Edit: ok. She confirmed. Yes it's an idiom.

does it mean the same meaning that the anonymous said it is ?

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Not really, I think it suits the context now after knowing its an idiom but well, we'll just have to wait and see.

I friend of mine just asked one of her korean coworkers to translate that sentence
 못 이긴 척 해주세요. The translation is "Please pretend you didn't win", and she didn't mention anything about it being an idiom.

oh heeey, True Evil XDDD.. THANK YOU !!
an Anonymous can write whatever !.. so thank you very much for the insight!!

yoonie
thank you very much for your comment about the tone used during the cafe scene.. I also felt at the beginning that it was a bit impolite, so your comment did help. The other Anonymous gave me the feeling of a desperate trial to give the sentence a more comfortable meaning.
so, it wasn't an idiom !

roamsl

Btw, if you read the official trans of chp 82, the flow of conversation during the fight scene, how the words were used, it's a bit different and maybe some would agree that seju didn't over react.

That's I agree with you, the tone was slightly different in the official translation. However, Seju's anger intensity exceeded her normal self.

yoonie

For the cake sentence, if you know Korean, it's not so out of context xD, it feels natural to me xD. Just a way of playing around with words like Koreans used to like, omitting the subject first sentence then next sentence mentioning the subject alone.

I think I confused you, I meant the "pretending" sentence's proposed meaning is so out of context. about the cake sentence: "since we can't leave it like that for too long" did Sungji mean anything other than the cake? the structure of it holds two perspectives, only one of them is specified by "cake".. try rereading the conversation after omitting "I mean the cake", does it sound anything different ?

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yoonie0104

both of you are awesome readers of wdtfs. So invested and have deep understanding for the story.

I don't know if I ever can be compared to her. Reread her comments once more, you will find it full of analysis and hinted insights.. it could look like she is merely referencing movies and books when she is actually analysing WDTFS. I can't remember talking to someone this insightful.

For me, it will not be a SuminxSeju ending

it will be SuminxSeju beginning.

My mind was restless trying to build a scenario. But on the good side of chap. 66, I've got a chance to have a narrative symmetry. I've waited for this and it took 65 chapters to match them as part of the narrative arc that I am closely following.

this narrative symmetry is interesting as it is in (ch2+ch52), (ch3+ch81) linked by ch66.

yoonie0104

No, its not about the cake. That sentence was said after Sumin appeared. It can be translated like this "I know you dont want to, but please go back home". That's it.

I don't agree at all with this translation, it's too out of context. However, we will know what it exactly means in 6 days.
about the cake sentence, why was there a need to specify it in a separate bubble? Sungji was talking about Seju being in pain for too long.. is that what she meant ?

hlama

yes, but this excuse of Sumin being depressed sounds as if she doesn't have control on her actions!! her way of dealing with issues, sorry I mean running from issues is annoying to the point of disgusting!!.. of course she will be depressed if she enjoys lying to herself constantly and blaming others for her problems as she admits herself. Depression, oh right!.. no amount of xanax can fix this

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okay, it seems that the topic of depression as an excuse really pushes my buttons, so I will refrain from further possible insults and aggression.

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Depression is a touchy subject and should be approached with caution.

is the excuse for every ass hole being a genuine ass, when in reality, their flawed personalities and actions is what caused them to be depressed in the first place!

True Evil

the Assassin and Bang Uri were last seen in a hotel room, Nammi is on her way XD

-> people wanted a threesome, how about this XD

^
to tell you the truth, I missed that thing totally.. I don't even know if it signifies anything.

yoonie0104

I realized I was drawing a bad ending for Seju myself, lollllll. She'll keep feeling pain for the rest of her life if she stays friends with both of them, unless she no longer loves Sumin as lover which is impossible.

btw, I've been reading this chapter again.. I think Sungji didn't mean the cake.

True Evil

That's why I want to slap her b*tch face as hard as possible.

welcome aboard XD

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You are absolutely right. I just wanna add that If the cause is external it's easier to deal with it than when it comes from inside.
In some cases it can take way more time (months or years) to get better. People often lack patience (we want to get cured in a day or two) so when after a certain time we see no improvements the depressive disorder can easily worsen

The way Sumin dealt with depression is a result of her other personality flaws, for example: she prefers running away from problems rather than solving them.. she also prefers lying on herself than confronting, blaming Seju for everything wrong in her life rather than taking responsibility.
so I could never blame depression alone or empathise with her based on this excuse. Her actions and choices made her sink deeper in depression not the other way around.

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True Evil

hey say "changes in brain chemistry, genetics, changes in hormone levels, certain medical conditions" can cause depressive disorder.

even in that case, the person should have the willingness to get better and ask for help when needed.. not shove their weak souls on others !

The ability to feel empathy is innate but how you show empathy is based on your social environment. If your society looks down on depression for example you are less likely to show empathy for those with a Depressive Disorder.

I admit this, I have a very negative attitude towards depression.. it's not an excuse to be irresponsible and unaware of others feelings.. it's not an excuse for being selfish and pretty much an ass hole.
a hard situation comes, okay.. be depressed, cry for two weeks and eat your favourite surgery/buttery full of happiness food.. but after that, get your shit together and your attitude straight. It's the person's responsibility to behave rather than trying to blame depression for their reckless acts. If a person won't help themselves, they don't deserve to be helped!. Falling in depression isn't a choice, but staying in it, is a choice !

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True Evil

I was not sure how to react to this line, it could go both ways, creative or delusional XD.

Take it as a compliment, darling %)

then I'm flattered.. I will make a story about the assassin and boobylicious falling in love! (What does the pervert say?)

(I know for a certain reason the word "darling" makes you cringe but I couldn't resist the temptation)

couldn't you be more real to your nickname XD?!
..
wow, this comment is number 911.. and it is directed to you!! high level conspiracy XD
is it an emergency or a disaster

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Foxy lady

If in any case, writers always impart a part of themselves into their characters. [...] So, what is just fiction to some, it could be somebody's reality.

(I won't and can't come up with a smart reply to this)

I could only say that characters of fictions are the medium their creators communicate their wisdom and philosophical sense to us.. using an idea "like Dawoon's character" to communicate other ideas " her words" which are actually the fruit of Gyeomji's wisdom. In that sense, I can also say that I consider WDTFS as a mean of communication between Gyeomji and I.. as no matter how she conveys and communicates to me her ideas, I could only perceive them in a way that is consistent with my line of thinking and my own wisdom. So, on one end I have Gyeomji's idea and on the other I have my perception of what I think is her idea. In between those ends, lay the lost messages.. I could never tell if my final perception is Gyeomji's idea or mine.. is it her wisdom purely or ours. That's why, whenever I read your comments on their work, I can find you in them.. these are not pure Gyeomji's ideas, but rather a fusion of both of yours.

Es0teric

Sumin requires empathy too but a more experience based one (Empathy is a mix of nature and nurture/experience) If i had your time and patience i'd go in depth into this but 80 chapters is a lot to re-read and write notes for.

in that one, I agree with yoonie, I must have the willingness to empathise with Sumin character. I could not find this willingness in me.

True Evil

You have good writing skills so maybe you should give it try...writing a book (wdtfs 2.0).

I was not sure how to react to this line, it could go both ways, creative or delusional XD.

yoonie0104

You know, Nora, about the ptsd, I'm more convinced of the ending where SuminxSungji is a couple while Seju remains friend of both of them.

well, let me quote Seju in this one: "how can you say it's a joke, you know i'm not the type of person to play fair"

these are her words.. and I will not abandon my bet XD.

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I tried to decrypt her comment XD.. couldn't do better :(

That's all right. That's ok. If one day you decide to write wdtfs guide (like a hardcover book) I'll definitely buy it.

more reasons to quit my current job :P

did I reach Pluto yet with my mind ? XD

I dare say you have reached another dimension

I tried to decrypt her comment XD.. couldn't do better :(

Foxy lady .. well, well, you like cryptology, don't you? I tried to get what you mean, so:

1. People are wearing jackets.
2. Seju was perspiring when she fell down when they bumped.
3. twice was shown under the table (seju wearing shorts and indoor slippers while Sungji was wearing long pants and sneakers)
4. Sungji was wearing 3 layers of upper clothings, long pants, sneakers

Seju dashed outside in anger, recklessly.. she said she wasn't planing to go home this fast.. I only saw her almost going down hill with self-destruction behaviour and mantra.
if it's something about Seju's body being heated, she was wearing a high neck woollen pullover and a jacket last chapter in the car.

inspiration of Sungji's style :P, click

Why do Team Gaji represent these things? It will be overthinking again if it is not connected with other chapters.

1. Seju sleeps naked most of the time or if not a skimpy night silk clothing.

so does Sumin.

1. Saehyun sleeps half-naked while Dellho(Sungji's brother) sleeps fully clothed.

he lives alone unlike Sungji's brother.

1. Seju doesn't eat too much or has appetite loss
2. She is a CEO.
3. A Baek only daughter

Anxiety disorder that is worsened with her PTSD ?

Other points:
1. she easily falls down when they bumped in this chap.
2. she was represented to be sick in chap. 53.

Anemia ?

Interesting point:
Indeed, Sumin tries to ignore Seju's birthday.. Why?... When Sumin found the ring in chap. 11, she brought Seju's favorite, rose. The clothing of Sumin before and Sungji now is the same, a long sleeved.. Ooopsie, does it tell about the climate? Hmmm... I wonder...

Aha.. here is the fun part, now.. are you hinting that Sumin gave Seju the couple ring during Seju's birthday? or that Seju's birthday is related to their break up?

if it's the break up.. then this couldn't be the case.. Sumin's parents death happened between April and July, I know this because they partied Sungji's birthday in April ch9, then Sumin visited the memorial in ch12, but Sumin's birthday was in July, ch25.
Sumin and Seju broke up a month after her parent's death.. so it could never be near Seju's birthday, November. With this timeline, the latest day of their break up could fall in August max.

if you mean it was the day they met 17 years ago, or had their promise rings, and Sumin is avoiding the memory.. then that's I agree with.

did I reach Pluto yet with my mind ? XD

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Foxy lady
in your previous comment, what are you trying to say?
(if you leave me alone like that, my mind would jump to Pluto before we know it)

Es0teric

the background motive of the PTSD symptoms list is that I was discussing it with yoonie last night.. so I thought it worth mentioning that it didn't disappear.. but we are shown other symptoms a bit by a bit.

BTW You can definitely tell that Seju is your favourite character from the way you read into her and describe her.

it requires empathy to understand her.. but I'm not denying my favouritism. I hope I did a good job reading into Sungji's behaviours too and so with Sumin (well, I know that I am not the best in understanding Sumin XD)

Edit:

Same with Foxylady

I thought Foxy lady said that Dawoon is her favourite when she was asked (very interesting to tell the truth), and she explained thoroughly all three characters in decent details, even helped me big time in identifying Sungji's eccentrism. She is probably the most fare when it comes to character analyses. click here for details also here

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I've been thinking about this, you might find these two points interesting.

A- Seju's PTSD

PTSD has many symptoms, including nightmares, eating disorder, being easily startled, mood swings and self-destructive behaviour.

we saw a very clear one in ch79, which was Seju's reliving the assault in her dreams and her eating disorder.

But the symptoms were showing even earlier and after that:

1. ch77, look at the moment that Sumin knocks the door, Seju was easily startled.
2. ch78 and ch79, sometimes, you could see her distracted as during breakfast.. or let's call it spacing out even at the office.
3. ch80 along side ch82, it is very easy to notice the change in Seju's behaviour and her mood swings (easily happy, easily mad), look at her reaction in the car, supermarket, then after Sumin cooked for her/showed care then finally her anger from the previous chapter.
4. ch83, notice the self-destructive ideas she had and reckless behaviour, had Sungji not found her in this chapter, Seju would've gone down hill!

Bottom Line
Seju is still suffering from PTSD, but we are seeing different symptoms throughout the chapters.

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B- Body Language ch83 at the Cafe

look at Seju and Sungji at the Cafe, at the beginning, Seju blocks herself from the conversation, shows emotional withdrawals of it, crossing her legs and arms, avoiding eye contact.. later as the conversation progresses and Sungji shows care, you see how Seju slowly softens her posture.. eye contact comes slowly, no more crossed arms now.. while Sungji sets in a posture that shows openness through out the whole meeting.

Bottom Line
Sungji shows openness and understanding, Seju is more comfortable and open with Sungji than she used to.

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yoonie0104

And Nora, I've check the raw ver of chap 55, no, Sungji didnt use the same verb, the word Sungji used in chap 55 has more of the meaning "reconization", aka to make her open her heart kinda thing, the translation used a beautful ver of translating. Chap 55 its "인지", this chap is '이긴', this chap the word is literally meant winning. So you should really wait for next chap to see what is really going on.

this is very insightful, thanks.
because of the original translation of ch55, I've always got the vibe that Sungji was in fact taking it as a challenge, specially her last sentence: things aren't going to end the way you wanted it to, now it's different, hence, the verb win in that chapter felt natural to the situation. But, yes, it wasn't a literal translation.. I must hold back on this one.

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cm, I apologise, it seems that I could be wrong about this particular connection.

no, I'll pass.. I just had this nasty image of Sungji calling Seju "Darling" .. I can't .. I can't

Hahaha
How about queen? Mistress? or your majesty

NOOOOO!!
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