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By the way, when you guys have extra support points, what do you spend it on? I've pulled on the support gacha a few times because memoria chance.
I used to buy all AP potions from support shop, but I'm not bothering anymore. Outside of that just spend them on rolling gacha for memorias. Buying exp from support shop is pointless, since you can easily farm it with daily quests and universal exp accumulates quite easily from just drops, doing daily missions and buying it from event shops. It was ages since I had to farm exp last time. There were 2 times when you could buy tickets from support shop for limited time, but even 1 costed quite a bit and it only lasted for like a week. I tried to save support points in case it'll happen again, but since it never happened again, I stopped and just spend them.
Okay here's something you need to consider about this: Touka's memories are factually incomplete, she does not remember Ui, whom chapter 8 and 9 made abundantly clear does in fact exist, and nor anything that happened in her life because of Ui, which is why she also doesn't remember Iroha, if something sounds stupid and farfetched, it might be because it is, and her explanation is how her brain justified the gaps in her memory, it was something that made sense to her.
You have a point. I was sure at least some parts of the plot will be already explained by this time, so at this point, I'm desperate for any explanation I can get and I take any new information at face value, but it's true that they might pretty much be false memories to cover absence of Ui in Touka's life. I guess we really will only learn everything at the end of chapter 10, sigh...
Another point to consider is that the Incubators are unable to directly lie despite using a lot of misdirection otherwise, nor they are able to reject wishes, or they would've rejected Madoka's wish in the OG series as "erasing all witches before they are born" would obviously also make them unable to gather energy from those witches(which it did),
I was always wondering about it too. Is that another thing explained in PSP? Because I have serious issues when such important information is given in difference place. Or I guess I liked that OG series left some things up to interpretation, so now knowing those things were answered somewhere else suddenly make speculating about OG series much less interesting. Anyway, I just always assumed that because Kyuubey lacked emotions, he simply kept his promises. So when he offered to fulfill any wish you want in exchange for becoming a magical girl, once you agreed he had to make anything you wished for true, even if it wouldn't be beneficial to him. Same for never lying when asked about stuff. That one isn't exactly true though, because anime fucked up and actually made him lie to Kyouko when she asked if it's possible to turn Sayaka back. And before you tell me he was technically telling the truth or lied by omission, he didn't. We got even the same exact exchange in Another Story and there he did it in a way that he should have done it there. Anyway when Kyouko asked, he answered that "there's a possibility", but later when Homura asked if there really was a chance he answered with "No way. Of course something like that is impossible." So it wasn't that there might be a chance, but he personally don't know it. He was 100% convinced it's not possible, whatever that's true or not. So if he answered honestly, he'd tell Kyouko there's nothing she can do. And yet he told her something he considered to not be true. So he blatantly lied to her in order to manipulate her. In Another Story when Madoka learns the truth about witches, her first reaction is going to Kyuubey and kill him ask him why he didn't tell them and after being told "because you didn't ask", she asked him if it's possible to turn back from becoming a witch. And there Kyuubey answered her with "Maybe it's possible, but as far as I know, it's not possible to do it." If that's what he had told Homura, followed by, there was a chance she could do something we didn't think off, then I'd buy it, but he openly dismissed such a chance to even exist and admitted to lying to her solely so she'll die, leaving Homura alone to fight Walpurgisnacht and make Madoka contracting a necessity.
"extracting information out of them" is as simple as realizing that they can't hold back information and just being clever about what you are asking, and then putting together the most ridiculous wish you can imagine based on that information with no real trickery involved.
I mean, I know that. It was hammered hard by OG series already. That as long as you ask, Kyuubey will truthfully answer. Just not many magical girls actually bother to ask. That's why I said from all the people Touka would be perfect person to actually ask about all the details how it works, since she's so scientifically minded. I said it, because she specifically said that she hacked into their network and were stealing information from them and Kyuubeys didn't like it. Unless it's another false memory made up to cover absence of Ui, but why should it, since her interrogating Kyuubey shouldn't be related to Ui's absence.
Even the anime suggests that there is one body per region at best though,
My bad. I of course meant "per city" when writing that.
there might have been more bodies in Mitakihara as well, just that they weren't important and Homura only cared about bodies that were close to Madoka.
Well with "damaged or killed" I was specifically referring to scene near the end of OG series, where after pissed Homura riddled Kyuubey with holes, new Kyuubey showed up with very little delay to eat corpse and keep talking to her. It gave me impression that even if there's more bodies active, they don't really do anything and just wait nearby in case something happens to "main" body. Then again it could be simply example of Kyuubey knowing what's coming, so he had 1 body ready in advance.
Honestly, all this really makes me wonder how much this is just confirmation bias
I'm familiar with concept of confirmation bias, but I'm not really sure what bias exactly I'm confirming in this case.
this also comes up in MagiReco, as in AS chapter 5 we are shown some of Homura's internal monologue and she brings up how Madoka saved her from her own misery.
Oh, it was a while since I read it, so I didn't remember that.
Again, the PSP game, it makes it much clearer that Madoka always took out Walpurgis when they fought, but it was always costly to her, for reasons that vary from "just barely strong enough to take her out at cost of her own life" in the earlier timelines, to "so absurdly powerful that burned herself out in one shot" in the later ones.
While I want to say it kinda ruins the way I always imagined how entire thing progressed, I have to say it does make sense story wise as Mami specifically said, she recruited Madoka with intention to make her strong enough meguca before Walpurgisnacht comes that they'll be able to defeat it together, so it'd make sense that without Mami she was still able to at least sacrifice herself to kill it.
That reminds me. Some time ago I learned that apparently it takes Homura only 2 timelines to become Coolmura and outside of 2 times, all of the dozens of repeats she does take time already after she went solo?
personally I aim for 1000 each month to be able to get the Rainbow Orbs as well.
Same. And I don't even take mirrors that seriously and it doesn't take too much effort to collect 1000 over a month. In fact I often get more than that, making either farming for next month easier or I can spend it on other stuff if I happen to need it.
@Veya I hate PvP in this game as it's so massively unbalanced that it's barely any fun. Half the time you'll either curb stomp the opponent or they will do so to you. If they improved the matchmaking to something better it might be more enjoyable. But until then, I'm avoiding it as much as possible.
I agree mirrors is where you feel the difference between whale and F2P the most and pay to win is prevalent. Also active memorias are gimped so you either only bring the ones that give you the most stats or have short enough cooldown to become active on turn 3 or both. So I just don't take it seriously. For very long time my team consisted of S2 Ren, S2 Kyouko and S3-4 Yachiyo. The trick is to always go for easiest match for you and not minding if you lose, because you get 1 coin anyway and losing doesn't matter. The strategy of just using 1 lvl 1 (or like 6-7 if you farmed their episode) meguca (or lvl 40 Kuro, now that she's available) and simply playing 5 quick matches to complete daily missions and not touching mirrors again that day is used by many players for a reason. I saw many people making "joke" teams as well, like only putting Ren x Rika, or Tsukuyo x Tsukasa, or Mikazuki Villa team or Momoko team or Konoha x Hazuki & Ayame or OG team or all Madokas and Moemura. Hell, I even saw Mitama x Momoko and bonus points for the fact Mitama was standing directly behind Momoko and was lvl 1 xD Simply a lot people don't take them too seriously x3 Unlocking layers really isn't that important, because you'll unlock them sooner or later anyway from points you'll collect over time from just casually playing mirrors and outside of funny stories, only thing they offer is bonus gems, so unless you really need them asap, there's no real reason to rush unlocking new layers.
You need to have a wish, a wish that you would desperately fight for with all your heart
Except for all those megucas that did not have such a wish.
Also if they'd only make Healers, magia focused units, charge gorillas (like Momoko) and supports useful in PVP then It'd probably be somewhat more balanced and fun. Instead anything that's not a blast gorilla or otherwise has useful connects gets rarely used. I've never seen anyone use Mifuyu in PVP for instance, and Rena and Rika aren't popular either.
Once I stopped losing on purpose, I was able to beat two of the three rounds I did. The last round the enemy Nanaka got a string of crits and wiped my team...
I agree, that while they technically tried to lower dmg, they really should make megucas last longer in mirrors, maybe just lower everyone's dmg by half or increase their health by huge flat amount? Gimped active memorias don't help either.
Momoko(and charge gorillas) struggles being useful in general, Charge has poor scaling so you will always deal more damage bouncing Blast or Accel connects back and forth, than you would by trying to build up a Charge chain and giving out a big slap, and there is this terrible catch 22 about it that if they rebalanced Charge scaling to make it worth the time, it would instead cause the issue of being overpowering in any challenge stage that has familiar waves before the boss, since you would be able to build a +20 Charge chain and just slap the boss really hard, so there is not a clean cut way to fix it.
I really like the way charge works, because it's much more reliable and fun to use than Quick cards and crit stars in FGO. As for charge itself, I feel like they should make individual charges stronger, but lower the maximum amount of charges to like 10. I always liked the idea of using a charge combo and then next turn doing a puella combo with charge, charge blast disc for total of 7 charges. The issue with it is that during those 2 turns, blast chains will outdamage you like 3 times. And blast combos will always deal more dmg to enemies that take few spaces on the field. I feel like blast discs and AoE magias should be counters for enemies with few fields, while charge discs and single target magias should counter single field bosses. Also there's way too little support for charge discs with memorias and effects that directly boost charge discs damage or damage after charge up as well as those effects usually have way lower numbers than compare to blast or accel. It almost feels like they were afraid making charge too strong so in return they made it way too weak.
In a lot of cases people dismiss anyone without a 5* uncap, unless they have a particularly interesting niche to fill such as Kanoko(who is one of the four characters who can pull off lockdown memes, and the only one who isn't a nat 4*), plus guaranteed Curse isn't that good when you have characters like Holy Alina and later on Ui, who have it plus better stuff on top.
Nemu is decent but not unique or special in what she does... which probably counts as points against her, since people focus on either exceptional units in a certain area, or units who can pull something that no one else can.
I find people focusing only on ranked mirrors really annoying, because what's the point playing and focusing all your investment into event that happens like once a year and outside of it doesn't matter? And ignoring that, approach of "there exist better meguca who does the same thing/that meguca doesn't have uncap yet" assumes that you own all those megucas at S4 and so you can use the best of the best. Most people don't have that luxury and/or just want to use the meguca they like. While I do pay attention to gameplay, I'll never understand people who focus solely on it. I have no idea how anyone can play gacha games just for it. I see that sentiment also often bleeds into memorias so any memoria that you can't realistically use in mirrors is automatically bad. It really ignores that like 99% of the game is PvE. I only read 1 tier list for megucas and it only cared about mirrors and it scored Madoka like low B or something like that, while her heal and ability to charge MP as well as draw accel discs personal memoria make her godly in PvE...
Keep in mind debuffs are not the same as status effects like charm, poison, fog, etc. In this game "debuffs" strictly mean changes in status like attack/blast up/down, accel mp up/down etc. So if you want to remove status effects then Nanaka won't help however characters like Kako will.
Yea, I noticed that only recently. It's honestly quite annoying that they split it like that.
Speaking of Kako I don't get why they made it so her connect heals then removes the status effect, since some status alignments like curse prevent healing meaning the heal portion of the connect is wasted.
Yea, I'm not sure if it's something specific about how the game is coded or they just made it go off in the order it's stated in the connect description (which like isn't anything binding, you can just changed the order in description). It doesn't really matter with other effects, like Holy Mami removes status alignments last as well, but your meguca will attack after that so it's k, but with heal it really feels annoying. Like there'll be so many situations where you need to both heal and remove curse to save your meguca, but because of order heal is wasted and your meguca dies anyway. It's as if game is mocking you.
Oh they're not? I'm going to go for Yachiyo first then lol since I like her more and I'll take my chances with her crit connect.
Something to keep in mind about MR mechanics is that crit does not stack. So if you have memoria that gives you crit for example and then you use a skill or connect that gives crit on that meguca, the bigger number will overwrite the smaller one when attacking. Also something that might not be intuitive is that MR has a hard cap of 100% on dmg, meaning you can only stack effects of the same kind up to a 100%, so for example, mindlessly giving all possible blast buffs on 1 meguca isn't actually a good idea, because at some point the damage won't increase anymore, no matter how many more buffs you'll keep giving her. That's why it's generally the best to spread your buffs and give your megucas variety of different buffs. Also from what I understand buffs from passive memorias don't count, so it's not like by equipping 30% blast dmg memoria, during game you can only benefit from increasing blast dmg by 70% and rest is wasted. The same is true for those small % you get from putting awakening materials to passively increase accel, blast and charge discs dmg. Also on topic of things game doesn't tell you about (why most gacha games don't just give you damn numbers, I'll never understand) the defense, health and attack % you get from putting awakening mats is not taken into account when showing your megucas total health, attack and defense in party set-up, meaning the stats you see before starting game, are actually lower than they should be if you have any of those bonuses available.
Don't those 20 levels make a pretty big difference stat-wise? In Mirrors especially when there's barely enough time to pull off one connect. Even in PVE there's a really noticeable drop in attack damage against higher level enemies.
Well it depends. In general natural 4 stars have better stats even without awakening and at lvl 100 they'll definitely be stronger than natural 2-3 stars at lvl 80. That being said, with proper memorias you can easily get lvl 80 meguca with 4 slots to have comparable or even better stats than lvl 100 one with just 1 slot. And on top of that, they got 3 more effects from memorias that can more than make up for any better ability lvl 100 has. That's why having 4 slots is so important and many consider 2-3 stars better, because getting them to 4 slots is much easier than for 4 stars (assuming you're not a whale or don't plan to roll on their banner hard). So it's not like that any meguca that isn't lvl 100 is automatically garbage and while most natural 4 start usually have much better effects, it doesn't mean 2-3 stars can't still be useful. It all depends how much you're willing to invest in them. And hell I still use some uncapped lvl 80 megucas, because they're that good. Rika being accel gorilla and having personal memoria with monoplized draw make her great for charging her magia and especially in fights were you need to charge magias for your entire team fast, (or in bs ladder events, were sometimes you need to waste 1 run to charge everyone's magias first so then in next attempt you can just open with them) using her was invaluable.
Speaking of doujins, this one seems interesting and could possibly deserve a translation.
Oh nice. I think that group that translates everything Madoka related should get to it sooner or later.
Oh also, I was recently clearing my friend list (I'm doing it like every month or so) and noticed Kite with description "Elsewhere know as SuperText". I assume it's you? I added them for the time being. Because I rarely check my friends and even when I do if you have different nickname, I might not recognize you, so if you want to follow, give me heads up here, I'll follow you back.
Alright folks, Ranked Prelims are over and the results are in... and my efforts paid off!
I consistently went for only 1.8x team multipliers, and despite getting an L along the way, I still got my shiny rainbow badge... I am actually fairly happy and satisfied that my efforts paid off...
Oh wow. Good job! I took it easy and often went for 1.5x people and even 1 day got unlucky and 3 people that seemed like my team should handle easily handed my ass to me, so I got 3 loses. And I still got to A. No stars though.
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Yea, we were supposed to get it before GudaGuda rerun, so they just swapped it (not sure why). Yea, I'm glad too, cos more tickets to try getting NP2 Moedred and maybe NP2 Tama (I'm not really hoping for that though). I still can't decided w/e to try getting Kiyo Lancer or it's waste of tickets, because I like her as character, but as a servant she is meh and I'd need at least NP2 to make her worth using, but I'll have Ibancer in like 2 months so... Playing Waifu Simulator is hard ;v
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something something yuri doesn't sell, we only did it for publicity, we couldn't be arsed to do a proper adaptation something something
I remember that vampire, but the guy just can't give a fuck about anything when he was isekai'd, it was supposed to look funny but to me, it seemed pedantic so I couldn't go beyond ch1,
Yea, I was wondering too, cos it sounds like a funny premise, but how far they can take it when MC has no motivation to do anything.
and after your warning and considering it's going below 7 in score, I guess things don't improve too much.
Well it wasn't really supposed to be a warning or anything. Just I personally didn't like where it went, but it might as well pick up later. I wouldn't trust internet scores, because majority of fandom uses 7-10 scale system. The first 3 chapters or so are nice. He befriends a blind knight lady and heals her, because of course, so he pretty much turns into her maid of sort. Turns out that it's not that he's unwilling to put the effort, he just usually don't have the incentive to. They got pretty good chemistry and yuri vibes were strong. But then he outs himself as a powerful being in probably the stupidest way I saw so far, so king wants to take him into army, even if by force, at first he manages to avoid it but then some kind of cthulu monster attacks the city, he defeats it, but cat is out of the bag so he has to run or they'll force him to work for army. What annoyed me is that instead of going with lady knight, he goes alone, to not cause her trouble or something >.>, and it's implied she tries to go after him and search for him. Also later he meets a bestkin girl and I think he ends up joining their tribe so there is more potential yuri there? But yea, after he run away, I kinda lost interest and stopped reading it.
I'm following like 3 or 5 more like this, some aren't genderbend but still strike as yuri like the witch who killed 3000 or 30000 slimes... They're fun because it's fantasy, but I guess what matters most is the protagonist's personality
Oh yea definitely. If the cast is likable it doesn't even really matter how yuri it is, though shippable all female cast definitely helps. And yea 300 years Witch is very strong on yuri side, cos she pretty much has a wife and 2 children and is working hard on expanding her harem.
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This thread is debating the entirely wrong things. What we really need to ask is whether Otone was thirsty because she jogged, or did she jog because she was thirsty.
Hahaha xD It's so obviously the latter xP
You'd think after seeing that it's Otone who keeps advancing the relationship on her own initiative that people would seriously question whether "grooming" is applicable here.
Sadly they can easily dismiss everything you just said on the simple basic of "children can't consent therefore no matter how willing child is or how much they push it, unless it's 18 years old it's not mature enough to make informed decisions about dating, it's always statutory rape and always adult's fault by default", because we're talking about real life and not fiction, am I right? Simply according to those people, any argument you can give is invalid by default, because we're talking about children. You just can't win against them.
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It's their loss, my gain. :D Stuff like this never happens to me, and I'm on a fixed income (I live exclusively off of SSDI) so the fact that I've been basically handed anywhere from $400-600, depending on what I end up being able to sell it for, is just insane. Basically it will pay off most of the new furniture I've been trying to save up/get for the last 3 years. :)
Then it's awesome! x3
created for pedophiles such as those involving these realistic grooming scenarios and if you defend such works, you will often end up defending inherently problematic elements like grooming whether you mean to or not. Which is not a good look.
It's funny to hear someone unironically saying "making something too realistically is wrong", when half of discussions around works focus around how believable work is. Anyway, my question is "Why?". You do realize there's a difference between saying "There's nothing wrong with portraying action X in media" and "There's nothing wrong with action X"? Just because someone says that action X is allowed in media, doesn't mean they are fine with it happening in real life. We keep talking about how ability to distinguishing between real life from fiction is really important for a reason. There's room for nuanced discussion how portraying certain things in certain ways in all of the media, when people are not properly educated or familiar with those things, can lead to them subconsciously or not, absorbing those elements and spreading misunderstanding or misconceptions about them, but to simply say "X thing has no right to exist in media, because it's bad" is just too narrow-minded. In fact if anything, portraying something correctly and realistically in media can help in spreading bigger awareness of the issue. You can say, it teaches people how to groom. I say, it teaches people (and maybe even possibly children) how to recognize you're being groomed.
When we get angry about those kind of discussion, it's because we're talking about things that everyone knows are bad in real life and it was talked to death why those things are wrong. Every time a loli or rape story is uploaded we got first 5 pages of people commenting how wrong and unjustified it is and why it has no right to exist. We got it. The issue is because of people who do that, any actual in-depth discussion about work is pretty much death, because any discussion that could happen about actual work or how it presents those things in the narrative, not how it affects real life, is pretty much lost, because of all people commenting how this work should be deleted and author and people enjoying it send to prison and people who could actually discuss the work seriously either give up on thread or spend their entire energy defending work's right to exist. That's why people are so defensive about those kinds of works. It has nothing to do with them being secretly pedophiles and worrying their favorite outlet might be taken away. We're just tired from going through the same bs every time and have no more patience for it, so instead of calmly listening to other side and looking for nuance in discussion, we simply go hard from the get go with "media has no effect on people, if you can't tell reality from fiction you're insane".
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Oh sure x3 I'm just the kind of nice person, who would call them and ask about it, even if it'd put me at risk of having to send it back x3"
Not to rain on your parade, but was it intentional or they just made a mistake? You sure you don't need to send 1 back ^ ^"?
I finally watched Fragtime and I actually enjoyed it, idk why people were complaining about it so much
It's fine if you didn't read the manga. Manga is simply better. I still think it feels rushed and girls have no chemistry regardless. For me personally it's just the typical fear of "people will only watch anime and judge it based on it and will never touch source material, when it's much better and deserves recognition" thing. Also literally only 2 people on entire forum commented about anime, so I'm curious where you saw "people complaining about it so much".
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Hohoho, were they banned or they removed their acount?
Permabanned.
That'd be meta, OG Homura and Madoka playing the game and trying to roll for their respective person. Madoka would probably get Homura on her first roll. Homura would probably spend hundreds of rolls and still not get Madoka. Poor Homura. XD But on the upside she'd roll Madokami first time.
I remember when someone posted how much gems they saved for Homura, while Ashley frenzy was on-going after her announcement, someone commented asking if they're Madoka. They had like 12k gems and 200-300 tickets I believe.
Unrelated game question, how do you guys farm CC? Yachiyo is ready to be awakened to 5*, and some other characters are soon approaching having all their awakening materials + lvl 5 magia materials, but I only have 0.9 mil CC. I'm realizing how pitiful the CC drops are in most quests and I'm finding it really hard to resist buying the 50 gem mirrors set.
I don't. I don't think there is any good place to farm them in the first place. So outside of just what I get from random drops/quest completion rewards, I just buy all CC available in mirror/support/event shops and hope It'll last me until next event. Not randomly ascending all your megucas/their magias is important too, as later lvls are the main place where you spend most of your CC. Don't forget to claim your Doppel missions, cos they pretty much refund half of the mats/CC cost of unlocking girl's Doppel.
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Where do I even begin...
Given how uwasa are created, I'm not sure that Touka and Nemu actually wished to be cured - depending on their disease, merely becoming magical girls may have been enough to save them. And even if not, Touka's enough of a schemer that she could probably have cooked up a wish that would involve curing them as a side effect.
Yea, after writing that I realized that once you know the truth it's possible that wishing to be healed might actually be unnecessary, assuming that process of becoming magical girl pretty much heals you from any diseases or at least allows you to heal your body with magic.
The issue there is we don't know how Kyubey detects or prioritizes candidates, or even how Iroha met him. In most timelines, it's possible Kyubey was chasing better leads, while that pebble somehow made Iroha a more immediate prospect; Ui and friends probably weren't on the radar for whatever reason, with Iroha's wish causing Kyubey to look into them.
The way I understand it is that Iroha accidentally kicked a pebble, which in turn rolled in Kyuubey's direction and that's how they meet? I do not own Madokami, nor I watched her episode story, so I only heard about it second hand.
Why would they do that? Touka's explanation should have made it clear that they knew exactly what becoming a meguca would entail, which includes greatly strengthening their bodies, Homura never had to worry about her heart condition again after contracting, now did she?
Ok, so here is few issues I have with it. First of all, that book thing is a joke. I'm seriously supposed to believe that there exist published recollection of different experiences by different magical girls and that Touka was the first to ever notice it? And that it happened to be in Touka's father library? And when exactly did she saw it? Before going to hospital? While being hospitalized????? Ok, ignoring how stupid it is, if she knew the truth from some dumb book and not, because idk, she asked Kyuubey herself, honestly she'd be the best person to actually ask Kyuubey the details of contract, why in her right mind would she contract then knowing the truth? I assume she didn't have option since she'd die without contract and maybe she also wanted to steal secrets from Kyuubey since she does want to posses all the knowledge (another thing, how the hell exactly did she "hacked" Kyuubey's network and was stealing info from it). I get that she's genius, but I'm supposed to believe that 11 years old happened to find a book revealing all secrets about magical girls and then she somehow happened to meet Kyuubey (which she said wasn't really mentioned in book), steal data from him and figured a master plan to trick him to make contract with her so she can use it to heal herself, create system that will reject him and create a way to stop magical girls from witching out and how to spread it over entire world? And how long it took her again? I'm sorry, but while I'm ready to buy some of those things, all of this at once just sounds way too far-fetched and convenient. I'm of course aware there are probably some details that we don't know yet and once revealed they'll help it make more sense, but as it is, it sounds like incredibly convoluted mess to me.
I guess my issue is that I have writer mentality and once something piques my interest, I start think about potential it has, so often I star to build certain expectations in my head that later turns out to be completely wrong. Pretty much I start to hype myself for things that could happen, to then only be disappointed in what actually happened. I'll admit I have hard time enjoying things for what they are for some time now and that's 100% on me.
I feel you are overestimating the Incubators by a lot, why did they never appear to Homura before she met Madoka? she had the potential to contract and a health condition that while not as severe as Ui's, clearly made her life extremely miserable, why did they took so long to appear to Madoka herself? even as early as timeline 1, she fought Walpurgis to a draw(with both dead by the end), which proves that she always had very high magic power even before Homura started compounding it, and they clearly have no issues contracting very young girls, the Incubators are not omniscient nor omnipresent, the pebble likely put Iroha in their path, when she never was otherwise.
OG series is a bit unreliable about some rules, but I suppose it's actually MR fault. In anime Kyuubey says that your potential is based on your destiny points or w/e and the more you have, the bigger wish he can grant (which outside of Madoka I never felt like was actually a factor and anyone made any wish they wanted, I guess we don't really know how much energy he uses for wishes). So showing before Mami who was dying make sense and Sayaka and Madoka were originally introduced to magical girls through her. I don't think Kyouko had that much potential, so maybe she was more of a pure chance. And since magical girl potential means more energy as well, it explains why Kyuubey was so obsessed with recruiting Madoka. All of it goes out the window when you look at MR. I get that in order to getting as many megucas as possible, they had to bend some rules a bit, but the way it's presented in game, pretty much anyone can become meguca. Some girls have pretty bad past, but there's plenty of them where Kyuubey took interest them for the flimsiest of reasons. Also don't remember whose exactly, but there was mention of Kyuubey actually stalking and gathering data about potential girls 24/7. Also in anime it always seemed like there was only 1 active Kyuubey body who only got replaced when it was damaged/killed, but in game I got the impression that he used all of his bodies to look for potential magical girls, while sharing his conscious between all of them. I mean, how else can you explain that he seemingly seems to be everywhere and keep tabs on all those megucas, seemingly all at the same time. So yes, the game gave me impression Kyuubey is omniscient and omnipresent and if you hurt you finger and wish for pain to go away, he'll show up in 3 seconds flat to offer a contract.
About Homura I don't really remember her cursing her illness or feeling miserable, in fact I don't think it was ever started in anime why she was in hospital in the first place, so I can believe she wasn't high on priority list.
About Madoka killing Walpurgisnacht in first timeline. I'm not sure where you got confirmation on this, because in anime we never saw it being killed. I always thought she simply went to fight it after Mami died and ended up dying as well and what we saw was aftermath after it went away, because there was no one left to fight it and Homura was all depressed after witnessing Madoka die the pointless death.
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You guys speculating is making me want to spill out all the beans about the next few revelations... would you all be interested in me explaining what is up with Ui?
Nah. At this point I'm determinate to wait and let game finally explain itself to me.
Well, you said it yourself, she no longer exists/is remembered, but still means she did at some point, doesn't it?
I was considering mentioned that, but while it's true that Ui still existed after she was healed by Iroha, there's still a lot things confusing about timeline of events after that happens. Like when and why she contracted then exactly? If her disappearance was connected to Touka and Nemu, then did she kept in touch with them after she left hospital? Did her becoming meguca was connected to it? I was assuming it was, but then why Iroha wouldn't be involved in it. If she didn't heal Ui first, it'd make sense how all of them wished to be healed by Kyuubey and after learning truth about witches, they could try to work together against Kyuubey, but explanation how Touka learned the truth also wasn't like I was imagining it at all (and honestly sounded like a bad joke). So it seems like Touka and Nemu wished to be healed to leave hospital shortly after Ui was discharged, but then it leaves the question how Ui was exactly involved in Magius thing. Did they basically dragged her into it without her knowledge and why? There's just much things that doesn't seem to make sense when you try to put it all together in any sensible timeline.
While there is no real answer to that one. common speculation about that is that this world is by no means an accident, but rather that this particular plot thread will reveal Devil Homura's involvement into the narrative, that the entire MagiReco universe is an experiment of hers to create something that could completely replace the Law of Cycles, so that she'd never be at risk of Madoka being taken away again, since her role would no longer be necessary, while also creating this world with bare minimum influence, one pebble out of the way was all it took.
I'm not sure I buy it, especially since it sounds more like very elaborated fan theory than something they'd actually plan from the start. If they did plan it from the start I'd be impressed, but I'm seriously doubting it. But even if, my issue with the pebble thing is that it assumes that somehow Kyuubey would never appear before Iroha, someone with terminally ill sister and is desperate to heal her, to offer them contract as well as apparently before Iroha healed Ui Kyuubey never appeared before Ui as well? That Kyuubey that manages to find and stalk girls with even the most superficial problems? And if that wasn't hard enough to swallow, he also didn't appear before Touka and Nemu and let them die every time, until Iroha healed Ui? Sorry, but ignoring flimsy rules how time traveling and creating universes in Madoka works, I really can't buy that Kyuubey of all people aliens, passed on 4 potential megucas.
Apparently if you swipe close the game during a ranked match you get no points (and is still counted as a loss) and no coins unlike with losing the match where 300 points are rewarded. ?"
I'm not sure what you mean by 300 points, but in mirrors you can't reset. If you close game during it, it's counted as lost (to prevent you from savescuming). That's how you can lose to even lvl 1 meguca, if you get disconnected before match finishes.
EDIT/ Ok I think I got what you mean. I was sure even if you lose by closing game, you still get the smaller amount of coins. If you get nothing, then I guess I didn't notice before.
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That is confusing though, because she disappeared after Iroha's wish. Why would Ui getting better lead to all of these events? And if Ui is Eve directly, that would mean she would have had to become a magical girl first, how could she have contracted with Kyubey when in that timeline she no longer exists/is remembered? It seems more and more convoluted. Oh that also begs the question of why Iroha remembered her after picking up the little Kyubey. There's also the question of what the little Kyubey is for that matter.
Oh yea I forgot there's all that mess too. There's just so many contradictory information, I'm not even trying to wrap my head around it anymore. It's nearly impossible to put it all together. And that's not even taking into account the twist that apparently they already started coming up with Rumors in hospital and Iroha even created some of them, so she should have recognize them. So convent she only remembered about it when we were almost done with Rumors anyway. I honestly didn't like it. Not to mention the fact Homura's and Madokami's episode stories explains how this universe came to be (so good luck if you never rolled for those) and reveals that that's the one and only timeline where Iroha even contracted and it was by pure accident try make this one make sense. Honestly sometimes I feel like story would actually be better if the twist was that Ui never existed and Iroha was planted with false memories. It'd make perfect sense as it could be Kyuubey's attempt to make her fight against Magius, so he can regain control of Kamihama and stop them from overthrowing him.
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Oh sure, cos Kuro losing fights is kinda her entire purpose, so it's kinda weird calling her useless for doing that xD
Yea, that's something I don't think most people think of appreciating. Thanks to the way OG animu works we never really see Madoka acting like actual magical girl, so the fact we get to experience it properly in game is actually really nice.
Okay so, here's the real reason the Yachiyo vs Mami fight happened... because people wanted it
Oh don't get me wrong. I knew that was part of the reason. I mean I even commented in the anime thread that as much as that scene didn't made sense, it still is awesome idea and I'd want to see it animated. Still we easily could get it and the proper conclusion if you handled story properly.
I will say it makes sense, and it is frankly while there is nothing that foreshadows "Eve is Ui", there is a very big piece of foreshadowing to "Ui is involved with the Magius", where in chapter 5, Ai says that "as an Uwasa", she knew Ui, the big twist is the nature of the involvement.
Oh I don't doubt (in fact I hope that) it makes sense. Actually I knew Ui is involved with Magius since the prologue of the game (that's why I'm conficled whatever omitting it in manga/anime was good, because it build more mystery, or bad, because it removed information that any game player would have). In prologue we see Ui giving the "can be saved" speech to Homura, which at the time I thought will be entire hook of the game (I could rant about my mixed feeling how Homura's involvement was handled), so we as players knew that Ui is connected to Magius in some way. Later when we learned her existence was erased and Rumors were introduced, I started connecting dots that consensually or not, Touka and Nemu turned Ui into Rumor, similar way Tsuruno, Mami and Alina were fused with one, but Ui's seems to be permanent and cost of it was erasing her from existence. My suspicious were confirmed when Ai (that conversation is another whole rant) said she knows Ui, but as Rumor. So it was pretty clearly that Ui was turned into some Rumor that purpose is gathering magical girls in Kamihama (at first it seemed like just any magical girls, but then later it was said that Magius supposedly only recruit girls who know the truth, so maybe she only appears to them? Like why she only appeared before Homura?). As soon as we saw Eve in chapel, I figured she was responsible for Doppel effect, but I still thought she and Ui were 2 separate things. Ui was a Rumor to gather magical girls in Kamihama, to recruit them to their cause and Eve was the way they would reach salvation. So when it was suddenly revealed that Eve is Ui, I'm not sure how that works anymore, because it'd suddenly imply Eve has like 2, maybe 3 purposes? She handles Doppel effect and also gives girl's dreams about Ui to lure them into Kamihama? She was deliberately stated to be a witch and not Rumor, so her having that kind of power seems kinda contradictory. Also rumors don't change and have 1 set in stone purpose so Ui could only always lure girls into Kamihama, but I guess once they'd hatch Eve and spreed Doppel over the world, it'd become irrelevant as they no longer need to recruit people. In general I kinda feel like that was always my issue with this story mystery. There are hints for it, but they're so far spread and often seemingly forgotten it barely works as mystery and there are some redherrings/dropped points too. I personally can't decided if it's actually good or not. So yes, I was trying to piece that clusterfuck since day 1 and the further we go into story, the less sense it makes to me, so I'm seriously waiting for some damn explanation already. I had few spoilers for ending and was always under the impression that ultimately Iroha will find Ui and rescue her or whatever (especially since her meguca form will be added to the game), but now that she was turned(?) into some abomination I'm honestly not sure if it's possible anymore. On one hand, if Ui is pretty much dead it's sad, but fitting with Madoka tone (and kind of people Magius are), but on the other hand, man it's fucked up and I'd feel bad if Iroha won't be able to save Ui.
Kuro's so useless... I just threw a few pvp matches by making a team composed of just Kuro and nobody else and went into a ranked battle. She sure did get stomped under Alina's boot super quick.
Em, did you expect her to do anything other than lose? Especially when you used only her against mirror teams?
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as chapter 8 only works as well as it does because this is a gacha, and we were already introduced to most characters appearing in the chapter in earlier stories or events, so they don't have to spend any time introducing them there,
True, though of course it assumes you own all those girls and/or read their episode stories. For example Rika's conversation with Ren doesn't make much sense when you don't know Rika's story and you won't realize the brilliant role switch unless you read Ren's story. On that note I was really annoyed that while they were showcasing all those characters, we never got to see Mito, Seika and Leila and when they did finally show up, it was only blink and you'll miss it 1 scene without any dialogue. I was really disappointed by that, because Seika is my spiritual animal.
one particular detail I stood out with myself is that when you meet Masara, she is very visibly angry, and since I already knew the character well enough, my first thought was "Wait, shit, is Kokoro okay?" since Masara so rarely displays emotion, and then then that turns out to be the exact issue in that scene.
Yea, I noticed it too. I was like "Wow, Masara is actually pissed off."
My issue consistently been when I doze off and forget to Connect at all, and I am left with staring at the result screen and only thinking "...wait."
Hahah xD Honestly, the "connect" thing might seem to be easy enough at first, but when you play it with 5 meguca team (like I do) to farm their episode lvls, it can be often pretty hard to connect, if you're not careful and kinda makes first time auto option useless, when you can't just let AI do the job (since AI sucks so much).
Though I agree there is a difficulty spike even if it is by no means out of hand to me, chapters 8 and 9 are notably harder than chapter 7, and some fights were legitimately tricky when i was clearing Challenge mode.
Only fights I felt were any harder were the ones against all 3 magius and it was only "I didn't one shot them with 1 Puella Combo". I finally started doing challenges (had never time to do it, thanks to NA temp, only recently finished all episode stories, for that same reason) and I'm at chapter 3 or 4 and so far I just let auto do the job and didn't feel especially "challenged". I was honestly sure they'll be really hard from first quest...
Had to replay some fights, because her megucas killed enemies before she could connect Y-Yes
That was only me chapter 6 and below. XD
During first fight against Queen Bear I had 1 slot Momoko with bond memoria and her Puella charge combo dealt barely any dmg. So I was like "wow finally something harder". Next turn I got blast Puella combo on 4 slot Nanaka, so I used both Yachiyo memoria and Kyouko memoria (max lvl and limit), thinking she should do decent damage with that. She killed it...
Chapter 6: this chapter proved to me that that IroYa is canon.
I mean. Iroha pretty much proposed marriage to Yachiyo, saying she'll stay with her forever so...
Chapter 7: Tsuruno finally having a place she could relax. How her having a blank face became a plot point/expanded on was something I liked, just cause I'd never thought of it that way before.
Yea. I didn't expect it either. I just assumed it was because she was brainwashed, so when it turned out it was actually her relaxed face it was a unexpected twist.
Chapter 7's map layout was clever and really gave a sense of reality to the city, fleshing it out.
While the usage of map was nice, what killed it for me was the insanely slow pace they were releasing those at. Normally 1 episode has like 6-9 parts, so releasing 2 at the time was fine, but here they had 1-2 missions and they still were releasing them only 2 at the time so it made it really drag for me. Releasing chapter 8 and 9 in 2 parts fixed this issue for me.
Chapter 8: Chapter 8 was so tedious honestly, that was my least favorite chapter to play through because there were so many battles
I mean. Every mission has a fight, whatever it's related to story or a random one. I think you felt that, because we were fighting zombie Feathers for like 90% story and they actually were a bit harder than usually spamming annoying skills every turn and it was 3 waves of them so the repetition is probably what made it feel tedious. I know it made me feel so.
, and the story was mostly about setting them up to all get dragged into the conflict or lines about them fighting.
I personally liked it specifically, because it stopped being just Yachiyo team vs Magius and everyone got dragged into it. Also seeing other megucas interact with the cast was half the fun of this chapter. Second half was seeing them react to the truth, and while they didn't go into it nearly as hard as I hoped they would, they still delivered for the most part.
Also I didn't fully get how Yachiyo got through to Mami. I don't actually get what they connected on, so that part wasn't fully believable.
Because she didn't. She simply used all her strength and forcefully separated Mami from Rumor, when their magic clashed. Mami's true feelings only poured into her after that and she finally understood what Mami was going through. So it completely disregarded everything that was established when fighting Tsuruno and how you need to really understand other person in order to separate them from Rumor and how simply brute-forcing it won't work. That's why I was incredibly disappointed with that resolution, because after Tsuruno, I was sure they were setting it up for Madoka and co. to be the ones to fight Mami and free her. If I was rewriting the story, that'd be the first thing I'd changed.
Chapter 9: Mifuyu sacrificing all her power and potentially life to destroy the Uwasa, only for that to be what the Magius wanted, was quite tragic.
I was honestly surprised with it, because one thing that I accepted every since I started playing MR is that nobody will ever die, because they can't, because it's gacha game. I'm honestly curious how they'll handle it, but i'm feeling some bs coming and Mitama will fix her gem or something.
Ui being revealed as Eve was wtf.
This one confused me so much, because it doesn't make any sense based on what we know and how I thought they're going to handle it, so until we'll get explanation on that, I'm going to hold back on commenting on it.
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Staff can regulate but that won’t stop the occasional reader from believing the tag doesn’t belong.
I mean, if tag Yuri is anything to go by...
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By the way, are we supposed to be talking about Magia Record doujin in here or does that not matter? XD
Technically it's thread for doujinshi related discussion, not anime or game, but since the one shadesofgreymoon made before didn't take off and I don't think we're bothering anyone, especially since outside of discussing parings I guess, nobody really comments on actual doujinshi tags, I think it's fine. It's a whole lot better than having wall of text discussions under images, that's for sure.
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I've seen people say the story's not as good as the original, and I had moments too where I was wondering when they'd get to the next plot point already or "the amount of fighting they're doing is ridiculous" or whatever, but overall, I like the main direction it's going in.
I have a lot to say about story and have some issues with it, but overall I actually really like the general take on it. I think it's very underrated, especially now thanks to anime butchering it completely.
The difficulty spike during the boss battles was a nice touch. If I hadn't used a bunch of whale supports, I would have had no chance of clearing those battles with my current team.
Had to replay some fights, because her megucas killed enemies before she could connect Y-Yes
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Some people might be familiar with the artist of this manga too hehe https://dynasty-scans.com/authors/dicca_suemitsu
Oh nice. I remember Reversible was pretty good. Thanks for recommendation, I'll give it a shot.
If we're on topic of Isekais and Gender Benders.
It's tagged as yuri and starts promising, but later took a turn into direction I didn't really like and I stopped reading it so can't guarantee anything https://mangadex.org/title/21828/tensei-kyuuketsuki-san-wa-ohirune-ga-shitai
Also no clue about quality in general, because I only checked first chapter, but here is rare Isekai with female protagonist https://mangadex.org/title/36246/dad-is-a-hero-mom-is-a-spirit-i-m-a-reincarnator
So this maiden thing, is that the term that the older girls use to pick a clueless virgin girl in order to deflower her? I seem to get that feeling. What a bunch of asholes if that happens to be the case.