about the glow, thank you :)

Nice art, deep and subtle writing, I'm really enjoying this so far. I just get the uneasy feeling that it might fall into drama at any point because I don't want that to happen. Guess I'm weird that way

Not that big on drama either, but I believe that this series will handle whatever drama it has in store well. Since it's Nakatani, there will not be random drama bombs thrown at us nor will any of it be painfully forced and dragged out, either.

I guess guys can write good yuri too. Such as Chatting at the Amber Teahouse and... well, this too.

As mentioned, Prism was pretty good. & I believe Sasameki Koto's author is male, too?

Many of the greatest yuri authors are male, in fact someone recently was shocked to learn that an author they loved was female, as they didn't know many females did good yuri.

Well, it's just that, as a dude, I feel that lesbians would know more about lesbian relationships than some random dude would. Sure, just because an author doesn't have personal experience with something doesn't necessarily mean that it's gonna be bad (ie: Sasameki Koto, Amber Teahouse), but I like the authenticity that writing about something with which you have personal experience adds, you know? Romance is romance no matter the gender of the people involved, but there are those little things that men wouldn't really know about... of course, since I am a dude, I can't really tell what they are (though, really, hanging around here for so long has taught me a few of those things...), so I just assume all the little things are little things that men wouldn't know about. Like... take Bright and Cheery Amnesia with its wonderful "INDIRECT BRA-ING" scene. Would that scene have been the same if it a guy who didn't know the distinction between different types of bras (like me) wrote it? ... Yeah, it would have been, so that's probably not a good manga to choose. Hmm... Flip Flappers then? I don't think a male writer would have known as much as whoever wrote it did (I'm hoping that the main writer is female so I can prove my point) about Class S yuri and how bad it is... plus, there's the nail clipper scene! I'm not sure if that's supposed to be an innuendo or not, but that's how I'm interpreting it, damn it.

Also, I admit that I'm pretty biased and I assume that every yuri thing made by men is inherently more fanservice-y than yuri made by women. I mean, compare Valkyrie Drive to anything written by Takemiya Jin. Of course, women have written many fanservice-y yuri manga as well, such as Sakura Trick and Mira's stuff, but... well, even Mira's manga have a decent plot while her stuff written by a dude would have a shitty plot or just jump right into the sex. But, really, I think women have more right to include yuri fanservice-y stuff than a man does. It feels less... lecherous, I guess. Certainly, I'd say the reverse holds true too; men have more of a right to include yaoi fanservice-y than women do. That's not really that common though, is it? (You know, speaking of men and yaoi, are there any popular yaoi manga/anime that are written by a dude? I would certainly love to read/watch it). But, well, this is just my own preconceived biases coming to play, and I accept fully that I'm being ridiculously irrational...

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Wow that's huge. Uh, I don't have an opinion/don't want to argue/I'm tired but I do want to reply to this line:

I feel that lesbians would know more about lesbian relationships than some random dude would.

Yeah probs, but then again, we were just like, talking about female/male writers earlier. A lot of women write yuri, but as to the authors' own sexual orientation, well, women who write yuri aren't necessarily gay.

Wow that's huge. Uh, I don't have an opinion/don't want to argue/I'm tired but I do want to reply to this line:

I feel that lesbians would know more about lesbian relationships than some random dude would.

Yeah probs, but then again, we were just like, talking about female/male writers earlier. A lot of women write yuri, but as to the authors' own sexual orientation, well, women who write yuri aren't necessarily gay.

That's true, but I'd say even if a straight woman does write yuri, they'd probably still know more about women than men. And, yeah, sorry if that thing's a bit daunting... I'm not trying to argue, just trying to justify my (frankly, quite stupid) belief.

That's true, but I'd say even if a straight woman does write yuri, they'd probably still know more about women than men. And, yeah, sorry if that thing's a bit daunting... I'm not trying to argue, just trying to justify my (frankly, quite stupid) belief.

I dunno, look at all the women who write yaoi....

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......okay, that kinda proves your point.

That's true, but I'd say even if a straight woman does write yuri, they'd probably still know more about women than men. And, yeah, sorry if that thing's a bit daunting... I'm not trying to argue, just trying to justify my (frankly, quite stupid) belief.

I dunno, look at all the women who write yaoi....

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......okay, that kinda proves your point.

You know, I never did really like yaoi since that whole seme/uke dynamic kinda creeps me out, especially with the more feminine one usually being the seme and the more masculine one usually being the uke... was it the other way around? (Yaoi without that stuff is pretty great though). Well, anyway, that kind of irks me a bit, and I feel like yaoi written by dudes or, even better, gay dudes would be a lot more realistic than that stuff. That being said, I'm pretty sure Prunus Girl was written by a woman, and I love that manga so much, especially since Aikawa's the more assertive one in their relationship.

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@minutoh I totally understand where you're coming from & I agree with your view to some extent. I, too, do tend to believe that women, in general, write more natural yuri since they know how to depict their own gender's emotions and experiences better. Tho I also think that some males can do great yuri, too, without turning it into mindless fanservice ^_^

@minutoh I totally understand where you're coming from & I agree with your view to some extent. I, too, do tend to believe that women, in general, write more natural yuri since they know how to depict their own gender's emotions and experiences better. Tho I also think that some males can do great yuri, too, without turning it into mindless fanservice ^_^

Certainly, men can write great yuri, but the problem is that they usually... don't. I was so excited for Valkyrie Drive at first. I mean, Soul Eater with lesbians? COUNT ME IN! Yeah, it was made by the people behind Senran Kagura, so I wasn't expecting much... but, it turned out to be pretty much borderline porn. There is so much that can be done with a concept like that and it was completely ruined...

But, yeah, all of Mujieda Fuyabi's (that's how I tried to spell it at first, anyway, but it's really Fujieda Miyabi) works are awesome, Prism and Sasameki Koto are great (as you mentioned), Hoshikawa Ginza District was great (though I think that blackmail strip photo thing which was completely ignored afterward is a pretty glaring sign that a dude wrote it...)... hmm, I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can think of now.

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Certainly, men can write great yuri, but the problem is that they usually... don't. I was so excited for Valkyrie Drive at first. I mean, Soul Eater with lesbians? COUNT ME IN! Yeah, it was made by the people behind Senran Kagura, so I wasn't expecting much... but, it turned out to be pretty much borderline porn. There is so much that can be done with a concept like that and it was completely ruined...

But, yeah, all of Mujieda Fuyabi's (that's how I tried to spell it at first, anyway, but it's really Fujieda Miyabi) works are awesome, Prism and Sasameki Koto are great (as you mentioned), Hoshikawa Ginza District was great (though I think that blackmail strip photo thing which was completely ignored afterward is a pretty glaring sign that a dude wrote it...)... hmm, I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can think of now.

Yeah, I hear ya. Was not a big fan of VD either...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I love Kunihiko Ikuhara & much of his contribution to yuri, even YKA.

Certainly, men can write great yuri, but the problem is that they usually... don't. I was so excited for Valkyrie Drive at first. I mean, Soul Eater with lesbians? COUNT ME IN! Yeah, it was made by the people behind Senran Kagura, so I wasn't expecting much... but, it turned out to be pretty much borderline porn. There is so much that can be done with a concept like that and it was completely ruined...

But, yeah, all of Mujieda Fuyabi's (that's how I tried to spell it at first, anyway, but it's really Fujieda Miyabi) works are awesome, Prism and Sasameki Koto are great (as you mentioned), Hoshikawa Ginza District was great (though I think that blackmail strip photo thing which was completely ignored afterward is a pretty glaring sign that a dude wrote it...)... hmm, I'm sure there's more, but that's all I can think of now.

Yeah, I hear ya. Was not a big fan of VD either...

Not everyone is going to agree, but I love Kunihiko Ikuhara & much of his contribution to yuri, even YKA.

Oh yeah, I loved YKA. I still haven't watched Utena or Penguindrum (I don't think this is yuri but not sure) yet, but I definitely need to some time soon.

... You know, I really derailed this thread, so I'd like to get it back on track. Uh, well, the "different cup sizes" thing is yet another example of why yuri written by women is just better. I never really noticed that Sayaka apparently has a bigger chest than Touko, but that's a testament to the lack of sexualization in this manga! Or a testament to my ignorance of chest size, I guess, I don't know. Thought it was pretty funny that Sayaka's gaze was immediately drawn to the boobs while Yuu's gaze was immediately drawn to the legs... Also, that play looks awesome, I can't wait for the play chapter to come out.

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Regarding women writing about women's lives, there are little things that women do notice as part of their lives that might find its way into a story that male authors might not pick up on. Like in the Alien Girl art, where the assistant has to straighten her wavy hair after a shower. Or one story I was told about where a woman working in an office wore sneakers to work and changed to heels that she kept in her desk when she got to work. I mean hell, I've done that myself.

One case I heard about was a story where a woman comes home from work, exhausted. She has a shower, then puts her bra back on before watching TV for a while before bed. Every single woman I know who heard about that immediately commented "Yup, male author". It's the little things.

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Is it wrong for me to ship Yuu's two middleschool underclassmen together because they appeared onscreen with each other for a few pages?

^ Yes, it is a crime.

Yes. Your opinion is wrong.

I'm usually more fond of the more political, outright lesbian yuri stories, cute girls blushing at each other gets fucking old after a while. And it feels like those are usually written by queer women.

Although I do have quite the fondness for Virgins Empire, and Kishi Torajima's works more generally. He's a funny mix of writing, on the one hand he's got blatant male gaze, and constant sexual objectification of his characters... And yet he can also write with a lot of sensitivity and empathy when he wants to, and he captures that nervously jokey teenage flirting as well as anyone.

http://rhamesy.tumblr.com/post/155009472744/yagate-kimi-ni-naru-ch-18-japanese-raws

Japanese Raw of chapter 18.

My heart is jumping off my chest and it's a mess, much like Yuu's confused mind

Aw now I feel bad for Yuu :(