This is my favorite fan strip of them all. It's so in-character and almost could have happened in the manga. Momo's self-destruction face is the best thing ever.

sigh
Why is Momo such a coward? I wish she had actually given Shamiko that rose and said the words. Riko was right.

@PendragonVMAX
Shamiko has no mind control power. Her dream diving can only influence people's minds, it cannot control them. It also is not mind-control, but brainwashing. The difference is pretty obvious. The way you phrased it it sounds like she can just walk up to someone and control their mind.

They are both switches indeed. Momo is a reluctant top and Shamiko is an earnest top when given the chance.
But by default I'd say Momo tops just because she hates not being in control. Once Shamiko is strong enough she can top.

Shamiko likes it best when Momo acts like a dashing knight. She even imagined Momo saving her like this from the truck in her memory, even though that's not what happened. Gayest of goats.

Each NepNowa upload is blessed by the Shares.

I miss the times when mods didn't play god.

Riruko

It's Ruriko (or Koruri, depending which of the other characters you ask).

Just check, it's Koruri. I don't know why i can't remember it correctly.

The nickname they gave her is Ruriko. They just put the "ko" at the end instead, because that makes it sound more feminine.

^Do we know there IS a new arc? Maybe it ends with college graduation?

Probably, Probably not. It depend if Yukiko want to end on college or not.

They just set up a double honeymoon post college, so it's hard to believe she will stop here. At worst she will have that trip as the final arc, but I doubt it.

Double honeymoon? Madness. I guess it's not unheard of, but you sure are lax Saku.

Omichi does bring in the outsider's perspective that just shows how completely insane their dynamic actually is.
Also thanks to her, Koguma managed to touch Hino's breasts, so this is a complete win.

In very simple terms - what "general opinion"? Because A) there isn't one and B) what little consensus there now exists, Miyuki's actions do not match.

You could certainly accuse her of things like exploiting her informal "position of trust" as Asuka's mentor and old-established reliable big sister figure (eg. see the phone convo with the entirely unsuspecting Ayako) and the whole bit about trying to get into the younger girl's panties is all kinds of deeply morally questionable, but that's a whole another matter.

So you are just gonna pretend that generally people would not consider intentional manipulation, leading someone on as emotional abuse? Many definitions do support that. By all means, your argument is just a pedantic attempt to be right through the vehicle of "But not everyone agrees though!"

To take advantage of a young girl that is not yet able to be sexually independant (no matter how "willing" you think she is) is actually considered sexual abuse already. Those two typcially are linked. I am sure you also read up on sexual abuse, but as you said "Those ruminations aren't relevant". lol

@Nevri
My reply will be in the Cafe https://dynasty-scans.com/forum/topics/10103-dynasty-cafe-a-home-for-off-topic-discussion-where-everyone-s-welcome?page=344#forum_post_513533

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You have no arguments. What's depicted in the story has everything to do with it, and your unwillingness to admit you got caught propping up heteronormative bullshit under the shield of "gender roles don't exist anymore guys" is why you find yourself isolated in this discussion. You exposed yourself, and instead of owning up to that you attempted nothing less than an out-of-hand dismissal of the very idea that it might somehow inform how two humans are conducting a romantic relationship.

There's still time to reverse course from this insanely absurd path you've embarrassed yourself by taking.

Yeah, I expected you to say something nonsensical like this. Isolated by whom? Three people who made the same argument in the first place? Go back a few pages and look at all the people who do not agree with this interpretation of the story lol

There is still time to admit that this entire thing is completely irrelevant to the story. But you never will.

Don't know how i feel about the fact that what it mean to be a somewhat innocent sentence of Kase blowup to such proportions. It was just to show Kase's insecurities about their relation not to people suddendly debate if Kase is a tyrant who want Yamada to do what she told her. All Kase said was suggestions not orders, she don't threat Yamada in any kind. You should seriously stop seeing problems where is none yet.I mean yes, if Kase continue to be like this it could be a problem but there isn't right now.

I believe the main reason why some people here jump on this so hard is that those issues actually did come up in previous chapters. It's not like there is no precedence. If Kase had never said anything of the like before this chapter, I think even these hardheads would have just waved it aside as a harmless embarrassed reaction.

Those issues will be tackled later when they are actually relevant.

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So you're either clueless or being wilfully obtuse because the idea that traditional gender roles are no longer an issue in modern relationships is just wildly absurd. Like this is just a pointless discussion because you're either so incredibly uninformed I have to explain rudimentary gender politics to you or you're being incredibly disingenuous.

No, you are simply pretending that because these issues still come up, that somehow means the modern heterosexual relationship model is still reflective of those issues.

The modern man and woman both have jobs, share expenses, make decisions together and will take responsibility on both accounts.

The fact that often this new model will be strayed from is not an indicatior that it is not in fact the modern model. Back when religious nuts controlled the world and shitty gender roles were the norm there were also always people straying from that model. The difference is that back then those actions could lead to heavy consequences, while these days they do not. The more liberal a society gets, the more differnet lifestyles will become viable. Many people will still follow old gender roles, no doubt, but they don't reflect the general model anymore.

At best you could claim we are still in a transitional period where gender roles finally get obliterated, but no, the things you have claimed to be heteronormative are far from "normative" anymore (assuming we are talking about secular 1st world countries here).

Gender roles have nothing to do with "modern" heterosexuality people. Congrats, we fixed it. In every age, in every place, it has been a pervasive and fundamental problem throughout human society, but BugDevil says its gone now so we can all pat ourselves on the back, job well done having scrubbed it clean from the Earth.

You are almost funny. Outright made me chuckle.

Also love how everyone here ignores my actual arguments related to the story, because the only thing they are interested in is throwing around buzzwords and argue ideology, rather than seeing how completely ridiculous all of this gender role talk is when these are just general character traits and flaws that have nothing to do with such specific concepts.

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The first movie came out in 2016 in BD and then 3 movies called case 1,2,3 early this year and just recently released in bluray. I need to watch them too before jumping to s3, maybe it would explain why Akane doesn't appear in the trailer of the third season
https://www.anemo.co.jp/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/psycho-pass_3poster.jpg)
released in January, February and March

I seriously missed that old movie somehow.
For those 3 new ones it makes more sense. Of course they would only be translated now if they came out this year. Guess I'll be watching Case 1 soon then.

One of the primary aspects of heteronormativity is the adherence to gender roles and the traditional gender roles within a heterosexual relationship are the man as dominant provider/protector and the woman as a submissive dependant. There are massive religions devoted to propping up this model. Kase's behaviour and how Yamada is portrayed is reflective of this model imposed onto a WLW relationship. Learn about concepts before you lazily dismiss someone elses completely accurate representation of them.

"If you don't dress more conservatively you'll be harassed by men" is like the go to justification men use to shame women into wearing what they want them to. It ain't a good look regardless of motive and certainly if that motive is just your own comfort.

I suppose if you really want to go the whole 10 yards you can see it that way.
Antiquated gender roles have nothing to do with modern heterosexuality and pretending that such relationships these days have anything to do with control and the like is simply idiotic, which is why the term heteronormativity is terribly insufficient in the first place. The usual intention of using heteronormativity is to address that society views hetero relationships and all that it involves as the standard. The way you use it here is just another ideological buzzword. Just say gender roles if you wanna harp on gender roles.

Sure, if this was a serious demand Kase made or if it was actually enforced in any way, it would be a pretty bad look. But as we know, Yamada does what she wants and Kase will be annoyed and try to be protective, but not actually stop her. This was an embarrassed response to feeling aroused, not a rule she set up and Yamada didn't just cave in either.

It's not just that Cryssoberyl's comment was entirely correct to begin with. It doesn't take a genius to understand the clear link between 'control' and 'heteronormativity', since the most heteronormative relationship, according to creepy dudes, is one where a man controls a woman. Where the woman is innocent and pure and clueless and pretty much a child, while the dude is the adult that holds all the cards, and has to "protect" said woman from herself.

Uhuh. If you say so lmao
You live in the past and that's why you make such terribly backwards assumptions. If that is just how creepy dudes see a heteronormative relationship, doesn't that mean you are a creepy dude, because you also think that's how that term is supposed to be interpreted?

In the first place those are not just hetero traits, they are traits that appear in any relationship across the board, hetero, gay or lesbian. Whether it's good or bad, many of these things are just natural human behaviour to a certain extent.This goes back to the whole power dynamics talk. One partner will often be more dominant than the other and that is not at all related to hetero thinking.
As you no doubt will somehow manage to get the wrong idea, as your type usually does, let me say ahead of time: No I do not support any of those things. I don't like heteronormativity or think that Kase is doing the right thing. Those are two different matters however.

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BugDevil posted:

There is a Psycho-Pass movie. Not sure if I should touch that. I felt like season 2 went a bit off the rails and a movie would probably be even more ludicrous.
Urobutcher really didn't intent for more than season 1.

There's a psycho pass movie after season 2 and then 3 other movies called SINNERS OF THE SYSTEM CASE 1,2,3 and then comes s3 soon

Eh? How come I didn't hear of 4 MOVIES until now?
Maybe they weren't subbed? The one I saw is Case 1.

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I think I'm finally starting to realize that Kase's whole "could you please not wear that" schpeal is more for her sake than any jealousy over the boys seeing her.

Someone gets it.

Someone gets that it's even worse than it appears? Making insincere appeals to scary boys as bogeymen to frighten Yamada into doing what she, Kase, wants for her own comfort would be blatant and cynical emotional blackmail in exactly the same way women are forced into rigidly "modest" clothing the world over for the "comfort" of their self-appointed watchdogs. Even I don't think Kase is terrible or selfish enough to be doing that, at least not intentionally.

I don't hate Kase or this manga, but she has a problem that continues to manifest, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.

Sorry, you are the weirdo who just equated a need to control to heteronormativity, I'm not sure I can take you seriously lol

It's not to frighten Yamada at all, it was a simple justification, an excuse. To jump to blackmail or whatever else is insanely dishonest, considering the worst consequence possible in this scenario is that some sleezy guys will leer at her because she is too pretty/sexy.

The most disinegnious thing would be to equate an embarrassed excuse to the issue that was actually set up chapters ago. This was supposed to be a fun and cute little chapter. The possessive stuff and communication issues were not the focus this time around.

The manga did quiite directly set up the conflict with Kase's overprotectiveness, Yamada's desire to be her own person and also showed the conflict that arose from that during their phone call back in the previous chapters.
That issue hasn't actually been resolved yet, but there is absolutely no reason to think it won't.

I think this chapter in particular was not at all a negative example of Kase's behaviour and extrapolating a negative connotation from previous conflicts is just wrong. Nobody is using rethoric that would be equal to defend an abuser. Kase literally didn't do anything bad in this chapter. People defend it, because it wasn't meant to be part of the conflict that was set up previously.

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Sooo is this just a joke tag? I'm severely confused.

It's serious business. You think lizards are gonna be ignored?

There is a Psycho-Pass movie. Not sure if I should touch that. I felt like season 2 went a bit off the rails and a movie would probably be even more ludicrous.
Urobutcher really didn't intent for more than season 1.

Medb has a really big mouth, huh?

I guess she Ran into some trouble and is now Yukareening back.
what is wrong with me?

Good ol' Eskimo kiss.