NightRequiem posted:

She has no name. When in the final page Master says she'll ask Mel to call her by name, this is a joke where the author is acknowledging that no one ever called Master by name throughout the whole series.

Ohhh It was a joke, or maybe just to emphasize how important Mel is to her by being one of the first people she actually asks to call her by name.

Considering Mel ends up not calling her her name because she is too embarrassed so we never learn it, Itou was trolling us from the start.

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Also I really hoped after hearing the real purpose of this school, MC would react with something like "That's fine by me" or "That is better than before", because it would really sold us on how fucked up her home situation was and that it really was better alternative. And sure she can still say something like that next chapter, but I'm not holding my breath for it. It seems to be played straight, as her not knowing what this school was and she'll most likely be either trying to cope with it or making a fuss about it.

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Pyoro posted:

I'd disagree though about the "at least" portion. Slavery (and that's what this is) doesn't get any better "just" because people are only raped occasionally and not as much as in your average hentai manga.

I meant it as silver lining. As in, it could be worse (assuming I'm even right about that).

kiby posted:

They're trophy wives, taken to an extreme. They have to be pretty and smart to make their new owner look better in his social circles.

Good point. I didn't think about it like that.

At least it is implied that the guys who buy them are not just looking for sex slaves? I mean if that was the case they wouldn't bother finding/making smartest girls possible, if all they would ever do be a fuck toy. If their only purpose was to please their buyer, how to do it well would be all they are ever taught. It seems to be implied that they are actually promised a good life, as long as they are willing to follow and devote their life to random guy who buys them. I mean, otherwise MC's escaping her abusive (or whatever the reason was) house to go here, would be completely pointless. Unless her saying "anything is better than that house" cued the guy she is fine with being sex toy. Especially since his "There're many girls just like you here." suggest everyone choose this school to run away from something else. Considering MC didn't know the purpose of school, I'm confused whatever girls are tricked into it or it is a conscious choice. I know MC not knowing is just a plot device to keep first chapter mysterious, but still it pose some serious questions.

Either way I liked the way it was set up so far and character have potential, assuming everyone has some fucked up history to tell, but considering their alternative to having fucked up environment is to pick different fucked up environment, I don't have high hopes for this series. It really feels like it will just go the route of angst where girls fall for each other, but there is always the fate of being sold looming over them.

And to all people saying it feels familiar. Girls attending school to be sold to guys is just your typical fucked up hentai setting.

matsuri_wins posted:

Also you based all those scenarios on Utena where she fucked a guy as a replacement for girl, but she was 100% aware of that.

Holy crap, was she aware? lmao I watched it long ago so...I thought for 99% of the series she wasn't consciously aware she was attracted to Anthy. Anyway I digress.

Lol I have no clue. I never watched Utena xD From the way you talked about it sounded like she was aware. I mean she talked about Anthy during sex. If not then my bad x3

All I'm saying is that if Kaoru doesn't develop any feelings for Uta, the story is pointless

Em, why? Do all stories have to end up with 2 main characters getting together? Just because it doesn't have a happy ending, it doesn't make the story pointless. In stories like that getting to that ending is often what is the most interesting/entertaining part of the story. Though we already established that part was already seriously fucked up by author's/editorial inability to write/pace manga. And even then, who says that ending has to be sad? Uta could as well end up finding someone else, after being rejected by Kaoru. Also you act as if by virtue of being romance we were promised something, when we have no guarantee them being together is even a end goal author is aiming for. In fact, it is called "My Unrequited Love" for crying out load. Saying story named like that has no right to end without them getting together, is like saying manga called "Happy End" can't have one (ok fine, that one is bad example, but you get my point). It is all on the tin.

I'm assuming there is a point to the story other than "I had a crush on my sister-in-law and it predictably never went anywhere", so there MUST be a way for Kaoru to be attracted to Uta. I'm just providing potential explanations.

Or author might want to write a sad story about someone's unrequited love. Just a thought. Did you never heard about tragedies? Are you telling me they are all pointless? I'm sorry but that way of thinking is definition of wishful thinking.

I'll admit I don't really remember most of earlier chapters anymore, but since I lost interest in series, I'm not willing to go and re-read them just to make sure I forgot about something, so I'm just going from memory of what I do remember. Still regardless, the whole "Kaoru loves Uta subconsciously" feels more like excusing bad writing by saying absence of her feelings, proves that she loves her, instead of just author forgetting to actually include it in the story.

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Also

matsuri_wins posted:

1. A character can only like one person at a time

Sorry, but liking more than 1 person at the time is very uncommon in real world, yet alone in manga, where author usually follows very well established tropes and scenarios. And especially considering what we got so far, I'm very skeptical this author is going for some very unexpected subversion and twist with typical formula.

1. If they like a person they must act on it

Well, she liked Reiichi and acted on it, for 10 years, despite being constantly rejected. I have really hard time believing she wouldn't do the same or at least do something, if she was aware of having any feelings for Uta. Kaoru is, or at least was, very assertive in her pursue of love.

1. If they like a person now, they must have always liked them

We have no clue when or if at all, she likes Uta. And again, it assumes Kaoru at some point, consciously or not, started to like Uta while being in middle of decade long pursue of her current husband. It really takes some suspension of disbelieve, to think she could even unconsciously develop feelings for Uta during actively trying to marry someone else. I actually would be more willing to believe it if it was a real life story, since real life is often way crazier and random than people think, but in manga, nobody is going to come up with something like that.

1. If they like a person, they MUST be fully aware of it

Sure, she might like Uta subconsciously at some level, but your entire assumptions hinges on way too many unknowns. When exactly she started to notice Uta? When her feelings actually become those of love? If she is aware of those feelings would she actually want to act on them? You say we have all of those assumptions about love and wrongly base our understanding of the story on them, when all you do is just pick assumptions that you like more, without even trying to fit them anywhere into story. Except for that 1 line about Reiichi and Uta being interchangeable, nothing else support your assumptions. You gave no evidence from manga showing Kaoru being subconsciously drawn to Uta. You didn't even try explaining how your supposedly totally realistic time line of Kaoru falling for Uta works. You even contradicted yourself few times. First saying only reason she pursued Reiichi was to become part of Uta's family and then saying she wanted to be part of Reiichi family and in process become close to Uta, to then change she wanted to be part of Reiichi and Uta family, but more for Uta. You even admitted 10 years ago Uta was just a child, but now that she is teenager Kaoru is obviously attracted to her? How does that work? We have no clue how many interactions Kaoru had with Uta through those 10 years and how close they really were, yet that somehow proves she totally loves her subconsciously? Also you based all those scenarios on Utena where she fucked a guy as a replacement for girl, but she was 100% aware of that. How does that support idea someone who loves someone subconsciously would go out of their way to do that? You constantly switch between her not knowing it consciously and her totally acting on it because she is aware of it.

You said learning Uta has feelings for her might change her perception of her, yet that is not what happened at all. She actively ignored her confession, kept denying it until it wasn't humanely possible anymore and only decided to address it after her friend told her to get her shit together. If she was aware of her feelings for Uta, she would do something immediately or at least we would be shown her being torn over it. We don't, she pretends it never happened. If she wasn't aware of her feelings, she would at least start to think back and maybe notice she always felt something more to her, it could be trigger for her to realize it. If she fallen for her subconsciously, she couldn't be too much against idea of Uta liking her. Yet again, she pretends it didn't happen and acts as if it was only a burden that is better off being forgotten. I'm failing to see how it is a behavior of someone who was repressing their feelings for X years or how long even you actually expect her to have this subconscious crush. You don't really give any evidence supporting it in the story expect for, she thinks Uta and Reiichi are interchangeable and her lack of thoughts and actions, which can be explained by her not being aware of it. Sorry, but to me it just sounds like wishful thinking that this story will have a yuri ending. And the sad part is, by all means, it shouldn't, but I can bet author (or editorial stuff) will come up with some bs to actually make it happen.

Blastaar posted:

But actually, Chapter 17 began with a flashback confirming--wait for it--that Uta actually confessed!

Calling it a flashback is way too generous. It was 1 panel with her inner thoughts saying it happened.

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Next chapter should answer whatever matsuri_wins assumptions are true or not (assuming they will actually fucking talk), but based on what we got so far, I can't help but feel it is a clear example of filling in the gaps. Author left too many holes in story, so filling them with what you want is very easy.

Not to mention it is very shitty thing to do to other person.

whitenight2013 posted:

Well I don't see a one-shot tag

Maybe because there isn't one.

matsuri_wins posted:

Isn't it suggested she chased him to be around Uta in some capacity?

I don't think that was the case. And I already went into details why chasing him for a decade to marry him, just so she can be close to Uta, instead, you know, just chasing Uta, makes no sense. Well it was more people suggesting he married Kaoru, so she can realize she likes Uta and he intentionally plays a bad husband part, so she will go to her, which is even more retarded than first option.

matsuri_wins posted:

Wait. Why does everyone seem to assume Kaoru isn't attracted to Uta?

Because she chased her current husband for a decade? Even if she is bi, there is no sign she currently has any attraction to Uta. Especially after completely ignoring her confession and delaying addressing it as long as humanly possible.

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BugDevil posted:

deltahalo241 posted:

Am I the only one glad that this didn't do the usual 'Couples entry, but not homosexual couples' that I've seen in other manga?

It is actually a thing? I never saw it.

If it is that must be a pretty niche trope.

I mean sure, I can see them not recognizing homosexual couple as a couple and refuse to serve them/give them discount, but I'm yet to see it being only written/mentioned in passing.

nagas posted:

Ehh that's uncommon. The Albino Girl and the Witch is fairly popular, I'm surprised that it's not here. Well if you want to read it here https://nhentai.net/artist/tendou-itsuki/

It's not here because they sell it online and got ultra mad it was illegally scanlated and posted online which make them lose money and motivation to work on it, so they told everyone to delete it asap.

deltahalo241 posted:

Am I the only one glad that this didn't do the usual 'Couples entry, but not homosexual couples' that I've seen in other manga?

It is actually a thing? I never saw it.

random posted:

Strictly speaking the actual age limit varies by legislation

Yes, but most people assume 18 by default.

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HayaH posted:

Not sure it could be called a rape.

Well your opinion is irrelevant. People will tell you it was statutory rape and that is all that matters. You can't have adult having sex with someone below 18 without them raping them in the process. Welcome to real world.

TeruMoko posted:

Wait isn't it your job to shut down people who read something like this and REALLY want to discuss the parts with which they feel discomfort? Like stand the fuck back, Imma talk about this shit with goddamn passion!

I suggest you sit the fuck down yourself.

Wow really?

Yes, I'm telling you to drop it and walk away from this discussion. Is that not clear?

No it's not really clear at all. Do you have a point or just acting a tough guy because you can?

Yes, the point is that is that it's not acceptable to act that way towards a mod here. Is that clear, or do you have some more incredulous comments?

Wow you are a real fucking piece of work you know that? Do you act this way in real life? Just holy shit I actually feel bad for you in a way. Seriously though, does this kind of exchange ever work out the way you hope? I mean you here you go rolling up on someone acting like a fucking thug and this is supposed to engender some kind of positive response on my part? Fucking wow. All you had to do was show the smallest amount of respect and I would have been fine. Good luck with life tough guy.

Well you insulted mod saying they do shitty job, because whenever there is a actual conversation going about stuff in story, they shut it down, so you're going 100% ignore them and keep on going despite warnings. I don't think you really can talk about being respectful, after telling someone to piss off. Also you know, it's their forum and they're the ones deciding what is and isn't appropriate, so you're free to write what you want, but in the end it is you who will have to feel the consequences, not them. So like, yea, you're kinda on lost position here, whatever you consider it fair or not.

EDIT/ And obviously they got banned, figured it will happen.

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There is also story telling side to take into account. Sometimes it isn't about what make sense logically, but what make sense narratively. Author clearly wanted to have a emotional scene with Kurokawa being hurt and Fujishiro getting into some troubles because of that, to increase the tension, probably for future chapters where Kurokawa will finally question what exactly she wants from Fujishiro. So author came up with scene that fit it narratively. I'm pretty sure they didn't try to make it realistic, but rather serve the purpose they had in mind for the story.

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It was adorable <3

magicmaka posted:

a manga about a ~ 30 year old woman who is unemployed and it's just about her boring life as an unemployed person. I cant remember what it's called or if its still on this site

This?

Nezchan posted:

Fucking.

Drop.

It.

Then you should have deleted White Rose post as well since it was them provoking it again with some bs win talk.

karp posted:

I would get on board if this manga gets totally batshit and they have a relationship and get married and adopt children and all the while one of them totally believes it's all just so they know how to draw similar scenes in their manga.

So basically they would play chicken xP? After third child, Kano would be like "Ok, it's too gay, let's stop. I got enough material for manga."

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WithAOne posted:

Anyways; I love this, wonder what the mother was thinking, "tell someone how you feel" doesn't immediately make me think "oh, she's trying to say 'I love you'". It probably makes more sense in Japanese.

Idk "I don't know how to express my feelings" sounds like something that you would say mainly when talking about love. She kept who it was a secret and mom even asked her if she likes them and she said yes, so I don't think it was that off of her to think it. Also this misunderstanding is the entire joke.

Orangey posted:

I'm guessing this was meant to be longer but got cancelled? That ending felt way too rushed otherwise

Seems like it was meant to be one shot, then author decided to expend story and wrote second one shot and then wrote third one.