Poor MC. It's not the adult life incest story I wanted, but this still looks super cool.

Going back to April, we've introduced a few new, fairly specific tags to continue rounding out the database. Anyone interested in helping with suggesting works that need these tags are welcome to participate:

Long strip
Couple life
Mature
Finger Licking
Ramen
Angel
Suicide

Please see the bottom of the FAQ for instructions on suggesting (existing) tags. Please read the respective tag descriptions before suggesting, it will save us both a little sorrow! Thank you!

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Anyone interested in continuing the tag discussion would be best served to head over to the Help thread and continue there. Much easier for me to keep track of.

What tag are you looking for? Just one to represent old age?

We could certainly use an old age tag, but that wouldn't necessarily cover what I'm describing. A death/dying tag might be helpful, but I could also think of plenty of situations where it would be a spoiler. A way to hide spoiler tags would be interesting, but then comes the discussion of what constitutes as a "spoiler". I certainly think this is worth considering, especially having been spoiled by tags before. That's a different discussion though.

If nothing else, this manga should probably have depressing as fuck, given what I've seen in the first chapter and the comments.

Yeah, the spoiler part is tough. I'd love to have spoiler tag functionality, but it's not in our pipeline, so we'll work with what we have. While I don't think a Dying tag has much applicability in non-spoiler situations, I'll think on what might work better. This kind of leads me toward my preference for a general Trigger Warning tag that just includes all spoiler elements (including positive tags, many of which aren't tagged for spoiler reasons).

Any tag changes to this story will have to wait, but we'll have something done with them soon, sorry for the trouble.

Contributing to the tag discussion, how about an author tag?...Maybe something like "Sudou Yumi, beware!"?

We're certainly up for those. I'll have to think about that tag in particular, and how it relates to her other work. Thanks.

This brings us up to date with the RAWs (the ones not behind a paywall anyway).
Missing chapter titles btw:
ch2: Right Now, I'm...
ch3: Dressing Room
ch4: The Past Me
ch5: Folding Chair
ch6: Cinema
ch7: Senpai's Weak Point
ch8: Romance Practice
ch9: The Second Senpai

Hey thanks a bunch! You're awesome, as always.

Folks, think we can move on from talking about others users in this way. It's getting kind of repetitive and seems to add very little to the discussion.

To my knowledge, the old thread on this same subject is as comprehensive as the API ever got. There's someone who was talking about it a long while ago on Discord. I'll see if I can't get in touch.

Friendly reminder that artist harassment is against the rules. Of course she didn’t do anything to deserve it. Like a month ago, some people were making fun of her English in quote threads, because they’re small and only feel good about themselves when putting others down, I guess.

If you like her work, go support her there! Or anywhere. That’s the best any of us can do.

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I'm already afraid of my own inevitable demise, I don't need this. In fact, I think we should have a tag for stuff like this on the site. As someone who is absolutely terrified of the finality of my own death, and by extension, growing old, I would rather not read stuff like this if I can avoid it.

What tag are you looking for? Just one to represent old age?

Sudou Yumi! Old gays! Instant tragedy!

Great title, too. Very excited, thanks a lot Gouma-Den, you folks are awesome.

Gah, Staph, there's too many of them to track down!

I just hope that maybe you can grab all other works from /u/ since they clearly stopped caring

Hmm...

Please review rule 4 below, and stop asking for updates. Thank you.

Do not ask, plead, or beg for more or quicker releases. It may be acceptable to seek an update on a series that appears to be sitting dormant, but always do so respectfully. Anyone found to be violating this rule may be subject to permanent removal from the site.

Hi, sorry about that, I'm not sure what's going on. When I type the same into the search bar, I get three results, two of which are named "Hungry Tiger".

Some manga may be removed if we're requested to do so by the scanlator, publisher, or artist involved. In this case, I haven't heard of any manga by that title which has been removed, but it is possible that I just wasn't involved in that decision.

Please do let me know if I can help further!

From the same author

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/the_taste_of_legs

Was thinking the same thing.

Rye posted:

I just freaking popped my glasses hinge out of the frame 2 weeks before something very important...fuck! Classic me! Now, new glasses or repair? I accidentally scratched the lens on my pool literally the weekend I got them so they're kinda super busted now :/

Oh, that sucks...I recently lost the screw on the frame on one side. Can't get anything to properly fit in there (even if it is the right screw. Maybe the old one was magical?). It's a real nightmare...

bubbleteabird posted:

Just wanted to drop by and say hi! Haven't been here or on this site in a long while. Hope everyone is doing well.

Hello! Doing great, hope you're doing well too.

Kojiro481 posted:

This really makes me see how lucky I am that my parents are always totally cool from the get-go with everything I do. Coming out in my late teens and having my first ''official'' girlfriend was already so nerve-racking , I can't imagine how hard it must be if your parents aren't on your side (^^) I hope Ruri realises how lucky she is as well.

Awesome, wholesome comment.

Uh, yeah. I think enough shaming has been done. Let's stop talking about pedophilia, too. Thanks.

robblu posted:

https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/3850071

here is their pixiv

Thanks, added. Better late than never, maybe.

Aforementioned sequel is over here.

I'm a little bit confused about the exact circumstances of the ordering, but we'll leave it as-is for the time being. The chapters in the anthology are ordered exactly as they were in the published anthology. Ideally, the series ought to be read on its own, and the oneshots Love Prep Room, Our Future Plans, and Starting Over should be read in the order they're displayed as on the anthology page. Love Prep Room also has a sequel. I'm not sure if the other oneshots are related or not, but I don't think they particularly are.

yamateh135 posted:

What happened to the translation?

You may continue reading the remaining 14 chapters on MangaDex. We have everything up to chapter 183. I'll get them here soon. I imagine they'll pick it up again now that MD has returned.

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Ranzo posted:

If anyone happens to have the official English versions through Tapas, please get in touch. No, I won't add it to the site or anything. It's just a personal favour, since the chapters readily available on the internet aren't the best handled. The difference between the two versions is readily apparent, given the Tapas title translation is "Wish You Were Gone," which appears at the top of every page. Thanks!

Have you been able to get access to them yet?

Sadly, no. The search remains dry for now.

Plebeian posted:

Also I apologize if this post has gotten too off topic. I am more than willing to continue this discussion in another thread.
Also also, I cut some quotes of your posts to reduce overall post size, dunno if that’s bad etiquette or not. Sorry if it is!

Yeah it's great, do whatever suits you. Let's continue in the Cafe over here. It got really long, sorry about that.

Linterdiction posted:

Assuming the artist did look at these "critiques," I'd point them to Linterdiction's posts on the previous pages

I'm blushing in the club right now.

You're earning it more with every post, keep it up!

spiltmilk posted:

y'all can't just appreciate this yuri, instead we're arguing about usbs, smartphones, and small nuances lolol

Seriously, lol

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I disagree that one can prove value in moralistic comments based on whether they might be encouraging for someone else.

I've had a lot of thoughts of how to work out definitions like "value" in measuring comments, but I think this is sort of a sideshow, it's also not super interesting to me for now since we agree on those broad basics. I'd like to take the discussion in a different direction, to get closer to what I think is the root of our disagreement. You're of course welcome to just ignore whatever doesn't interest you.

What is "moralistic" to you? How are you using that word? I use it by this dictionary definition: "Given to making moral judgments, especially in a self-righteous or judgmental manner." I don't see a single comment on page 14 that is particularly moralistic. Yes, users are expressing disgust towards a particular character. Is the emotion of disgust inherently a moral one? If so, in what way do these moral judgements go beyond the personal?

I don't see anyone here preaching or pushing any agendas. I can't see anyone acting particularly righteous or judgemental (of real people, anyway). They're merely stating their personal reactions. On this forum, those reactions happened to be the majority (of those voiced) for a few pages. What is wrong with these comments, relative to any other? If we look at the primary responses to them, I think we see comments of an entirely different nature.

Nene laughs at and mocks them. This is poor behaviour, but it doesn't seem particularly moralistic. Blastaar takes the mockery a step further and seems to mischaracterize his opponent's views. Nobody on page 14, to my knowledge, said anything about reality or applying the "moral lessons" of this manga. If we assume that disgust as an emotion may only be expressed in moralistic terms (again, I do not), then surely Blastaar's post is also creeping into moralistic territory, as it's making value judgements about other user's views. Finally we get to Maple LovesYuri, and finally we reach a comment that I would consider completely moralistic.

why are half the people here are so sensetive...real life morals is gone.

Sensitivity as a value is dismissed, and viewing media with any moral lens is dismissed. A particular viewpoint is being pushed not just towards the manga, but towards other users here, too.

I decided to go through each specific post because I wanted to include something I consider important in these discussions; specificity. If we're just having a meta discussion about general trends in media fandoms, we're having a stale conversation that's already been had a few thousand times over, here and elsewhere. So we finally get back to...

Besides, should I really just be a cheerleader for whatever position I favour, in order to make people who cleave to the same ideals as me feel more welcome, so that they too can add their voices to the chorus? Wont that just result in less discussion and more vitriol and radicalization of opinions?

I would say that cheering on your side, or probing the other, is a far better use of our time than either the meta commentary or the mockery. There actually are a handful of comments on page 14 that had responses or which could've been worth replying to if one was interested in discussing the manga in particular.

Who does the meta commentary and mockery serve? What is the purpose, where does it lead? Is it really getting us there faster than if we bothered to actually talk to people who have interesting insights to share, rather than disparage and talk about (but never with) people we disagree with? To me, this two-track circular head-patting contest is already leading to more vitriol, less discussion, and further radicalization of opinions.

But if I wanted my posts to not be picked apart by others, then I shouldn’t have posted at all. Like, if I just said: “My Younger Senpai has no moral issues”, for instance, I’d expect that post to be torn apart, and rightfully so.

Sure, and I hope anyone doing that would address you or your points directly in a manner that facilitates actual thought or discussion.

In fact the amount of voices decrying works of fiction for their moral content on this site is sometimes discouraging, and a driving reason behind why I’ve never posted here before (been lurking just a little while, since 2018~ish).

I've already agreed a few pages back that this is a problem and we have made a rule for it some months ago, too. I've given this a ton of thought in the past year since I began moderating, but my views are still in flux. Upon a look back across this thread, I don't see "moralistic" comments from puritans as being especially concerning. Please do fill me in if you disagree.

I wanted to do exactly this, add my voice to that of people who like this work, not just in spite of some of its’ content, but who wholly embrace it. Because I sure don’t see a lot to positively identify with. In fact the amount of voices decrying works of fiction for their moral content on this site is sometimes discouraging, and a driving reason behind why I’ve never posted here before (been lurking just a little while, since 2018~ish).

Welcome. I hope we can continue to clean up the forum such that more people like you feel included enough to contribute. Take care.

Splitting into two posts, don't mind me.

Plebeian posted:

I’ll repeat that moral qualms people have with this manga are so foundational that they could hardly be called a trap. There’s a bigger discussion you’re touching on here about how much influence fans should actually have over the content of any work of art. Critiques that encourage authors to commit framing changes to avoid pushing a given boundary aren’t inherently good things..., really detest framing a boundary pushing decision that alienates readers as a ‘trap’.

I'll rescind my use of trap, perhaps it was a poor choice of word. When I say "framing change," I mean to say the artist could have pushed the same boundary in a way that didn't offend certain portions of their core audience. Now, if the point is to offend, then my critique is empty and so be it. I believe this particular artist wants to stimulate their audience, not offend them. If my view is correct, then a framing change would seem perfectly acceptable to me.

Personally, I’m in ‘the artists vision over all’ camp

While it's a fine view to have, it's not really one I share. Creating a 1:1 representation of an "artists vision" on paper is difficult enough in the best of circumstances, and these folks are generally subject to strict deadlines and rigorous work processes. They'll win some and they'll lose some. Their future selves will look back on some work, down to the minutiae, much more fondly than other works.

The vision also doesn't have to be static, internal and external critique can be valuable in molding that vision to be the very best it can be. Maybe the response to Linterdiction would be, "tough luck buddy, story isn't for you." Maybe it would be, "wow, those are some good points I hadn't thought of previously, I'll consider them when working next time." There's no way of knowing, but the latter being subject to external influence doesn't suddenly mean it's not the artist's vision anymore. If the artist were compelled to change their vision for editorial or commercial reasons, maybe we'd have a different discussion.

But in regards to the benefits of these reviews, I have some strong misgivings, but I can’t prove that someone doesn’t find they serve a purpose.

Majere already attested that they find those comments serving that purpose for themselves, so I've got one. Only one, though.

So, since only someone with access to the raws, which I doubt constitute the majority of ‘reviewers’, could answer definitively whether or not the positives grow/negatives wane (and even then they would be giving a review so much as a content warning. Maybe that’s just semantics) does that then leave the main benefit to these reviews in discouraging or encouraging people to continue reading a given work? How virtuous is that on a free website, for material that have generally low reader time investment to boot?

Well I don't know if it is semantics, but we'll see it aside. I'd extend the reviews idea out further. If I read for 7 chapters and am feeling weighed down by what I'm seeing but not entirely willing to drop it, seeing others doing exactly that is likely to push me to make the final decision myself. Alternatively, maybe users can give me new light with which to continue reading. I'd argue Linterdiction makes an interesting point in the third paragraph here that could change the way someone views the piece and convince them to continue. Readers aren't static either, and I find many posts inherently good for that reason.

Also lowering the bar for what we’re calling a ‘review’ to “this work does or doesnt match my morals” isn’t something I wanted to do, but then again the integrity of that word probably died with Steam “””reviews”””.

Yeah, I used it a bit tongue-in-cheek. I'm well aware of the limitations of some comments.

This is a misinterpretation of my expectation that a position held so confidently should be rightfully expected to have some strong backing. I felt Lizstar’s comment of “lol, that’s a weird thing to insinuate” was supremely smug and condescending, so I expected it must've been backed by strong arguments.

Sure, sorry for the misinterpretation.

The mere expression of one’s opinion may be all they’re after but the second they’ve expressed it it’s open to be analyzed and discussed as much as anything else posted here is, isn’t it?
To be clear: I don’t think every post should be obligated to be anything more than a blog post. But they obviously shouldn’t be exempt from responses, either, regardless of whether they aim to be part of a larger argument or not.

Sure, no issues here. To be honest, we seem to agree on all the broad issues. We agree that no artist owes it to the audience to bend to their wishes, or self-censor. We agree that any given commenter bears no responsibility further than blogging their thoughts. We agree that measuring the value of comments is tricky and in some cases impossible.

Regardless, In this specific instance do you interpret Lizstar’s post as just a blogpost? I saw his post as part of an active back-and-forth and decided to throw in.

No, it's not a blog post. Though, it starts to get sticky here, and this is the crux of my issue with...everything. I view the comments made by Lizstar and the OP as pertaining primarily to blog posts. Neither Lizstar nor MapleLovesYuri are really talking about My Younger Senpai. They're talking about the people talking about My Younger Senpai. We're in complete meta territory now. To me, these comments are perhaps more negative in nature than the comments they're referring to. We'll come back to this.

Chapter 83 has been updated. Please clear your cache if the page isn't correct (correct page says, "Oh come on, just hug her already?"), thanks.