I sort of knew this was going to happen, y'know the title being "happy end". Only a definitive, healthy, normal, het relationship could be a happy end, you freaks just don't get it.

This is obviously a joke

Im not really sure how to feel...Combined merriage, with a so young girl is really terrible for me, the girl cannot even enjoy her youth :(

Well it's not like she can enjoy her youth anyway, the sun is her enemy. She cannot have many of the normal experiences someone might have, same for socializing.

She can only survived in a very protective cage.

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I'm not sure what to think about this manga being a number 1 NY times best seller...

People love animals, that's what you should think.

Okay now that was yuri okay?! Y-U-R-I ! not glasses, no nothing just yuri >:V and cute and perv and I love it. Make this the end... Don't add more drama pls :( not more het drama

Well, the groping was a gag you see in manga a lot so not necessarily yuri on its own, but the talking about her feelings towards Ran that preceded it? Yeah, that changes the context a lot.

That's still bait in some cases, I can say those things about a friend I know.

Although that whole bit of not being lonely is important it's not unique to lovers. For example, after college and getting my first job and all I shared an apartment with another guy. I wasn't lonely at all and didn't actively need a girl, we just talk vidya games and stuff.

TL;DR More bait, I won't bite until I see something really tangible.

I disagree with the 4 previous comments, while it's not a "Yeah KISSSSSSSSSSU" end or anything like that. It feels like those two talked heart to heart for the first time in a long time.

And that's something more precious than one would think.

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Working outside comfort zone also yields mixed result, just like every "action scene" by shoujo mangaka. These past few years there's been a lot of Historical/adventure/fantasy shoujo series that are still ongoing and every time I see a fight scene I can totally see these mangaka have never done any work when it comes to movement and such, everything is so static. Worst "sword fights" ever!

Well yeah, most shoujo turns me off not because of the story much of the time but because the art's so incredibly stiff. Naoko Takeuchi was actually pretty good (and got better as she went along) at action, although having a shounen manga author as a husband probably helped. But much of the rest, I'm like do you even know what a line of action is? Do you even anatomy, bro?

Yeah, it's all very stiff. Speaking of Naoko and anatomy, she's like... the worse offender right along CLAMP when it comes to that. Fingers, hands, legs... All can be as long as my person sometimes I swear to god.

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Especially her brother.

Man if that brother doesn't get punched in the face once by the end of this, I'm gonna riot. >:U

I don't know, him getting punched another time is not going to solved his problem. Although I suspect readers just want to see him eat one instead of wishing for his rehabilitation.

Also... this chapter, double-jointed is an umbrella term and there's different degree of flexibility here. Not every double-jointed individuals can do what she has done, also it's not pain free.

Furthermore, while it might seem cool at first for MMA and other things like that. All in all the cons outweigh the pros when it comes to individuals with hypermobility.

That and the very real possibility of permanent damage, because although you can do these things, more often than not someone who can do these things will not understand just how much damage he or she is doing to his or her body in the long run.

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Well, most harem dudes I've seen really don't have anything of value to them. Only exceptions that come immediately to mind are Tenchi who's genuinely nice and does become more than that, and Negima, who's pretty damn impressive even from the start. But then, both stray into adventure rather than remaining pure harem.

It didn't used to be this way, but the shounen genre harem/comedy sub-genre evolved like that, now pretty much everything is beta MC. It's funny because everytime a MC is half-competent and uses his brain and applies logic the comments on forums are all "I like this MC, omfg this is revolutionary!!!!1Shift11!!!".

It takes a pretty in-depth knowledge of anatomy to really pull off a variety of types. It's a bit easier in cartooning when you can work with simple shapes more, but with realistic figures you have to work a bit more. I can't remember who said it (Mike Matessi, maybe?), but the idea is you draw a generic head or arm or torso or whatever over and over again until you've mastered it, and that knowledge allows you to then draw specific heads at will.

To be honest, a lot of fanartists don't really go through that repetitive training stage. Which isn't necessarily bad since fanart is about enjoying and sharing the love, rather than being a detailed illustrator. However, it does get difficult to work outside your comfort zone, whether that's focusing on males or females, beefy types or waifs.

Very true that drawing over and over will make it easier, just look at Takemiya Jin or artists that recycle character designs. They do it because it saves them time, they can do it their eyes closed.

Working outside comfort zone also yields mixed result, just like every "action scene" by shoujo mangaka. These past few years there's been a lot of Historical/adventure/fantasy shoujo series that are still ongoing and every time I see a fight scene I can totally see these mangaka have never done any work when it comes to movement and such, everything is so static. Worst "sword fights" ever!

This is pretty much where harems all fall apart: what reason do these girls actually have for being attracted to essentially a piece of cardboard?

If you're looking for realism in entertainment, you're going to have a bad time.

Not so much realism as suspension of disbelief... and I too have a hard time suspending that when the MC has all the personality of a wet noodle. I suppose they do this so the male watchers can insert themselves into the MC. But at the same time those of us who aren't trying to do self-insertion it makes the character look boring and flat.

I'm a guy and even I'm getting, actually I've been tired for a few years already, of the Beta-to-the-max type MCs in shounen/harem/(insert anything) manga/LN scene. The ones where the male MC actually kick ass is so far in between, although there's been a surge this last 2 years it's still not enough to counter balance the weak MC galore.

It didn't used to be this way... I blame it all on you Shinji, you ruined everything.

This would be ideal. And also provide a good explanation for why harem guys are so blind to the advances of multiple attractive women

Well can you blame them? They're average joes, why would these girls be interested in them? Sort of like how girls tell themselves no guys want them because they feel they aren't beautiful enough.

the same applies here, that guy believes he has nothing of value so why would girls be interested in him?

Reading yuri manga from the likes of Takemiya, Shuninta, Fujio made me realize that it's not unusual to focus solely on drawing girls,,, I always thought I was a bad artist because that's all I draw. I can draw guys but... they usually look kinda feminine or sometimes they just look like meatheads lol.

It's funny that a lot of artist in general have issues drawing believable boy/men. You'd think because they are flat as board and have no curves it would make everything easy starting with clothing, but it almost feels like it's so simple that it becomes hard. Y'know what I mean?

I don't see why they should stop, they are on-topic. The only thing is that their tone is a little more harsh but nothing too extreme at all.

and when you say "change rarely happens because you want it" I imagine you are talking about outside/uncontrollable factors, the change me and fipse are talking about is your reaction to those factors. you can control your reaction, and your reaction should be something you are comfortable with

This a dangerous train of thought, if someone is comfortable in being a horrible human being, he should stay this way?
I guess some people are irredeemable.

you grow as a person when you look at a situation and say "hey, I was wrong" not when you look at a situation and say "hey, the world thinks I am wrong". the latter reasoning is stupid and harmful.

The second reasoning is not always bad, many discoveries and success stories were based on the fact this single person believed he was right when everyone thought he was wrong.

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Headache coming... Even though I don't mind futanari now.. This is still hard to take in..

You worded it that way on purpose, didn't you?

Hah!

Erase my memory.......!I saw NOTHING...absolutely nothinG
Horse dick are sick....real ones aren't like that are they?

Horse cocks are LOOOOOONG, do not go near. They are also very serious health hazard, just google "men/women died of internal bleeding after having sex with a horse".

That might be true for English-speaking countries, but internationally, translated English is more often American than British.
That's especially true for Japan with their influence from US.

This is what happens when you're the reigning superpower, everyone is your bitch.

I can understand why that would suck a lot Thiron. More often than not scanlators stop doing their work when things get licensed by CR. I have no issues continuing to read them since I'm from Canada but for many parts of the world this means you won't be able to see content anymore.

( sigh ) in many cases, there is no such thing as 1 favorite mangaka. Like Nezchan said, there are clusters of favorites. in my case, I have several favorite for each genre and sub-genre.

I agree, as you get older the amount of data you have gets longer and longer. All these "what's your favourite song/movie/book" questions are mostly unanswerable.

TL;DR of the entire discussion:

Some lesbians don't like phallic toys, some don't like any kind of toys, and some do like em. (in porn, or their own activities)
Some dudes like to see toys in lesbian action, some don't.

It's about taste, what I like and what I don't. Everybody is different...
That felt corny

You're right, but it stands to reason that statistically wise groups of individuals would be more prone to be for or against toys. What we enlightened ( pfft ) individuals are doing here is speculating on the matter. Everyone loves speculating, all the way to wall street!

Truth be told we'd require some data to go with our hypothesis ( like a poll ) but alas this cannot be.

TL ; DR We can't stop ourself from wanting to go deeper!

Edit: Just notice this last sentence is sort of... yea

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fair enough . .

i remember this happen to me back then, this girl wanted to get close to me and slept with my friends who i often hangout with.. by the time i realized it and by her confession .. it was already too late and so foolish of her.. the idea is that my friends told her that they can hook her up with me and told her that i'll notice her if she slept with them. .

Anything to get laid, eh?

Interestingly, my earlier comments about "pure yuri" weren't tied to the reader's gender at all. I can see how it would make sense though, but I don't think it's a 100% correlation.

and it isn't. why did i ask the question?

Well, because there is to some degree. Especially those mainly in it for the porn. It's a pretty common effect that lesbian porn is attractive to men not only for the "you're the third in this threesome" aspect, but for "porn without dicks" as well. No reason to think it shouldn't apply to drawn porn as well.

Well some people in this thread are lesbians and have spoken out towards the evil phallic objects. Which I can totally see why, genitals aren't really objectively beautiful or anything so if the thing in question belongs to the sex you don't want to go to bed with I can understand a certain distaste for it.

I'd say you'd be wrong that those ( guys ) who are in it mainly for the porn would find dicks uninteresting. Men who read yuri manga which is NSFW probably also read other H-mangas which would feature a wide variety of content which can include futa. I think, on the contrary, that it's guys who aren't in it for the porn that would feel less comfortable with toys because "m-muh purity!". They want the white lilies.

I could be wrong because I'm basing this logic on myself and I aren't every single guy you'll see, but that would make the most sense to me.

If one is can read and not flinch at all these evil "non-vanilla" tags on sadpanda then I think they can handle a few toys.

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And I like reading both het and yuri equally. I tried giving yaoi a shot but it just didn't do it for me. Anyone who can read all the three (yaoi, het, yuri) genres and like them equally?

I can enjoy all genres/demographic if the quality is there. The issue is that with the sheer volume of series you're more than likely to stumble upon things you do not enjoy even if you ask people about potential "good" series ( most people's opinion is garbage ).

A single exception that I can't stand is Harlequin romances in manga form, but that's not the mangakas fault, the original content is teh sux.

The only acceptable harem is Negima, mostly because he's not actually involved with any of them, nor is he interested.

Then how do you explain UQ Holder! ? Kind of hard to have a grandkid without being "involved" with someone at some point.

Yea ..sounds like the author wanted the whole "move away" thing for drama

But then got a diffrent idea and went with this to stop it. But why the mom !?

Because in manga parents are most likely candidate for unforeseen deaths... The japanese cold is just the most deadly thing known to mankind, you think this Ebola crap in Africa is something to worry about? Heh fools...

A cold? ..My god, its serious. I hope they find a cure

IKR

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/88b7d29be4cd.jpg

Yea ..sounds like the author wanted the whole "move away" thing for drama

But then got a diffrent idea and went with this to stop it. But why the mom !?

Because in manga parents are most likely candidate for unforeseen deaths... The japanese cold is just the most deadly thing known to mankind, you think this Ebola crap in Africa is something to worry about? Heh fools...

Nakamura Asumiko art is unique to her and that's always something fun. She mainly does yaoi but has a bit of everything, and her art really comes together because she does unorthodox stuff, I really like it when she does horror, creepy stories it amplifies everything.

I highly recommend you try some of her titles.
https://www.mangaupdates.com/authors.html?id=1522

I can't into yaoi 'cause i really despise the cliches of the genre, my body shudders every time i listen to something related to uke or seme
Stuff like the Nº 6 anime is kinda cool, but even if they were all like that it still wouldn't seduce me like some hets manages to, dude on dude simply doesn't appease me as a whole unless it's Terra x Master Xehanort, they both are clearly made for each other

Uke X Seme dynamic is straight from shoujo tropes, not surprising since it's women drawing for the same demographic.

If you take the classic shy/plain girl in shoujo with her grade perfect/sporty/popular love interest and you just cut the girl's hair and give her a penis you'll come to understand it's very close to the same story in term of characterization.