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SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

The whole boob fondling reminded me of how Ai and Chie started out, so I went back and re-read some early chapters, noticing a couple of things:
A: Damn, Chie used to be kinda an asshole.
B: Onoda was always super gay, and super pining for just all girls, an absolute key smasher.

Yeah, Onoda has been one of the absolute gayest girls since the very beginning. Like she is absolutely not single-target gay just for Haruka, she's always checking out the other girls.

We don't know as much about Haruka, but given her thoughts about how she's messed up previous friendships, she's apparently that way too.

I like their romance a lot, it feels a lot more "real gay" than most yuri I think.

joined Oct 5, 2016

I think the big change we saw in Shima comes from a bit of introspection after the trip to Nagoya with Tarumi, and then just the hilariousness of her "date" with Adachi following almost exactly the same pattern. Two trips to Nagoya and having to run for the train? Check. Overcrowded with only one seat in the corner? Check. Same chocolate store? Check. It was like her trip with Tarumi was simply an ironic practice run...

Yeah, it felt like Shimamura's thought process was like

"Man I'm being kind of a shitty friend to Tarumi. But then that's just how I always am. Well, no, I guess that's not true, I don't want to be like this to Adachi, she's important to me."

It's not like she had an Adachi-style "oh man I'm totally gay" moment, but it did kinda give her some clarity. Not that like she needs to make more of an effort for Adachi's sake, but that she wants to all on her own.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Big thanks for the awesome chapter dump, you guys are the best.

Regarding the books, god damn I was already bitching a little about Shimamura feeling just way too clueless, and now if anything she got even worse this volume! Like at least in previous volumes she had some lines which showed how she was very deep in denial, but this volume she just seemed straight-up clueless.

I guess if I'm being fair that's not entirely true, Shimamura's expending more effort now for Adachi's sake. Like when she's shopping for chocolate and her friend naturally assumes it must be for a boyfriend, or the message she posts, or the public hug when she obviously notices that everyone else around them is a hetero couple. But also goddamn it Shimamura, Adachi's running herself ragged obsessing over you and you barely even return her text messages!

I dunno, I think the series is best when its obstacles are more like the public pressure to conform and the girls' self-denial resulting from that, with the occasional splash of just horrible teenage awkwardness. It starts to drag a bit when it's just Adachi obsessing over an oblivious Shimamura.

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

It's also that like, Kanae's been lowkey one of the gayest girls in the whole series. She's checked out multiple girls, and gets extra-flustered when anyone starts getting jokingly pervy. She just hasn't had anyone to get her gay on with until now.

joined Oct 5, 2016

It just seems weird though, because early on the whole point of them seeking out each other specifically was that they -weren't- just lonely. Konatsu asks herself why she's obsessing over this one girl instead of just hanging out with her classmates if she's so lonely, and she doesn't have an answer.

Like up until this arc the character development and writing was great, and it was subtle and rewarded close reading. And then we get to this arc and I don't get why the characters are making their decisions or doing what they're doing.

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

Do you think Kaoru actually likes Mask or if she just likes the thrill of pursuing a girl who can't fall for her charms

I don't think even kaoru knows

joined Oct 5, 2016

Apparently the mangaka has come out and said that there is no gay.

Which breaks my heart, because that takes this series from "two introverted loners find love and discover themselves" to "two autistic fuckheads struggle with basic human communication."

This level of pining and drama and anxiety just doesn't make sense to me without a romantic element. I couldn't get enough of this series when the first vol was being released, but now I'm pretty close to dropping it...

The author has not said there's no gay, she said she doesn't consider it yuri.

But 'yuri' doesn't have to mean 'gay stuff, it's frequently used more to refer to just the romance genre of fluffy cute girls crushing on each other stuff. It can still be hella gay but not be yuri.

joined Oct 5, 2016

I wonder if Shimamura broke what's-her-face's heart, or if it was the other way around...

I got the impression the other girl was never that invested in their friendship, at least compared to shimamura. Guess we'll see though.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Things that were great this chapter:

Adachi nearly melting down out of embarrassment at asking Shima about valentine's.
Adachi nearly melting down out of joy at Shimamura calling her hair style cute
Adachi trying to give Shimamura a "you make me a better person!" speech like, right outside their classroom, and inevitably failing
Adachi getting so wound up in her little romantic fantasies with Shimamura that she can't even muster up her normal "it's not like I have a crush on her tho" narration.
The inevitable coming punchline of Adachi getting handcrafted chocolates from Shimamura and being like, "Oh god, anything but more chocolate"

Now please author, some dang Shimamura development already please

last edited at Sep 17, 2019 2:43PM

joined Oct 5, 2016

Something I like about this series is how very, very teenage they are, especially Adachi. Like lots of yuri series (or really just anime in general) is all about teenagers acting the way teenagers want to think they act, like little mini-adults. Adachi and Shimamura are just kinda figuring everything out as they go along. And not just how they feel about each other, but just like, how to flirt, how to date, how to express themselves. And they regularly screw it up too and just act weird and awkward and self-conscious. It's very endearing.

joined Oct 5, 2016

I feel like Asuka is subtly feeling rejected.

Like from her perspective she's got a crush on this girl, flirts with her, kinda gets mixed signals back, never quite clear if Tomoko's into girls or not. They're gradually getting closer, and they hang out a lot more, but also it's always for school stuff, like studying or the college tour, they never just hang out to hang out. Asuka keeps trying to come up with more excuses to spend time together, and Tomoko seems into it, but then also keeps inviting her other friends along - or her friends will invite Tomoko to just hang out casually, and Tomoko never invites Asuka along.

None of this is really Tomoko being uninterested, she's just A) socially awkward, and B) has low self esteem and it never even occurs to her that Asuka might be hitting on her.

This has especially been coming to a head regarding Yuu. Tomoko's always at her gayest around Yuu, and Asuka's definitely picked up on that, and is feeling curious/jealous of Yuu. And now they're finally going to meet at the study camp, which should be real interesting.

last edited at Sep 9, 2019 5:06PM

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

Onibi's character design is seriously so good, like god damn girl

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

Onoda's new friend is really changing her for the better. She had been gradually loosening up on her own, but she's really breaking out of her shell now.

Yeah, I really like her development. She's happier when they're together sure, but she's just nicer and more optimistic all the time now, without it feeling like that newfound happiness purely depends on Honoka's positive feedback.

And of course it's nice too because Onoda's always been lowkey one of the gayest of any of the girls, she just never had anyone to be gay with before.

SadDoctor
joined Oct 5, 2016

Chie x Ai are technically in the closet because they're nervous about their classmates response...

But they're not in the closet very well, basically anyone who pays attention knows the two of them are dating.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Unfortunately we don't know yet if it's going to be like a proper series, or just a one-shot or something like that. Hopefully we'll get a full season series

joined Oct 5, 2016

Koshiba is like, "So, you're gay, right?"
No, no, I'm definitely not gay!
OK, do you want to go out with me though?
blush, fidget ... Yeah, OK
... To the grocery store?

last edited at Aug 27, 2019 12:19PM

joined Oct 5, 2016

MC might be in denial, but Koshiba definitely seems like she's not buying it. There's a lot of elements I like here, but yeah, it does feel kind of weirdly paced. Too many scenes that just stop without internal logic. The art is nice though, hopefully the writing will improve as it goes on.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Man Shimamura's like the world champion of realizing what Adachi means, what the very gay connotations of that are, and then veering hard into HAHA NO JUST KIDDING WE'RE JUST FRIENDS THO!!! Like, goddamn. And yet she still soooorta acknowledges it?

Also poor Adachi seems like she's thinking this is finally like becoming official, all while Shimamura is busy not thinking about exactly that.

I hope this'll be the book where Shimamura finally starts getting a clue, because right now our poor girl Adachi is just doin' all the damn work here.

joined Oct 5, 2016

I have to say, the way Shimamura's mind wanders during her conversations with Adachi kinda bug me a little, from a writing standpoint.

Like obv Shimamura's half clueless and half hella in denial, but usually you still get a pretty good sense that yes, she's interested in Adachi, she's just afraid of where her thoughts will take her if she thinks about it too much, so she avoids the topic.

But then like with this chapter she just seems, like, genuinely uninterested? Or at least genuinely super clueless. Which just kinda makes her seem uncaring, when we know how obsessed Adachi is over her.

Don't get me wrong, super looking forward to seeing that development, but I hope the author realizes they need to step up the Shimamura side of things.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Haha, that was pretty adorable, better than I was expecting. It soo nailed that awkward teenage vibe of like super wanting to date someone, while also having no idea wtf you're doing, and being terrified of doing it wrong. Also dealing with that very Japanese fear of standing out.

And yeah, Adachi definitely seemed like she was missing some signals, looking forward to Shimamura's pov.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Koshiba: don't laugh at me I want to make a cute stuffed animal

MC: (weird internal monologue) kiss
Koshiba: wtf

This is legit their first real conversation right, like if Koshiba does something that isn't pushing her away and thinking she's a creepy weirdo then I don't have high hopes for the rest hahaha

Well they apparently knew each other in middle school, but drifted apart (or were never that close in the first place?)

MC definitely seemed to already be nursing a crush on her for a while. And that supposed boyfriend was definitely fictional.

joined Oct 5, 2016

This is going to hurt, isn't it?

Author stated that it's gonna be bittersweet and also explicitly said that it's an adolescence, not yuri. Besides I can't vouch much for the author since the only thing he's made was a het harem manga.

Ugh. That's literally the opposite of yuri. That's anti-yuri. That shit shouldn't even be allowed on this site.

It really kind of depends. Some folks say "it's not yuri" and mean "it's not gay."

But then other mangaka will say "it's not yuri" and mean like, it's not just cute fluffy stuff, that it actually IS about being gay.

Same as talking about adolescence, sometimes they mean "it's just a phase lol" and sometimes it's "gay coming of age story."

Not even the Japanese agree on WTF "yuri" actually means.

joined Oct 5, 2016

The fact that you're worried about people finding out about your plan to give a Christmas present to your friend, and then getting "the wrong idea", definitely makes me get "the wrong idea".

Isn't gifting someone outside of like family or very close friends on Christmas (aside from kids) typically kinda viewed as a more romance-y thing there? I don't mean exclusively romance-y, just, "stereotypical romance-y vibe" sorta thing? I know it's overplayed AF in most anime/manga, and obviously in this one we have Adachi who is clearly having a difficult time convincing herself that it's NOT weird for friends and it's NOT romantic, etc. But I'm not Japanese so I don't know the real truth of it.

All I know for sure is that it's pretty traditional to have fried chicken for dinner.

Which makes me wanna say that Adachi should just Leeroy Jenkins the whole thing, cuz worst case scenario, at least she'd have chicken. /horribly unfunny doubly nerdy joke

Yeah, between adults Christmas is seen as more of a couples holiday than anything else. Like Japan went in for the romantic Christmas songs and left out all the Jesus and family stuff. It's not like you -can't- go out with friends that day, but like, all the advertising is gonna be about romance and couples.

It is very Shimamura to be all, "Well, obviously we're just going as friends, nobody could possibly think otherwise, everyone knows friends can totally hang out on christmas, not a big deal... Also I better not tell anyone else."

joined Oct 5, 2016

I think Adachi is definitely only a little taller than average, cuz she never really thinks about height herself. It's Shimamura who's short, she's the one who's always dwelling on people's heights.

joined Oct 5, 2016

Yeah, this chapter felt a little unnecessary. Kinda funny, but doesn't really tell us anything we couldn't already infer.

I am enjoying the sidecouples though.

Thanks again to our speedy translators!

last edited at Jul 22, 2019 9:37PM