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I agree: you’re totally crazy to think something is up.

I think he/she is a literature teacher

That’s not how a literature teacher interprets textual evidence.

No, they interprets the author's thoughts which some author didn't even know they've been thinking like that.
True story from my country

Literary interpretation and paranoia are both forms of pattern recognition, but they aren't the same thing.

"Yuri-scepticism" is a trauma-induced form of neurosis that manifests in a kind of paranoia where, when characters in a story repeatedly say "we're dating," the paranoiac responds "they're not dating."

Stop picking on me (sob). I know, I have a problem (hic). I tried to get treatment, but my health insurance won't pay for anti-yuri-scepticism medication (sob).

Chidori's "neither of us has a boyfriend, but..." line is just her saying, "We don't have 'boyfriends' per se, but we are each other's 'girlfriend'" in response to a question about boyfriends. There's zero implication that Chidori thinks that one of them having a boyfriend would be acceptable. Her feeling sad over some boy Nanoha might have liked 3 years ago is pretty good indication that she wouldn't be okay at all with Nanoha having a boyfriend.

And I tend to be pretty sympathetic to how slowly their relationship develops. I remember my first relationship in high school. We were super awkward around each other and barely did anything couple-like for months. These two started dating around the beginning of April, and it's probably some time in June now, so it really hasn't been that long. For some people it just takes time.

Also, we can see inside these characters' heads, and it's very clear that much of their awkwardness comes from their embarrassment over their intense attraction to each other.

Yes, yes, all of those are valid points. I not really arguing against them being in love. I'm saying Chidori's weird, casual, thought that neither of them had a boyfriend, set off my fake yuri detector, and that's turning Chidori and Nanoha's slow pace from cute to painful, for me.
I pretty sure I know what Chidori was getting at with that thought. It just struck me wrong. Why would Chidori start an inner monolog, by clarifying that neither of them had a boyfriend. Shouldn't that have been a given. Until that moment I wasn't even thinking boyfriend, then bam Chidori brought it up. It's like that comedy bit, when a character casually asks a another characte: "hey what's up". And, the other character suddenly gets defensive, and says something like: "Nothings up! Why would something be up!? You're totally crazy to think something is up!" It completely clues the character into something being up.

Actually, I can't argue with any of that, but their going soooooo slooooooow. I want more, and my yuri-skeptic senses are starting to tingle. They're saying these two aren't really dating. They're just a couple of bored girl, at an all girls school, playing a love game. (I know I can be a yuri-cynic sometimes, but I just can't help

Edit: I have had that feeling ever since ch 13. Chidori felt the need to state neither she nor Nanoha had a boyfriend. I thought: If they were seriously dating, shouldn't not having boyfriends go without saying.

“Go without saying” to who? Their friends? The basic premise of the entire story, one that gets repeated so often that readers complain about it, is that their relationship is a SECRET.

Chidori “felt the need” to say that she did not have, and was not looking for, a boyfriend in response to the following question: “Chidori, aren’t you going to get a boyfriend?”

I have no idea how that (or anything else in the series, for that matter) translates into evidence for a “bored high-school girls playing a love game” theory.

Chidori's declaration of, neither of them having a boyfriend, was part of a inner monolog, ch13, pgs 6, 7,8. She was angsting a bit over Nanoha having a past crush on a boy. It just seemed to me, like Chidori was thinking that one of them getting a boyfriend wasn't necessarily a deal breaker, for their relationship. I totally admit it's wasn't really a big deal. Certainly not enough to dismiss their relationship as fake. But, add how stand-offish they are physically, and my admittedly overactive yuri-skepticism starts buzzing.

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I don't see why Chidori and Nanoha keep saying they're dating, because they're really not. I mean, how is what they are doing together any different than being close friends.

A number or yuri have actually pointed out how the early dates are like being out with close friends.
I don't see how you can say they are not dating just because their pace isn't further along. They are "seeing" each other. That alone entails a certain level of behavior towards each other.

Different people move at different paces. I once came across a woman with relationship experience who said she had never actually gone on anything she considered an actual date before.

Actually, I can't argue with any of that, but their going soooooo slooooooow. I want more, and my yuri-skeptic senses are starting to tingle. They're saying these two aren't really dating. They're just a couple of bored girl, at an all girls school, playing a love game. (I know I can be a yuri-cynic sometimes, but I just can't help

Edit: I have had that feeling ever since ch 13. Chidori felt the need to state neither she nor Nanoha had a boyfriend. I thought: If they were seriously dating, shouldn't not having boyfriends go without saying.

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I don't see why Chidori and Nanoha keep saying they're dating, because they're really not. I mean, how is what they are doing together any different than being close friends.

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Body swap? Kaoru-sensei doesn't want to "keep things up in the air like this?" WTF?

Or just maybe . . . Kaoru's reticence has always been about her repressing a deep-seated volcanic sex drive that's finally erupting in a spectacular explosion of white-hot glowing sexual lava!

Or not.

Ha Ha Ha sexual lava.

I'm wondering if we should have sex?

YES YES YES!!!
Seriously, they have been together for over two years. It's way over due, in my opinion.

I can't get into this series, since I discovered that Ootori Manhiro is a guy. All I can think is: This reads like the fantasy of a teenage boy.

So if the author was a woman then suddenly it would be better and more acceptable? If Comiket has taught me anything, it's that women have fantasies just as weird and fucked up as men.
I can't even imagine what the reactions here would be if Mira was revealed to be a man, makes me wonder how many yuri authors pretend to be women just to avoid this kind of comment.

Anyway, I might be the only one, but I actually enjoy this manga, the art is pretty unique (though the proportions are a bit random) and it's like reading a story set in a different universe where our moral and logic doesn't apply.

I would much rather read a ecchi story writen by a woman. It feels like I'm sharing a fantacy with her, very sexy. While reading a ecchi story by a guy, feels kinda awkward, a little like watching porn with a room full of your friends.

Plus I find guys tend to write women too raunchy. Women can write sex too, but their work leans towards more subtle. I have always suspected Mira as being a guy.

I doubt Mira is a guy. She is pretty well documented as a woman in addition to the fact that her writing style is pretty feminine although that by itself is never a good indicator of the sex of the author. Some of the most horrifying, rape-filled, guro torture porn I have stumbled across was written by a woman and I have seen cute fuzzy yuri love stories written by men.

I know women can write some deprived stuff. Morinaga Milk, and Morishima Akiko have some pretty pornographic stories. Women's porn just seems to aim more towards the mental and the emotional. While men seem to get stuck on the physical. I really can't explain it well. It's more a feeling I get when I read the story. Sometimes I'm wrong, but most of the time I nail it.
The only bio I've seen on Mira, has gender listed as NA.

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I can't get into this series, since I discovered that Ootori Manhiro is a guy. All I can think is: This reads like the fantasy of a teenage boy.

So if the author was a woman then suddenly it would be better and more acceptable? If Comiket has taught me anything, it's that women have fantasies just as weird and fucked up as men.
I can't even imagine what the reactions here would be if Mira was revealed to be a man, makes me wonder how many yuri authors pretend to be women just to avoid this kind of comment.

Anyway, I might be the only one, but I actually enjoy this manga, the art is pretty unique (though the proportions are a bit random) and it's like reading a story set in a different universe where our moral and logic doesn't apply.

I would much rather read a ecchi story writen by a woman. It feels like I'm sharing a fantacy with her, very sexy. While reading a ecchi story by a guy, feels kinda awkward, a little like watching porn with a room full of your friends.

Plus I find guys tend to write women too raunchy. Women can write sex too, but their work leans towards more subtle. I have always suspected Mira as being a guy.

I doubt Mira is a guy. She is pretty well documented as a woman in addition to the fact that her writing style is pretty feminine although that by itself is never a good indicator of the sex of the author. Some of the most horrifying, rape-filled, guro torture porn I have stumbled across was written by a woman and I have seen cute fuzzy yuri love stories written by men.

I know women can write some deprived stuff. Morinaga Milk, and Morishima Akiko have some pretty pornographic stories. Women's porn just seems to aim more towards the mental and the emotional. While men seem to get stuck on the physical. I really can't explain it well. It's more a feeling I get when I read the story. Sometimes I'm wrong, but most of the time I nail it.
The only bio I've seen on Mira, has gender listed as NA.

Not really fan of stories where one side of the couple-to-be knows the other one has feelings for them, and they have feelings for the other one, but choose to not do anything and wait for the other one to confess, even if it takes years. Still cute enough story.

i'm with you one that one. I especially hate it when the one who knows, dates other people, in order to make their love jealous, and confess. Nothing tells the women you love, that you're interested in a lesbian relationship with them, like sleeping with a bunch of guys. There is no chance, that she'll get the wrong idea, that you're straight, and give up on you, with a clear message like that.

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One of these days we can get past the "but we're both girls!" trope.

I go back and forth, about that trope. Sometimes it's cute, but other times, it gets annoying, especially when it comes late in a series. When you're 20 - 25 chapters in, and the MCs have already had a few romantic moments, together, then one of them suddenly busts out the "but we're both girls" line, all I can think is argh, I thought we had got past that stage in their relationship. I think the author is just using the trope, to prolong the series, at that point.

You got to love it, when women objectify other women. lol.

Man, are lesbians really that into boobs? I guess I always pictured lesbians' physical attraction, to other girls, more abstract, and sophisticated, than men's.

Can't speak for others of course, but for me it's kind of both. There's definitely things that are more abstract, and her having a nice body is less important to me than warmth, curiosity, and a cute face when it comes to me being attracted to her. On the other hand, boobs are still amazing (though I can't say I'd approach someone for her boobs alone). IMO, there's nothing that sophisticated about us compared to guys who like women.

Well, yeah, boobs are amazing. I guess I can't argue with that.

Expanded version of https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/original_yuri_manga_1 with 4 new pages, will try to get threads merged and remove the old version eventually.

You might want to add the last image to the images, since it doesn't show up anywhere else.

I was thinking I've read this before. The extra pages threw me, though.

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CUTE!!!

You got to love it, when women objectify other women. lol.

Man, are lesbians really that into boobs? I guess I always pictured lesbians' physical attraction, to other girls, more abstract, and sophisticated, than men's.

I said a hunk a hunk of burning love.

CARPE DIEM BABY

I'm with Yamanaka-sensei on this. Those kids seem to be having thoughts, that they're at least 5 years to young for.

No sweets, bizarre costumes, not being able to date, man, japanese idol groups really have it rough. Why would anybody want that life.

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Rape is not a crime, if the queen does it.

I want follow up story. A dramody about there married live together. I really want a semi-serious look on how a lesbian married couple make their way in a heteronormative world.

Wow, a yuri wedding. I guess it "isn't just an all girl school thing" after all. Love and yuri to death do us part!

Man, nothing says love like refraining from, tying your partner up, and raping them. Just one more piece of evidence, that supports my claim, that japanese take rape too casually.

Have you read Chinese manhua and novels? I don't think it's factual to say Japanese take rape too casually. This whole manga portrait Tio as a very aggressive taker, she says she want to rape Thea, but she never did it because she would never want to hurt Thea. What she's essentially doing is making Thea more aware of her (Tio and Thea's) feeling. It is obvious that Thea has romantic feeling for Tio, but she is hesitant to take a step forward and Tio knows this that's why she keep pushing.
If I have to say it Thea is a coward when it comes to opening up to relationship, she will always run away if someone don't be aggressive with their approach. Tio's method is not "nice", but I think it works best with Thea and once again the rape thing is blown out of proportion in my opinion.

I have a strong hunch, men "being aggressive" is one of the major reasons the Me too movement was started. That whole "She wants me, but she's just too scared to act on it. So all I have to do is give her a push" attitude seems like a recipe for a rape charge, to me.
I admit this story was rather innocuous, but the casual use of rape, is an issue in manga, and anime. While I'm not the type of person who attack people, who like stories with rape in them. I do find it a bit uncomfortable when rape is treated like it's no big deal.
Oh, and just because the chinese have worse attitudes toward rape, doesn't mean the japanese are all good.

The Me Too Movement is another hell hole altogether, personally I think it has too many flaws. I think what I meant is that the Japanese doesn't strike me as taking rape too casually. Taking rape casually seems more of a Chinese thing, unless it is hentai then the rape is treated casually, but in a normal manga I don't see it. I was just giving Chinese as an example of what real casual attitude is, not to say because one is worst the other is better.
I do admit that there are cases out there that this "she wants me, but too scared" happened, but I'm just looking at the clues giving through the manga, not any real life situations. If we talk real life situation there are men being accused of rapes or molestation, but people tend to sympathize women and immediately discredit their stories.

Lets just agree to disagree. I know I've read several manga where rape was used too lightly. The series, Kimi Wa Shoujo, and Happy Sugar Life, comes, immediately to mind, but I know there are others.
The thing is I've heard, admittedly unsubstantiated, stories, about japanese rapist going free. One story where a rapist got his victom pregnant, and the judge let the guy off, because he didn't want to break up a family. It all feeds into my image of japan.
I too don't like people's lives getting ruined by mere accusations, but in the end that's just the nature of the beast. At the heart of it, rape boils down to a he said, she said crime. Men have been getting the benefit of the doubt, pretty much from the beginning of time. That is, if the culture even considered rape a crime. Now the pendulum, is just starting to swing the other way. Men are just going to have to suck it up, and watch their p's and q's. Maybe men will learn to be more sensitive, to women, and women will learn to be more assertive when they want men to back off.

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Man, nothing says love like refraining from, tying your partner up, and raping them. Just one more piece of evidence, that supports my claim, that japanese take rape too casually.

Have you read Chinese manhua and novels? I don't think it's factual to say Japanese take rape too casually. This whole manga portrait Tio as a very aggressive taker, she says she want to rape Thea, but she never did it because she would never want to hurt Thea. What she's essentially doing is making Thea more aware of her (Tio and Thea's) feeling. It is obvious that Thea has romantic feeling for Tio, but she is hesitant to take a step forward and Tio knows this that's why she keep pushing.
If I have to say it Thea is a coward when it comes to opening up to relationship, she will always run away if someone don't be aggressive with their approach. Tio's method is not "nice", but I think it works best with Thea and once again the rape thing is blown out of proportion in my opinion.

I have a strong hunch, men "being aggressive" is one of the major reasons the Me too movement was started. That whole "She wants me, but she's just too scared to act on it. So all I have to do is give her a push" attitude seems like a recipe for a rape charge, to me.
I admit this story was rather innocuous, but the casual use of rape, is an issue in manga, and anime. While I'm not the type of person who attack people, who like stories with rape in them. I do find it a bit uncomfortable when rape is treated like it's no big deal.
Oh, and just because the chinese have worse attitudes toward rape, doesn't mean the japanese are all good.

If you can't tell the difference between a package of suger, and one salt, then you got bigger problems than not being able to cook.

Man, nothing says love like refraining from, tying your partner up, and raping them. Just one more piece of evidence, that supports my claim, that japanese take rape too casually.